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Reply 1
555555+
Reply 2
no idea, but my flatmates said around 6/7 5's. the more the merrier. (they are american)
Reply 3
drs1357, are you talking about all Group A subjects (hard sciences, languages, calculus, history, english), or about all AP's in general?
Reply 4
no idea, i shall ask them tonight.
Reply 5
r6mile
I know that the minimum offer for International Relations at LSE with AP's is 55544 at Group A subjects, but what kind of AP grades would someone need to have to actually be competitive and have a chance of getting in?


I got a conditionaL offer for IR with 5555 - french Language, french Lit, psychoLogy, caLcuLus BC

and they want me to get a 4 from european history - btw the exam was today :p:

anyway, not as competitive as it sounds, I guess... :rolleyes:
Reply 6
Yeah I just took AP Euro today... It was killer. I think I got a 4, but hoping for a 5!
Reply 7
A bit harsh that they require 5 AP's...
Reply 8
Yeah, but it's LSE. Officially, they require 5/6 AP's at grades 5/4. Just to compare, UCL requires 4 at grades 5/4. These universities know that AP's cannot be compared to A-levels, which is why they require more AP's, while all the rest consider them equivalent.
Reply 9
But wouldn't AP's be equivalent to AS exams?
Reply 10
WokSz
But wouldn't AP's be equivalent to AS exams?

No. And even if they did - you expect to get in with AS-levels?
Reply 11
UCAS has two different categories for AP's: Group A, which are full-year and require previous knowledge (calculus, english, languages, history, hard sciences), and Group B all the rest.
Based solely on the UCAS tariff, you could say that Group A subjects are roughly equivalent to A-levels, and Group B subjects are roughly equivalent to AS-levels.


I know that the UCAS tariff is mostly irrelevant for the good universities, but it's a nice way to compare them (the UCAS people must have studied these things when devising the tariff).
Reply 12
Who?
No. And even if they did - you expect to get in with AS-levels?


I'm talking about level of difficult, not the actual entrance to a University with them.
Reply 13
If you are international and you are taking an A-level in your native language (other than english), do universities consider that A-level? I am asking because if they do it for A-levels then they'll do it for APs as well for sure.
How is a 4 on the AP worse than a B on the A-Level? Given that more people take APs every year, and that the competition in the US to get into top universities is extremely fierce, I'd think you're competing against a tougher cohort. In addition to the fact that anyone applying to LSE surely has a great GPA and top SAT scores as well. The UK needs to realize it will never attract American students (i.e. full fees £££) if it's harder to get into LSE than it is to get into HPYS. Which it currently is!
Reply 15
shady lane
How is a 4 on the AP worse than a B on the A-Level? Given that more people take APs every year, and that the competition in the US to get into top universities is extremely fierce, I'd think you're competing against a tougher cohort. In addition to the fact that anyone applying to LSE surely has a great GPA and top SAT scores as well. The UK needs to realize it will never attract American students (i.e. full fees £££) if it's harder to get into LSE than it is to get into HPYS. Which it currently is!

Well, to be honest, I disagree with you here Shady. I got into Yale(the only US uni I applied to), and was advised to go to LSE over it because of much better career prospects, although I am not sure whether I made the right choice now... APs are pretty easy, if you actually understand what you are doing in A-levels, which I must admit many people in the UK do not.
Reply 16
The thing is that when you do A-levels, those are basically all the subjects you do, and everyone has to do them. APs are originally designed to give college credit, and therefore optional. You take as many as you want, and besides AP courses (if any) you usually have a lot of other classes as well. If you just compare AP material to A-level material then A-level goes more in depth yeah, but they are exams designed for different purposes. The thing is that it's the closes thing to A-levels (not counting IB) that there is in the USA, so that's what they use for admission.
Who?
Well, to be honest, I disagree with you here Shady. I got into Yale(the only US uni I applied to), and was advised to go to LSE over it because of much better career prospects, although I am not sure whether I made the right choice now... APs are pretty easy, if you actually understand what you are doing in A-levels, which I must admit many people in the UK do not.


Depends on your career. Yale is an arts stronghold--it's much better for anything in that realm, but has not so good placement in finance careers. However for an American student, Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford offer MUCH better career options across the board than LSE does in the States. So they shouldn't make it harder to get into LSE than getting into those universities, as Americans are often willing to pay loads for university.
yeah, but Americans aren't LSE's primary market and LSE doesn't exactly have places going begging!

Why should LSE make it easier for Americans to get into, when they can get other highly-intelligent fee-paying students from the rest of the world?
r6mile
The thing is that when you do A-levels, those are basically all the subjects you do, and everyone has to do them. APs are originally designed to give college credit, and therefore optional. You take as many as you want, and besides AP courses (if any) you usually have a lot of other classes as well. If you just compare AP material to A-level material then A-level goes more in depth yeah, but they are exams designed for different purposes. The thing is that it's the closes thing to A-levels (not counting IB) that there is in the USA, so that's what they use for admission.


I agree with you.