Huge rise in refugee arrivals in Europe in January

Which 'safe' country are you talking about. What determines safety? Like Turkey is safe in the sense that they aren't getting bombed every day and killed or tortured by either Assad's regime or ISIS but they are persecuted there.

The problem is Germany said they would welcome them and there would be refuge and safety there, so why wouldn't the majority of them go there?

The issue is not the intentions of the majority of refugees- the issue is working out a process to ensure the genuine an innocent refugees are rehoused and given safety.

The fact that most of the refugees are men is obvious. Because there is no safe process in place for them to make the difficult crossing- so they do it on their own and then hope to bring their wives and children over legally ASAP. If Europe committed to processing this all properly, including making the trip to Europe 'safer' and not so expensive and susceptible to people ripping the refugees off, then we would see a lot more women and children.

I just think the fact that some of the bad sh*t going down is making us all so het up about all refugees and all muslims is a shame and I wish that Germany would have handled it better so that everyone wasn't jumping on this anti-refugee bandwagon because it plays into the hands of ISIS.

The ones who have integrated and respected European laws aren't seen as terrorists and rapists. It's the ones who have assaulted and raped women in Europe after claiming to be refugees.


If there really wasn't a significant number of migrants then it wouldn't be called a "migrant" crisis. Look up the stats yourself.

I'm not sure what a sustainable solution is

Plenty of local refugee camps.



Irrelevant. Doesn't make them any less economic migrants by following the cries of Germany.



It doesnt help when a minority of them are ignoring the local camps and instead risking their lives to get to Europe



Great



I wish Germany hadn't invited them all over. I wish the minority attempting to come to Europe instead followed the majority into the actual local refugee camps. I wish those young fighting aged males/females capable of fighting actually picked a side in the civil war and fought for their own country.

Only admit women and children. Men can stay in refugee camps around Syria.

I've looked and can't find any which is why I'm not making sweeping statements like 'they're all economic migrants not refugees'. The fact you said that led me to ask you for something to back it up and you have nothing. That's not really my problem.

Refugees are technically migrants. So are people that leave England and move to Australia. But they are not economic migrants. Just because something is called 'the migrant crisis' does not mean they're all economic migrants.

I don't think the assault of women and being refugees is mutually exclusive as you suggest. I think there are a lot of reasons why genuine refugees might end up raping women and it's not because they aren't refugees. Some white British men rape women. Women get raped by men a lot. I think the majority of them who are doing these types of things aren't genuine refugees though, but it doesn't mean that none of them are or that raping means you can't be a genuine refugee.

Yes there are local refugee camps but if a European country is promising you safety and a new life wtf would you do?!! Just because some refugees have been attracted by that promise it doesn't make them economic migrants

It just means they want the life they used to have back. Syria was a wonderful place before all this sh*t went down. If you were a doctor and had a family and lived in a new house would you want to stay in a camp or potentially go to Europe, set up a new life, put your children back to school and go back to working as a doctor?

I'm not saying all are migrants. I'm saying most are. Yes but those who leave England for Australia don't assault and rape women as soon as they get there do they? There's been assaults and rapes reported by migrants throughout Europe. You've had Sweden,Finland,Denmark,Switzerland and above all Germany who have had the negative effects of these migrants, mainly because they have politicians who don't listen.

What on earth makes you think these "refugees" have a justifiable reason to rape someone? Is that what you're saying?


Had the majority of these migrants/refugees been women and young children, I would've been fine with Germany letting only those two groups in. But the fact that most of the migrants have gone into Germany unchecked and most of them are fit young men who can fight against IS but have been cowardly enough to leave their families in Syria is frankly disgusting as hell and a recipe for disaster.

It absolutely does. How is it any different to wanting to go to a specific country because you heard the jobs/benefits/houses were great?



Again; irrelevant. What they want does not change their status.

I'm not saying they have JUSTIFIABLE reasons to rape. There is no justification for rape in any circumstances Im just saying that because they rape it doesn't make them NOT refugees. And I'm saying there are reasons why some previously normal people might end up committing these types of crimes when they are in Europe. I believe that is because of a lack of integration and education strategy by the European countries right now. They should be educated on women's rights and alcoholism for one.

The reason they are not women and children is because Europe isn't strategising to put in a safe method for them to travel here. they have to traverse land and sea in treacherous conditions. I think the mentality of a lot of men who come first is that they will make the journey and soon after their wife and children can join them.

I just want to see how high the incidence of rape is from the recent set of refugees or economic migrants and I want to see how many are economic migrants vs. refugees. I can't simply believe something because of biased news article and some examples of things that have happened. These are not valid reasons to form such opinions.

It is not irrelevant. If you are a refugee and you want to get out of your home country because there are bombs going off and your way of life has been unimaginably destroyed, why would you opt to go and live in a camp or going to a country that will treat you like subhumans (like they do in 'safe' countries like Turkey) when you have the option of going to a European country which is welcoming you?

If you are saying that it's irrelevant whether they are welcomed or not

Lack of integration? That's because of the backward culture they come from. Educated on women's rights? That ain't going to help my darling because their culture of misogyny has been hammered into them. They look at European women as sluts.

For god's sake haven't you heard of the Cologne incident? Mobile phones of the rapists were traced to asylum centres and then police found pieces of paper belonging to migrants with translations from Syrian Arabic to German. Charming phrases on the paper were "I want to have sex with you", "Nice breasts" and "I'll kill you". My sister can confirm that one because she had a Syrian guy who could barely speak English come up to her and say all these things when she was in Germany a couple of months back.

There's been footage of a migrant asking a woman for sex and tries to grope her and then you have that horrible stabbing in Sweden by a migrant.

it's not sustainable but I'm not sure what a sustainable solution is

Keeping them out, by any means possible.

So I imagine that ISIS' reaction to Germany's benevolence was to disguise a load of their brainwashed young fit men amongst the genuine refugees to cause havoc in Europe, rape women, and to make everyone scared of any refugees and make their life hell in Europe

I've never said all of them. But the majority of them are not genuine refugees! Stop relying on biased media and actually read what the citizens of those invaded countries are saying, and watch videos. And no, I don't mean biased, white power nazis, just ordinary people who have no reason to lie to you.

What do you think the long-term consequences of that are?

The short-term consequence is obvious- Immediate retention of safety and way of life in Europe not being threatened.

But what about in the long term?