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Should mixed sex wards be abolished?

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Reply 20

I've worked on mixed sex wards and on single sex. Didn't really notice a difference to be honest. It wouldn't bother me in the slightist being on a mixed sex ward, providing, as is done, that the bays are seperate

It makes more sense to have specilist treatment all together, so that if you are recovering from surgery you get those specialising in wound care, the mentally infirm together (and believe me that takes so much more than I have

Reply 21

I agree pretty much with what Jamie has said it make much more sense for people to be put in wards to do with their condition as opposed to their gender. Yes it would be nice if the NHS had enough staff for there to be individual wards for men and women but it currently isn't very realistic. A patient who comes in having a stroke has been found in studies (according to the lecture we had on stroke last week) to do better if they are in a ward which specialises in stroke than if they are in a general ward. Surely it is more important the a patient gets the best nursing care that they can for their condition than putting them on a mixed ward (which in most cases will have separate bays for men and women anyway?

Reply 22

Nessyfencer
And after they ban mixed sex wards will they change it so that only female drs and nurses can care for female patients? It's hospital, it really doesn't matter if there is a male or female in the bed next to you.


Yeah, but a doctor/nurse and a fellow patient are different. One is trained to deal with people, the human anatomy, they deal with people in all physical and personal situations every day that they become a neutral entity. Whereas a fellow patient is just that, a patient, and so some people may not want the potential to be 'exposed' in some way to them.

Not really against mixed wards, just putting across that side :smile:

Reply 23

Perhaps the issue is more of a fiscal matter, it is the NHS for gods sake, what do you expect!!!!

'Put my complimentary bottle of Bollinger from Gordy Brown on ice please nursey' :p:

Reply 24

darzona
I agree that grouping patients according to condition is obviously in general a good idea in terms of quality and specificity of care, and having wards with small bays/wards split into two 'ends' according to gender seems to be a good solution.
However, in the hospital I volunteer in, many of the bays have people of both genders. I do not quite understand how people think that this is not a problem for many patients. While there are curtains for privacy, it is not possible for everyone to have them drawn all the time - nurses need to be able to see them etc.
Only this morning I was talking to an elderly compos mentis very polite lady in a bed opposite an elderly (clearly quite ill) gentleman who was sprawled asleep on his bed, having kicked the bedclothes off, wearing only an open pyjama top. This was not a pleasant view for the lady. The gentleman was clearly too ill to draw the curtains himself (and was presumable under observation anyway) as, I assume, was the lady, who also did not want to be excluded from everything going on around her, like people to talk to.

I can see that the logistics of single-sex wards are complex, and on some occasions it would be impossible, but from what I have seen, more of an effort could perhaps be made.


OK, I'll spell it out very simply for those that are seemingly unable to grasp this.

There are 3 varients on a ward.
1) Mixed sex - sex is ignored when allocating beds, such that you may be next to someone of the opposite sex. These are very rare nowaday because most wards now aren't made up of rows of beds, but instead are made up of bays with 4-6 people in each bay. each ward has multiple bays.
In 'number 1' format, each bay is mixed sex.

2) Mixed sex - single sex bays. This is by far the most common arrangement nowadays. You DON'T end up sleeping in a bed next to someone of the opposite sex, but there are memebers of the opposite sex on the ward. So you may run into them whilst walking about, ging to the loo/shower etc.

3) Single sex wards. Each ward is entirely one sex. These are rather rare outside of certain specialties (gynae wards and obstetric wards of course!) because it is far better to base wards on medical/surgical types than on gender.


Now i disagree with the type 1 arrangement - which is something darzona has come across. but i think alot of people have misconceptions about 'mixed sex wards', not helped by certain 'staff' mouthing off, or arsey patients.
Hospitals are awful places to stay. you might find that you ar ein a bay with some demented old lady who screams sporodically day and night. Or a feverish person who keeps whipping their covers off.
but thats what a 'free health system' entails.

Reply 25

Your points are very valid as are some of the other posts, vis a vis the practicalities of mixed wards, in all their variations.

How about this for an "out-there" suggestion for solving our Health Service dilemna, we ie the UK, research various nations Health care provisions, and the system which is most competent is...adopted by this Country.

Reply 26

Jamie
OK, I'll spell it out very simply for those that are seemingly unable to grasp this.

There are 3 varients on a ward.
1) Mixed sex - sex is ignored when allocating beds, such that you may be next to someone of the opposite sex. These are very rare nowaday because most wards now aren't made up of rows of beds, but instead are made up of bays with 4-6 people in each bay. each ward has multiple bays.
In 'number 1' format, each bay is mixed sex.

2) Mixed sex - single sex bays. This is by far the most common arrangement nowadays. You DON'T end up sleeping in a bed next to someone of the opposite sex, but there are memebers of the opposite sex on the ward. So you may run into them whilst walking about, ging to the loo/shower etc.

3) Single sex wards. Each ward is entirely one sex. These are rather rare outside of certain specialties (gynae wards and obstetric wards of course!) because it is far better to base wards on medical/surgical types than on gender.


Now i disagree with the type 1 arrangement - which is something darzona has come across. but i think alot of people have misconceptions about 'mixed sex wards', not helped by certain 'staff' mouthing off, or arsey patients.
Hospitals are awful places to stay. you might find that you ar ein a bay with some demented old lady who screams sporodically day and night. Or a feverish person who keeps whipping their covers off.
but thats what a 'free health system' entails.


I hope you don't think I'm one of those 'unable to grasp this' - basically, I agree with you and was just giving an example of your 'point 1'!
Something which does seem to work quite well in aforementioned hospital though is that, as they do have many 'old-fashioned' long wards, they still operate the again 'old-fashioned' 2-end arrangement with women at one end, men the other, and the nurse's station etc in the middle - often the two ends even have different ward names but patients are under the same staff etc.

Reply 27

When I was admitted to hospital three weeks ago, I was put on a mixed sex ward. Although it surprised me at first (naive me thought all wards were single sex), it didn't bother me at all. The care I received on that ward was second to none and I'd much, much rather have been on that ward than left in A and E or elsewhere without the care just to wait for a bed on a single sex ward.

Reply 28

When they sort out more pressing issues that require time, effort and money, like... stopping people dying, then change the sex of the wards - but is this really a priority? I'd like free Sky TV in every room too, but it's not going to happen.

Reply 29

DanGrover
I'd like free Sky TV in every room too, but it's not going to happen.

I got Freeview but I had to pay even just to watch basic 5 channels! £3.50 a day, fortunately I was only in for one night but I bet that'd soon rack up!

Reply 30

*soph*
I got Freeview but I had to pay even just to watch basic 5 channels! £3.50 a day, fortunately I was only in for one night but I bet that'd soon rack up!


You had to pay?! Was it a private tv?

Reply 31

qwerty_st/n
Personally I prefer single-sex wards, they're easier to work on in my opinion. However, in smaller units, such as Coronary Care, High Dependency, or Intensive Care, then there isn't really any other option than to have males and females in beds next to each other.

Although, on every single mixed-sex ward I have ever been on, men and women were kept in separate bays, so they were never put together. There is nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.


I was just going to say the same thing! Obviously in the smallers wards there's no choice really and I agree with the bay thing too - it's been the same in the hospitals I've worked in. What do they expect the hospitals to do, double the amount of wards or put a brick wall down the middle of them? Silly.

Reply 32

DanGrover
When they sort out more pressing issues that require time, effort and money, like... stopping people dying, then change the sex of the wards - but is this really a priority? I'd like free Sky TV in every room too, but it's not going to happen.


Do something naughty, its free in prison :wink: Bet they have Sky + too :cool:

Reply 33

ninstro
Yeah, but a doctor/nurse and a fellow patient are different. One is trained to deal with people, the human anatomy, they deal with people in all physical and personal situations every day that they become a neutral entity. Whereas a fellow patient is just that, a patient, and so some people may not want the potential to be 'exposed' in some way to them.

Not really against mixed wards, just putting across that side :smile:

Yeah, but in both situations it is ridiculous to start banning.

Reply 34

Nessyfencer
Yeah, but in both situations it is ridiculous to start banning.


Indeed, I'm just merely putting forward the personal perspective from which people may oppose mixed sex wards :smile:

Reply 35

ninstro
You had to pay?! Was it a private tv?

Yeah it was, rather than there being one tv per bay, every patient had a tiny tv screen and phone, but had to pay for the privilege! I'd love to know where the revenue from that goes - that could provide a lot of funds for the hospital, but I suspect it's going to some fat cat entertainment provider!

Reply 36

it does, and their stranglehold on the tv and phone facilities on wards is one reason why this 'mobile phone ban' still exists in hospitals.

Reply 37

Other patients were using their phones on the ward and the staff didn't seem to mind, so I used mine regardless.

Reply 38

Yeah, I've always used mine when I've been in.

Reply 39

*soph*
Yeah it was, rather than there being one tv per bay, every patient had a tiny tv screen and phone, but had to pay for the privilege! I'd love to know where the revenue from that goes - that could provide a lot of funds for the hospital, but I suspect it's going to some fat cat entertainment provider!


Pfft, screw the private tvs! S'all about the day room :wink: :biggrin:

There's nothing quite like watching 'Ugly Betty' with 3 old men in gowns whilst texting people on the outside...