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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    But only so much can be done. They also have to be willing to help themselves too. They can't just come out the army and expect to have everything handed to them on a plate.
    The army barely gives them any quals that are of value in civi street. They leave with just a lvl4 nvq in something really specific like avionics which has a tiny job market and the chances for there being vacancies available is slim. As soon as you leave you're put back to square one. As if you've just left college and you're 18 years old. Imagine working in a highly respectable field and being a highly respected soldier with rank and then being thrown in the deep end with nothing to show for it. I'm sorry but that's the reality. So many people leave the army with ptsd, substance abuse problems because their mental health is f'ed, how are they able to get into work straight away while having to deal with night terrors and depression.

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    (Original post by abruiseonthesky)
    They chose the job. They weren't forced into it. Why should they be exempt from tax just because of their career choice?
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    To suggest that people only join because they want to kill people is moronic, a lie and one I'll happily call out all day long.

    Not one of my friends - nor myself - who all joined up ever did so for that reason.

    Your bs conspiracy about oil just marks you out as another pseudo-intellectual trying to mark you out as some kind of superior species, when all it does is mark you out as a bit of a tosser.
    The war for oil lie has been totally debunked.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...r_for_oil.html
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    (Original post by AmazingArry)
    The army barely gives them any quals that are of value in civi street.
    But you're ignoring - or simply unaware of - the huge mechanism of learning credits that goes on begins the scenes that mean anybody could study for anything from GCSEs to post graduate degrees while still serving. They'll give you money, they'll give you time off, they'll bends over backwards - where possible - to help set you up for whatever you want to do.
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    (Original post by AmazingArry)
    The army barely gives them any quals that are of value in civi street. They leave with just a lvl4 nvq in something really specific like avionics which has a tiny job market and the chances for there being vacancies available is slim. As soon as you leave you're put back to square one. As if you've just left college and you're 18 years old. Imagine working in a highly respectable field and being a highly respected soldier with rank and then being thrown in the deep end with nothing to show for it. I'm sorry but that's the reality. So many people leave the army with ptsd, substance abuse problems because their mental health is f'ed, how are they able to get into work straight away while having to deal with night terrors and depression.

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    I have no plans to go in the army, but I doubt this is true. You probably learn better so called soft-skills of teamwork and communication than you do from most undergraduate degrees.

    Also you can get army bursaries to study a degree afterwards. Like I said it's not something I would be interested in personally, but unless the other candidate had a specific reason as to why he/she was more qualified (say it was a specialised job in mathematics/science/law) I would take a guy who has just left the forces over someone with a generic degree like history or English.
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    I don't think anyone should pay tax but hey who's going to listen to me, you're all controlled by the media to think we're paying them back for something.
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    (Original post by **** Diamonds)
    I have no plans to go in the army, but I doubt this is true. You probably learn better so called soft-skills of teamwork and communication than you do from most undergraduate degrees.

    Also you can get army bursaries to study a degree afterwards. Like I said it's not something I would be interested in personally, but unless the other candidate had a specific reason as to why he/she was more qualified (say it was a specialised job in mathematics/science/law) I would take a guy who has just left the forces over someone with a generic degree like history or English.
    Some big companies do prefer ex forces or reservists than a civilian applicant e.g national grid, virgin media, capita but they're all tech based so if someone didn't have a technology or science based trade then their chances are slimmer. Infantry personell sometimes go and do PTI courses so they can become personal trainers after leaving. But still there should be more done for ex forces because only the minority accepts them as highly skilled workers because they don't have the quals for it.

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    Whilst I have huge respect for all branches of the armed forces i still think they should pay tax
    Personnel already get a reduced rate of income tax which is around £4 a month ( according to the booklet I have )
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    (Original post by AmazingArry)
    The army barely gives them any quals that are of value in civi street. They leave with just a lvl4 nvq in something really specific like avionics which has a tiny job market and the chances for there being vacancies available is slim. As soon as you leave you're put back to square one. As if you've just left college and you're 18 years old. Imagine working in a highly respectable field and being a highly respected soldier with rank and then being thrown in the deep end with nothing to show for it. I'm sorry but that's the reality. So many people leave the army with ptsd, substance abuse problems because their mental health is f'ed, how are they able to get into work straight away while having to deal with night terrors and depression.

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    Transferable skills?
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Transferable skills?
    I guess but not many people even get to the interview stage to elaborate in their transferable skills
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    But you're ignoring - or simply unaware of - the huge mechanism of learning credits that goes on begins the scenes that mean anybody could study for anything from GCSEs to post graduate degrees while still serving. They'll give you money, they'll give you time off, they'll bends over backwards - where possible - to help set you up for whatever you want to do.
    The degrees you can only get if you're planning on doing a full service e.g. yeoman of signals- you get a bsc in signal engineering, or if you're in the int corp you can do a degree in intelligence. Unless you use your training allowance to do an open uni course while you're in service then that's up to you but the allowance doesnt even cover the costs of one 30 cred module and you're supposed to cover 120 credits for each semester.

    As far as I know, the army will bend over backwards more for competetive sport than education courses.
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    (Original post by GeologyMaths)
    end of convo; if you work you pay tax
    (Original post by Drewski)
    *if you earn over the threshold.
    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    I think the glorification of the armed forces is wrong, leave that to the Americans. Being exempt from tax on the basis of career choice is frankly preposterous
    (Original post by NiamhGibson)
    I feel as though soldiers themselves may not be accepting of this. They choose to do their job and are proud to do so, they do not need any negative stigma for not paying taxes. The whole of the UK are aware that no matter what job you choose, you will pay taxes, they may not go into that career if they did not agree with the amount of taxes paid. However, I agree that soldiers do deserve benefits of some description as what they do for our country is absolutely priceless and I have so much admiration for them.
    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    liberal democracies feature a philosophy of a military composed of "citizen soldiers" - if you say that they ought to not be taxed then you create an elite and a sub-group. nobody should be privileged for no or bad reason(s) - soldiers aren't royalty. they are those in society that are most effective in that position. there will always be those that want to get paid to be soldiers. they aren't special, but they're not worthless either.
    (Original post by ikhan94)
    Every job has to pay tax, its only fair...
    The Op may have not put much thought into this, but there is some precedent for this in the United States at least. Any member of the U.S. armed forces receives tax exempt status while serving in a designated combat zone (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.). The temporary tax exemption can be a huge benefit.

    An interesting suggestion is the one to provide a permanent tax exclusion to combat veterans or wounded warriors. Most members of the armed forces never see actual combat. The amount who fall into this category is quite small. It isn't reasonable to offer a lifetime tax exempt status to every soldier who chooses to serve. However, a valid argument can be made that the veterans who have been exposed to combat and suffered the consequences as a result have made a greater sacrifice than other categories of public servant.

    I don't think it would be a suitable policy though. A life time tax exempt status would be a massive benefit allowing beneficiaries to leverage millions of additional dollars/pounds out of their financial potential. Essentially it would make being in combat comparable to winning the lottery in financial terms. Providing that kind of incentive could potentially compromise the tactical decisions made by commanders.
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    (Original post by ckingalt)
    The Op may have not put much thought into this, but there is some precedent for this in the United States at least. Any member of the U.S. armed forces receives tax exempt status while serving in a designated combat zone (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan etc.). The temporary tax exemption can be a huge benefit.
    That's the same in the UK.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Well obviously yea but why increase anything at all or give a tax break?

    They are laying people off and there is no shortage of people outside of specialist positions to fill


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    Yep, fair point. First we need to establish whether there's any need to increase their take home pay at all.

    I'm just curious why the OP would rather do this via a tax exemption rather than the more common salary increase.
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    (Original post by daveGIS)
    It's not even a conspiracy. How do you feel about being lied to about Iraq or did you find a whole load of WMD's over there I wasn't aware of? I bet if they do ever release Chilcot it'll all just be a big misunderstanding? Maybe you have an alternate explanation? This was era I was about to sign my signature so absolutely I've got an opinion. The media frenzy was lapping up false intelligence and driving us on to despicable war so if you don't like it I don't really care. Maybe you should look Iraq up in the National Library Archive (does that sound like a conspiracy site?) and educate yourself on it's history with the British. All this ISIS crap we see now? Chickens coming home to roost my friend. Don't kid yourself.
    Why is it the first thing conspiracy theorists say to people who disagree with them is "educate yourself", when quite often the opposition is usually more qualified to speak on the subject than the conspiracy theorists themselves?

    Do you even know his level of education? What's your level?
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    (Original post by daveGIS)
    People become soldiers essentially because they like the idea of killing and being shot at. They do so to serve a twisted political elite who bring nothing but pain to the world. The days of serving your country are long gone. I have no sympathy personally. You get what you sign up for. Sorry if that offends anyone.
    I actually joined up to eat children and perform experiments on disabled people with LSD. You also forgot to mention that all soldiers joined because they are criminals and failed their education. Oh and don't forget the officers, they're all in it for the money and are members of the aristocracy.

    Did you know, I have tea with the Queen every other Thursday? She's actually planning on naming one of her dogs after me.
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    I personally think that they should be given passes that entitles them to buy absolutely anything from absolutely any shop they want, for absolutely free! :yep:

    Well worth losing a limb for in my opinion. :yep:
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    (Original post by The Genghis Khan)
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    lmao why
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCoper)
    I personally think that they should be given passes that entitles them to buy absolutely anything from absolutely any shop they want, for absolutely free! :yep:

    Well worth losing a limb for in my opinion. :yep:
    In some areas with bases close by they give discounts to soldiers and free travel not just for sanctioned leave.

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