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    Reasons for asking you that question was based solely because I wanted to find out why you thought that it contained violent and unpleasant passages, basically, making sure you weren't just talking a load of ******** although I did sound as if I was contradicting myself, I disagreed with the point that you made when you said that it was unpleasant and violent, those passages are there for a reason, the Quran certainly does not condemn killing and it never has done, your prejudice towards the passages and the religion itself is quite offensive as well, since you have to understand why those passages are there in the first place. The Quran has those passages for a reason, you will need to read more about it in depth in order to understand. I cannot stand bigotry at all but if thats your opinion then I respect it.
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    the Quran certainly does not condemn killing and it never has done
    This is the main concession, and you've made it. The rest of your post was little more than face-saving babble.
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    (Original post by luminarychild)
    Breeding hate
    That's the point wise old chap.

    If something itself is utterly disgusting in a rather fundamental manner then it must be hated up until the point that the irrational people who believe in it 'see the light' and cease to do so.

    Many times reason has been tried but reason and rational argument alone tend not to be very persuasive to the uneducated, irrational, masses.
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    It seems to me that you are more dishonest in your replies as you are just assuming that there are more disbelievers in islam than there are believers. Did you research up on this to back up what you just said? How do you know for sure that there are more disbelievers than believers in islam?
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    I hope that was a good thing lol
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    I assume you have read the Quran since you say yourself that it is full of violent and unpleasant passages. So which parts do you think are violent and unpleasant because I'd really like to know what your talking about?
    How about the bits that say apostates should be killed
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    It seems to me that you are more dishonest in your replies as you are just assuming that there are more disbelievers in islam than there are believers. Did you research up on this to back up what you just said? How do you know for sure that there are more disbelievers than believers in islam?
    I'm not assuming anything at all I am simply stating facts and yes I did research this before I posted to get the exact figures but I already knew this to be the case.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_world

    here is a pro muslim site that claim in 2030 (14 years away) muslim will make up 1\3rd of the world

    It is expected that if present rate of increase of Muslim population continues that by 2030 One out of Three person will be Muslim. .

    http://www.muslimpopulation.com/

    as I said as it stands there are more people who don't believe in Islam than there are.

    as I said you are being very dishonest in your replies and very lazy.
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    It seems to me that you are more dishonest in your replies as you are just assuming that there are more disbelievers in islam than there are believers. Did you research up on this to back up what you just said? How do you know for sure that there are more disbelievers than believers in islam?
    It would help tremendously if you could bother to quote the people you're talking to.

    Disbelievers in Islam? Surely that's a contradiction in terms? A disbeliever in Islam is, by definition, not following Islam. BaconandSauce's point was that Muslims constitute around a quarter of the world's population and that your earlier claim referring to 'a minority of disbelievers' was false because a majority of the world's population doesn't follow Islam.

    This doesn't require 'research' -- it's a simple matter of being up to date with your general knowledge, or failing that (as you have), Googling the approximate number of people in the world and then the approximate number of Muslims in the world and working out a percentage.
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    Your contradicting yourself there by saying that I haven't read the Quran, that's pretty stupid considering that I never denied violence in the first place but oh well. As for those passages, its there for a reason, as the Quran states that the disbelievers will get punished since they are simply not followers of Islam. Also, those passages don't solely reflect on the majority of people, its the minority, again.
    Wow. What a beautiful religion. Countless billions of people from the last 1400 years will be perpetually tortured and burned just because they are 'simply not followers of Islam'. What a revolting thing to believe.
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    I think the problem is the way some people (e.g ISIS) interpret Islam not Islam itself.

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    (Original post by difeo)
    How about the bits that say apostates should be killed
    doesn't say that in the Quran it's in the hadith however the tafsir for verse 5:32 by Umar ibn Kathir implies killing non Muslims is OK as the restriction only applies to muslims.

    And in the eyes of Muslims, all non-Muslims who reject Allah and Islam are “spreading corruption”(are thus enemies of Islam and cannot be innocent) and are legitimate targets to be killed. But it does imply (to Muslims) that killing another (innocent) Muslim would be synonymous to killing all mankind. (That, I believe was Muhammad’s intended meaning of that verse.)
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    (Original post by samzy21)
    I think the problem is the way some people (e.g ISIS) interpret Islam not Islam itself.

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    But if the quran says crucifying people is an acceptable punishment and ISIS crucifies someone how can this be a miss-interpretation of the quran?
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    Showing bigotry and prejudice towards the religion is quite sad really. Read up on it more, ask other people instead of assuming
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    Showing bigotry and prejudice towards the religion is quite sad really. Read up on it more, ask other people instead of assuming
    we are asking and your answers simply confirm what we know already

    But nothing wrong with hating a set of ideas and you'll find you are in the minority here as the majority of the world don't believe in Islam
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    Showing bigotry and prejudice towards the religion is quite sad really. Read up on it more, ask other people instead of assuming
    No bigotry or prejudice has been shown. Are you going to retract your blundering statements now, or are you going to insist that you were right all along and try to hide behind the classic 'you're being mean/racist/bigoted/prejudiced' dodge?
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    (Original post by Khadijah489)
    Showing bigotry and prejudice towards the religion is quite sad really. Read up on it more, ask other people instead of assuming
    You can't show bigotry and prejudice towards a belief system. That's absurd. If someone criticises aspects of Communism or Das Kapital, they're not 'being bigoted towards Communism' or 'prejudiced against Russians' or whatever. Criticising aspects of Islam or the quran is not even remotely the same thing as being prejudiced against Muslims, and the fact that you're trying to conflate them shows that you really don't have an argument here.
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    Khadijah is a troll or about 15 years old
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    (Original post by Achaea)
    Wow. What a beautiful religion. Countless billions of people from the last 1400 years will be perpetually tortured and burned just because they are 'simply not followers of Islam'. What a revolting thing to believe.
    I'm a Muslim and don't believe that the disbelievers will be punished just because they aren't Muslim. There could be a reason why God allowed there to be different religions. If someone has lived a good honest life then there is no reason for them not to be rewarded after death no matter what their beliefs are or what religion they follow or not follow. At the end of the day it is not for us humans to decide who will be punished or not, it is God's.

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    (Original post by Achaea)
    You can't show bigotry and prejudice towards a belief system. That's absurd. If someone criticises aspects of Communism or Das Kapital, they're not 'being bigoted towards Communism' or 'prejudiced against Russians' or whatever. Criticising aspects of Islam or the quran is not even remotely the same thing as being prejudiced against Muslims, and the fact that you're trying to conflate them shows that you really don't have an argument here.
    It's almost like she has a script
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    (Original post by samzy21)
    I'm a Muslim and don't believe that the disbelievers will be punished just because they aren't Muslim. There could be a reason why God allowed there to be different religions. If someone has lived a good honest life then there is no reason for them not to be rewarded after death no matter what their beliefs are or what religion they follow or not follow. At the end of the day it is not for us humans to decide who will be punished or not, it is God's.

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    I'm glad you believe that. That's a humane belief which I can totally get on board with. I'm pretty sure it's not supported by the Quran and other Islamic scripture though, unfortunately. But good for you.
 
 
 
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