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Reply 40

hey the IB is 100% definitely fine for these courses. I think the reason why some people may say its best to take a levels if you wish to pursue them is that if you want to take maths at uni then its unlikely that you'll want to take english lit + a foreign language + a humanity....

having said that IB Maths HL is equivalent to both a level maths and a level further maths. I know people who have taken the IB who got into Oxford for biological sciences (or something along those lines) and medicine, and i also know IB people who have gotten into cambridge for medicine.

Either way the IB is fine, and if you are interested in taking a foreign language + eng lit then the IB would be good for you. you can also write your extended essay (a research project) is an area relevant to your uni course.

hope that helps

Reply 41

Graphix
Has anyone in the UK who had the option of taking A levels, but instead chose IB, received an offer from Oxford or Cambridge to study Maths, Physics or Engineering?

It is just that my new school has told me that if anyone is interested in these degrees then they should choose A levels. Yet, other people say that IB is perfectly fine even if you want to go for a maths/science based degree...

Thank you.


Hi, Im currently doing physics at Cambridge (2nd year, first year I did physics, chemistry, maths, biology of cells) and I did the IB. I did Physics, chem, maths and english HL. I found that in physics I was better prepared than the people who had done A-levels, and certainly knew more of the 1st year material than they did (I did relativity and astrophysics as options, basically a lot of the 1st term is relativity). Chemistry was about the same, in the IB you learn more phys chem but less organic chem (unless you do the higher organic chemistry option I suppose, we did some biochem and medicines and drugs as our options, which wasnt too useful for chemistry, but slightly useful for biology of cells). In maths I was maybe a bit worse prepared than the people who did further maths, but this was very slight and possibly because I didnt work enough on the maths when I was doing the IB. I still went on to get a first overall with maths as my best subject.

So it's all up to you really, if you want to do the IB it's fine for Cambridge, if you would rather not do all the languages then A-levels is fine too. Although I get the impression that the IB is more directed towards thinking through things, at least in physics, than the A-levels. But this is just an impression I got from my friends, which may be wrong.

Reply 42

NilsJohan
Hi, Im currently doing physics at Cambridge (2nd year, first year I did physics, chemistry, maths, biology of cells) and I did the IB. I did Physics, chem, maths and english HL. I found that in physics I was better prepared than the people who had done A-levels, and certainly knew more of the 1st year material than they did (I did relativity and astrophysics as options, basically a lot of the 1st term is relativity). Chemistry was about the same, in the IB you learn more phys chem but less organic chem (unless you do the higher organic chemistry option I suppose, we did some biochem and medicines and drugs as our options, which wasnt too useful for chemistry, but slightly useful for biology of cells). In maths I was maybe a bit worse prepared than the people who did further maths, but this was very slight and possibly because I didnt work enough on the maths when I was doing the IB. I still went on to get a first overall with maths as my best subject.

So it's all up to you really, if you want to do the IB it's fine for Cambridge, if you would rather not do all the languages then A-levels is fine too. Although I get the impression that the IB is more directed towards thinking through things, at least in physics, than the A-levels. But this is just an impression I got from my friends, which may be wrong.


Thanks NilsJohan...that made me feel a lot more confident about my choice!

I see you did four HL? I'm thinking of doing that, or at least starting with four HLs and seeing how I go...did you find that it was a lot more work?

Reply 43

Graphix
Thanks NilsJohan...that made me feel a lot more confident about my choice!

I see you did four HL? I'm thinking of doing that, or at least starting with four HLs and seeing how I go...did you find that it was a lot more work?


I think it depends a lot on which subjects you choose, I think for languages the difference between SL and HL is smaller than for sciences. For example the difference between maths SL and HL is very big, but at my school they taught history SL and HL together all year, their thought being that the more you know the better, because it's an essay subject anyway. I guess you're doing 3 sciences HL? If so then I think that an extra HL humanity should be ok. I did Norwegian and Economics SL and English, maths, physics and chemistry HL. In the end I got 6, 7, 6, 6, 7, 7 respectively. 2 points on EE and TOK. Was predicted for more and I missed my Cambridge offer but they let me in anyway.

Reply 44

NilsJohan
I think it depends a lot on which subjects you choose, I think for languages the difference between SL and HL is smaller than for sciences. For example the difference between maths SL and HL is very big, but at my school they taught history SL and HL together all year, their thought being that the more you know the better, because it's an essay subject anyway. I guess you're doing 3 sciences HL? If so then I think that an extra HL humanity should be ok. I did Norwegian and Economics SL and English, maths, physics and chemistry HL. In the end I got 6, 7, 6, 6, 7, 7 respectively. 2 points on EE and TOK. Was predicted for more and I missed my Cambridge offer but they let me in anyway.


Wow...that's really good....
Yeah, I'm thinking of starting with Maths, Physics, Chemistry and Economics at HL and see how I go. English and French will be at SL.
What was the offer? It seems Cambridge are more understanding when someone drops and IB point than when someone drops a grade at A level, but surely the points have grade boundaries just like grades A, B and C do at A level?

Reply 45

Graphix
Wow...that's really good....
Yeah, I'm thinking of starting with Maths, Physics, Chemistry and Economics at HL and see how I go. English and French will be at SL.
What was the offer? It seems Cambridge are more understanding when someone drops and IB point than when someone drops a grade at A level, but surely the points have grade boundaries just like grades A, B and C do at A level?


My offer was 42 with 777 in Maths, Physics and Chemistry. I dont know how much more lenient they are, but I had some other things that I sent them an email about (800 in all SAT IIs, went to the international physics olympiad and was top 20/50 in the country, Norway, in maths and chem, all of which had admittedly taken up a fair bit of critical time). I didnt work hard enough on my maths though. So I dunno, I wouldnt really see my case as representative, but I have heard more stories about people dropping a point here and there, but usually not in their required subjects (the sort of 'AAA' part of the offer). But in my case I didnt even get pushed to another college.

I dont know how HL econs is compared to SL, at my school they only did SL.

Reply 46

NilsJohan
My offer was 42 with 777 in Maths, Physics and Chemistry. I dont know how much more lenient they are, but I had some other things that I sent them an email about (800 in all SAT IIs, went to the international physics olympiad and was top 20/50 in the country, Norway, in maths and chem, all of which had admittedly taken up a fair bit of critical time). I didnt work hard enough on my maths though. So I dunno, I wouldnt really see my case as representative, but I have heard more stories about people dropping a point here and there, but usually not in their required subjects (the sort of 'AAA' part of the offer). But in my case I didnt even get pushed to another college.

I dont know how HL econs is compared to SL, at my school they only did SL.


Ok NilsJohan, thank you for all of your advice.
I really appreciate it.

Reply 47

NilsJohan
I dont know how HL econs is compared to SL, at my school they only did SL.

It's cool - not harder than SL. It does cover a bit more material, but the analysis isn't making the subject any harder. I did HL until registering for exams before christmas in IB2 and then dropped it to SL. (Did more or less no work throughout the course, so it isn't very hard imo. I missed a 7 by 1% though...)

Reply 48

nota bene
It's cool - not harder than SL. It does cover a bit more material, but the analysis isn't making the subject any harder. I did HL until registering for exams before christmas in IB2 and then dropped it to SL. (Did more or less no work throughout the course, so it isn't very hard imo. I missed a 7 by 1% though...)


Yeah in my class noone got less than 5, and there was a fair amount of slackers. I got a 7, didnt work too much. There's a lot of choice on the econs SL exam so you dont even really have to know the whole syllabus right. Of course you do have to know some examples and do some memory work, but I think my other subjects were more challenging.

Graphix: You're welcome, feel free to drop me a PM or anything if you have any other questions =)

Reply 49

Is it possible to get a "non-math related" application for Cambridge accepted with:

IB score:

Swedish A1 HL: 6
Geography HL: 6
English B HL: 7
History SL: 6
Math studies: 5
Biology SL: 7

TOK & EE AB = 3

Total score: 40

With English B and Math studies being the obvious weaknesses?

Reply 50

The maths studies shouldn't be a problem (assuming you're applying for an arts course) and the 40 overall should be ok. But most people I know got offers specifying 7,7,6 at higher level, although a few were offered 7,6,6. It would be best to phone the admissions office of the College you want to apply to and ask them what their usual offer is, if it's not stated on their website. Good luck

Reply 51

The fact that you got 7,6,6 at HL will be quite a bit disadvantage especially because the 7 is in English B.

but thats not to put you off, obviously lots of other factors effect your application. You would probably still get an interview so take it from there! good luck

Reply 52

Would Cambridge value a 6 in English A2 HL higher than a 7 in English B HL?

My biased opinion is that they should, but I was wondering how they may feel about the different courses.

Reply 53

hmmmm well i got a 6 in French A2 HL and at interview they seemed to be very impressed with language A2 HL as opposed to B HL. just make sure you + your referee write a little comment about the A2 course being designed for fluent speakers, and bring it up at interview if you want - i did.

Reply 54

Ah, OK. Neither me or my ref mentioned it in the application. But I guess I can squeeze it in at an interview if I get an opportunity to do so.

Reply 55

I think the fact the IB is considered superior(I am studying IB too!) is not only the number and depth of the subject they need to take, it is also due to the core section of the IB course, ie. TOK, CAS and EE. I think the IB course shows the student as a all-rounded person instead of a studying machine. They need to fulfill all those requirements in CAS, write a formal (but short) essay in (limited) depth, and also think philosophically in TOK.
Oxbridge(or specifically cambridge here) loves students who wrote formal essays. I have heard that (from my teacher who studied in Cambridge) that students from Harvard who went to Cambridge as exchange students needed special courses to learn how to write essay, but writing research essays like the EEs is essential in the education of Cambridge.
TOK is also one big factor that makes IB superior. Behind all subjects there are philosophies behind. Cambridge education wants people who not only learn the facts and print it out, but also think critically. TOK trains critical thinking(supposedly...).
They also wanted all-rounded students who studies everything. IB forces students to study at least 1 humanities, 1 science, 2 languages and 1 mathematics subject. So students will not only focus in one single direction(perhaps in science-only subject as people do in A levels), but learn to see the world in more aspects.
So its not only the subject choices and depth that counts.

Reply 56

In my experience the IB requires a far greater time devoted to it than A levels. Because of this, I can imagine that the people who study A levels have a far greater freedom to use the time difference to further their understanding of their chosen subjects. This could mean that people studying the IB are more bound to the syllabus, whereas for A level students, at least at the top end, the A levels themselves are quite a small factor of their education.

If this were true Oxbridge would have to act accordingly by giving out offers to IB students more leniently, as the offers are much harder too meet. In contrast A level students would be given offers more selectively, based on both potential and their knowledge outside the A levels as the offers are easier to meet (excepting STEP etc).

Whether this is the case or not, I prefer the A levels as I take the subjects I want and have plenty of time free to expand my studies deeper into my chosen areas.

Reply 57

Oh, and by the way, are you less likely to get an offer from oxbridge if you've done retakes in a couple of IB subjects and if you've rewritten your TOK, what's their attitude towards that?

Reply 58

Mr Hat
Oh, and by the way, are you less likely to get an offer from oxbridge if you've done retakes in a couple of IB subjects and if you've rewritten your TOK, what's their attitude towards that?


If you read on the Cambridge website it says somewhere that they dont like retakes of A-levels, so I imagine some of the same policy is applied towards the IB, neglecting any special circumstances and so on.

Reply 59

Hmm maybe someone else could share their opinion/experiences on this. Are you less likely to get an offer if you've done retakes and upped your overall score with say 3, 4, or 5 points?