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    hello
    I am in year 11 and need urgent help! our usual history teacher left for maternity leave last week, and we have had supply teachers, today we were flung into our coursework with no aid and I really want to get an A or even A* and seriously panicking because the advice is vague and I need help!
    our question is: who was more important to Hitler and the Nazi party, Goebbels or Himmler?

    I would appreciate any advice ASAP as I don't have a lot of time before it must be completed!
    thank you for your time
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    If it's for an essay, look at the possible points you have and pick the guy which you have the most evidence for.
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    This website is pretty good: http://www.markedbyteachers.com/as-a...r-discuss.html
    Joseph Goebbels (1897-1945) was the most educated of the Nazis and in 1921 he became the doctor of philology. He even tried to pursue his career as a playwright instead joined the Nazis in 1922. As a Nazi he demanded that the “Bourgeois Hitler” is expelled from the party but in 1926 he changed his mind and sided with Hitler. This enabled him to become the propaganda chief in 1928 and later in 1930 he was elected in the Reichstag. His power progressed as by March 1923 he was the leader of the Reich Ministry of Propaganda (RNVP) and in November he organised Kristallnacht. By 1943 he managed to play a major role in organising the war efforts and was made General Plenipotentiary but in May 1945 he persuaded Hitler to commit suicide and also killed himself. In contrast to Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler was also an influential Nazi. As he became the leader of the SS in 1929 and his dedication to Hitler and hard work enabled him to become the chief of German police in 1936 hence he was in charge of both the SS and Gestapo. His power further progressed by running the concentration camp and having total control of the Holocaust. In addition the SS was the most extreme supporters of Nazi ideology and he wanted the SS to become the racial elite. Moreover he was rewarded for his role in the Night of the Long Knives and his power derived because of the terror his organisation inspired. As one can observe that these two Nazis played a major role in Germany but many have been quite curious about who has been the most influential. In order to asses this I shall be carefully examining each of their personality and relationship with Hitler; their role in the Third Reich and impact of their policies.Goebbels’s relationship with Hitler emerged due to the fact that Goebbels abandoned the socialists hence Hitler rewarded him with the position of the Gauleiter of Berlin. This impressed Goebbels and he begun to focus on the common beliefs that the two shared such as anti Semitism. The relationship between the two displays the persuasive charm of Hitler and simultaneously explains the manner in which Goebbels chose to portray the Fuhrer. During the economic depression in the 1920’s and 1930’s in Germany, gave Hitler and Goebbels the opportunity to exploit the disenfranchised. The two were able to come to an understanding which further strengthened their relationship and thus increasing Goebbels’s influence upon others. After the collapse of the Reichstag in 1930 Goebbels managed to create a vast propaganda campaign that promised to renew Germany through the faith of Hitler. His relationship with Hitler enabled him to influence others through use of his campaigns as this included refusals to pay reparations, and most significantly, overcome the economic corruption that was closely attributed to the Jewish population.In comparison to Goebbels, Himmler was the Reich Fuhrer of the SS and Hitler’s body guard which meant that he spent a lot of time with Hitler. In addition to this his personality and hard work further enhanced his influence, sources 2 and 3 show that Himmler’s hard work and determination inspired others to do the same, moreover he was respected amongst others: “the painstaking hours of work that Himmler put in demanded from his subordinates inspired respect. But Himmler also exerted charm; there are too many accounts of his seemingly genuine concern for his people and their families to doubt this.” This source signifies that Himmler knew exactly what people would want and hear and therefore this gave him the power and knowledge to improve his influence amongst. Furthermore his cold-blooded ruthlessness and organisational expense made him one of Hitler’s most valued henchmen. This was due to the fact that the SS were good at interpreting the will of the Fuhrer and further enhancing the influence of Himmler. Additionally likewise to Hitler, Himmler was also obsessed with the idea of an Aryan race. This common philosophy brought Himmler and Hitler much closer and he was always seen “working towards the Fuhrer,” as it is clearly stated in source 1: “it is above all because Himmler was directly responsible to the Fuhrer in his capacity as Reich SS […] that he could easily escape from simultaneous responsibility to the Reich Minister of the Interior, or even indeed reverse this relationship.” This emphasises that Himmler’s manipulative and cunning skills enabled him to directly gain access to Hitler although “his subordination to Frick was more of less purely nominal.” This exemplifies that even though in theory he was under Frick, he never followed this aspect of the theory. Unlike Goebbels, Himmler was always true to Hitler and would have never betrayed him. Until it became clear that Hitler was making mistakes. However Goebbels didn’t even want Hitler in the Nazi party during the early stages and staggered taking over leadership when the Reich begun to collapse.In contrast to the relationship with Hitler of both Nazis, the use of propaganda played a significant role in the Third Reich to ensure that Goebbels is more influential. This was due to the fact that Goebbels ensured that his propaganda appealed to all groups of people and, as a result, it attracted people from a wider range of social and economic backgrounds than any other party. This was because the propagandist “must always be in a position to speak to people in language that they understand. These capacities are the essential preconditions of success.” This emphasises that Goebbels knew how to use propaganda in a way that it is relevant to individual sections of the population in order to gain mass support. The significance of this results in further influence of Goebbels and thus the development of his power within the Third Reich.Although Goebbels’s role in the Third Reich was a crucial segment in developing his influence, Himmler also played a major role in the Third Reich. Being the head of the SS was a very important role in the Third Reich. This is because although Goebbels may have had the use of propaganda perfected it was Himmler with the help of the SS and the base in Bavaria extended his control as a political police of Germany and his use of terror kept Germany together and made the Nazi party more powerful so that it can stay in power. Before Himmler became the leader of the SS he was a chicken farmer, which enabled him to gain connexions with the average German people and hence develop his influence upon others. His role during the Night of the Long Knives of the purging of the SA displays the extent to which Himmler can go in order to increase his power: “To have to shoot one’s own comrades, with whom one had stood side by side for eight or ten years in the struggle for an ideal, and who then failed, is the bitterest thing that can happen to a man.” This statement highlights the destruction of the external enemies which has made him more influential and concludes that he will do anything to gain power, hence people should be afraid. However this source cannot be trusted because it is a speech given by Himmler and therefore can be seen as being biased. It emphasises that Himmler did not want to carry out the atrocities but he had no choice. In spite of this one is aware of Himmler’s cunning and manipulative character, thus it can be said Himmler is only saying this speech to make the disastrous things seem acceptable and to display his false sympathies for the external enemies to the people of Germany, so that his influence can be extended to a greater extent.On the contrary to this, the impact of the policies used by both the Nazis also increased their influence amongst the German people. Goebbels being the minister of propaganda and popular enlightenment was able to inflict Nazi ideas to the German people as he had complete control over radio, press, cinema, and theater as Goebbels believed that “the finest kind of propaganda does not reveal itself: the best propaganda is that which works invisibly, penetrating into every cell of life in such a way that the public has no ideas of the aims of the propagandist”. This statement illustrates the use of propaganda in everyday life in order to persuade and convince the German people to support the Nazis and their actions. In addition he also played a major role in exploiting the Reichstag fire in 1933 and in organising the burning of the books in May 1933 and events of Kristallnacht in November 1938.However in comparison to this, the impact of Himmler’s policies also played an imperative role in the enhancement of his influence. This is predominately due to the fact that the SS where totally dedicated to what they regarded as the supreme virtues of Nazi ideology, loyalty and honour. The impact of the policies enabled Himmler to ensure that the SS where economically independent by forming companies to exploit the labour in the concentration camps. In addition to this the attitudes of the SS influenced the character of Himmler, who in 1933 over took the ideology and propaganda.Overall both these Nazis have displayed their determination and hard work in order to obtain the highest level of influence amongst the German people. They have been able to develop relationships with Hitler in order to play a crucial role in the Third Reich and have displayed the impact of their policies. However although both have been successful in achieving this, I personally disagree with the statement that “Goebbels was more influential than Himmler” because throughout my examination I have discovered that Himmler had the power to gain the greatest influence as he was head of the SS which must have been a hard role to play but instead he managed to use terror in order to influence the German people. Moreover he was able to overtake Goebbels’s propaganda in 1933 whereas Goebbels was not able to overhaul Himmler and the SS.
    I actually think its Joseph Goebbels, since Himmler only became powerful because of the Nazis and when they were in charge, whereas Goebbels was better, because he actually was skilled at propaganda. Himmler on the other hand, didn't rise to power until after Hitler was made chancellor. Himmler was in charge of the propaganda and all that but in the end Goebbels actions led 54% of Germans to vote for Hitler. He was essentially running the show from day one and his control over the nazi state increased as hitler's grasp on reality decreased.
    Hope I helped in some way!
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    Hey I'm a year 13 a-level student and we are just starting to touch upon a similar topic to your GCSE one. I hope this advice is not too late tho 😊 so evidently goebbels was the minister of propaganda and was very important for the nazi party as he managed to disillude and corrupt an entire nation through his control of the press. Without his talent the German public may not of been swayed to the far right of the political system and perhaps even taken to communism as an answer to Germany's problems (wall street crash & failing weimar republic). Goebbels was an asset to hitler and the nazi as he reinforced Hitler's powerful speeches by publicing them everywhere possible. Goebbels even flew Hitler in his own private aeroplane (a rare thing in 1930) around all of germany to spread the vile word of the nazi. Goebbels was also a key member during the nazi rein as he then helped to maintain and blind the german public. On the contrary himmler was in charge of the SS and helped construct the 'final solution'(extermination of the jews and the like) the SS was vital in Hitlers claim on dictatorship as they were used as his personal bodyguard and helped during the night of the long knives (a key stage in securing power). The SS drove fear into the public, removing opposition and thus insuring the nazi seize of power. Hope this helps, feel free to ask more
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    (Original post by Sakura-Sama)
    This website is pretty good: http://www.markedbyteachers.com/as-a...r-discuss.html
    Joseph Goebbels (1897-1945) was the most educated of the Nazis and in 1921 he became the doctor of philology. He even tried to pursue his career as a playwright instead joined the Nazis in 1922. As a Nazi he demanded that the “Bourgeois Hitler” is expelled from the party but in 1926 he changed his mind and sided with Hitler. This enabled him to become the propaganda chief in 1928 and later in 1930 he was elected in the Reichstag. His power progressed as by March 1923 he was the leader of the Reich Ministry of Propaganda (RNVP) and in November he organised Kristallnacht. By 1943 he managed to play a major role in organising the war efforts and was made General Plenipotentiary but in May 1945 he persuaded Hitler to commit suicide and also killed himself. In contrast to Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler was also an influential Nazi. As he became the leader of the SS in 1929 and his dedication to Hitler and hard work enabled him to become the chief of German police in 1936 hence he was in charge of both the SS and Gestapo. His power further progressed by running the concentration camp and having total control of the Holocaust. In addition the SS was the most extreme supporters of Nazi ideology and he wanted the SS to become the racial elite. Moreover he was rewarded for his role in the Night of the Long Knives and his power derived because of the terror his organisation inspired. As one can observe that these two Nazis played a major role in Germany but many have been quite curious about who has been the most influential. In order to asses this I shall be carefully examining each of their personality and relationship with Hitler; their role in the Third Reich and impact of their policies.Goebbels’s relationship with Hitler emerged due to the fact that Goebbels abandoned the socialists hence Hitler rewarded him with the position of the Gauleiter of Berlin. This impressed Goebbels and he begun to focus on the common beliefs that the two shared such as anti Semitism. The relationship between the two displays the persuasive charm of Hitler and simultaneously explains the manner in which Goebbels chose to portray the Fuhrer. During the economic depression in the 1920’s and 1930’s in Germany, gave Hitler and Goebbels the opportunity to exploit the disenfranchised. The two were able to come to an understanding which further strengthened their relationship and thus increasing Goebbels’s influence upon others. After the collapse of the Reichstag in 1930 Goebbels managed to create a vast propaganda campaign that promised to renew Germany through the faith of Hitler. His relationship with Hitler enabled him to influence others through use of his campaigns as this included refusals to pay reparations, and most significantly, overcome the economic corruption that was closely attributed to the Jewish population.In comparison to Goebbels, Himmler was the Reich Fuhrer of the SS and Hitler’s body guard which meant that he spent a lot of time with Hitler. In addition to this his personality and hard work further enhanced his influence, sources 2 and 3 show that Himmler’s hard work and determination inspired others to do the same, moreover he was respected amongst others: “the painstaking hours of work that Himmler put in demanded from his subordinates inspired respect. But Himmler also exerted charm; there are too many accounts of his seemingly genuine concern for his people and their families to doubt this.” This source signifies that Himmler knew exactly what people would want and hear and therefore this gave him the power and knowledge to improve his influence amongst. Furthermore his cold-blooded ruthlessness and organisational expense made him one of Hitler’s most valued henchmen. This was due to the fact that the SS were good at interpreting the will of the Fuhrer and further enhancing the influence of Himmler. Additionally likewise to Hitler, Himmler was also obsessed with the idea of an Aryan race. This common philosophy brought Himmler and Hitler much closer and he was always seen “working towards the Fuhrer,” as it is clearly stated in source 1: “it is above all because Himmler was directly responsible to the Fuhrer in his capacity as Reich SS […] that he could easily escape from simultaneous responsibility to the Reich Minister of the Interior, or even indeed reverse this relationship.” This emphasises that Himmler’s manipulative and cunning skills enabled him to directly gain access to Hitler although “his subordination to Frick was more of less purely nominal.” This exemplifies that even though in theory he was under Frick, he never followed this aspect of the theory. Unlike Goebbels, Himmler was always true to Hitler and would have never betrayed him. Until it became clear that Hitler was making mistakes. However Goebbels didn’t even want Hitler in the Nazi party during the early stages and staggered taking over leadership when the Reich begun to collapse.In contrast to the relationship with Hitler of both Nazis, the use of propaganda played a significant role in the Third Reich to ensure that Goebbels is more influential. This was due to the fact that Goebbels ensured that his propaganda appealed to all groups of people and, as a result, it attracted people from a wider range of social and economic backgrounds than any other party. This was because the propagandist “must always be in a position to speak to people in language that they understand. These capacities are the essential preconditions of success.” This emphasises that Goebbels knew how to use propaganda in a way that it is relevant to individual sections of the population in order to gain mass support. The significance of this results in further influence of Goebbels and thus the development of his power within the Third Reich.Although Goebbels’s role in the Third Reich was a crucial segment in developing his influence, Himmler also played a major role in the Third Reich. Being the head of the SS was a very important role in the Third Reich. This is because although Goebbels may have had the use of propaganda perfected it was Himmler with the help of the SS and the base in Bavaria extended his control as a political police of Germany and his use of terror kept Germany together and made the Nazi party more powerful so that it can stay in power. Before Himmler became the leader of the SS he was a chicken farmer, which enabled him to gain connexions with the average German people and hence develop his influence upon others. His role during the Night of the Long Knives of the purging of the SA displays the extent to which Himmler can go in order to increase his power: “To have to shoot one’s own comrades, with whom one had stood side by side for eight or ten years in the struggle for an ideal, and who then failed, is the bitterest thing that can happen to a man.” This statement highlights the destruction of the external enemies which has made him more influential and concludes that he will do anything to gain power, hence people should be afraid. However this source cannot be trusted because it is a speech given by Himmler and therefore can be seen as being biased. It emphasises that Himmler did not want to carry out the atrocities but he had no choice. In spite of this one is aware of Himmler’s cunning and manipulative character, thus it can be said Himmler is only saying this speech to make the disastrous things seem acceptable and to display his false sympathies for the external enemies to the people of Germany, so that his influence can be extended to a greater extent.On the contrary to this, the impact of the policies used by both the Nazis also increased their influence amongst the German people. Goebbels being the minister of propaganda and popular enlightenment was able to inflict Nazi ideas to the German people as he had complete control over radio, press, cinema, and theater as Goebbels believed that “the finest kind of propaganda does not reveal itself: the best propaganda is that which works invisibly, penetrating into every cell of life in such a way that the public has no ideas of the aims of the propagandist”. This statement illustrates the use of propaganda in everyday life in order to persuade and convince the German people to support the Nazis and their actions. In addition he also played a major role in exploiting the Reichstag fire in 1933 and in organising the burning of the books in May 1933 and events of Kristallnacht in November 1938.However in comparison to this, the impact of Himmler’s policies also played an imperative role in the enhancement of his influence. This is predominately due to the fact that the SS where totally dedicated to what they regarded as the supreme virtues of Nazi ideology, loyalty and honour. The impact of the policies enabled Himmler to ensure that the SS where economically independent by forming companies to exploit the labour in the concentration camps. In addition to this the attitudes of the SS influenced the character of Himmler, who in 1933 over took the ideology and propaganda.Overall both these Nazis have displayed their determination and hard work in order to obtain the highest level of influence amongst the German people. They have been able to develop relationships with Hitler in order to play a crucial role in the Third Reich and have displayed the impact of their policies. However although both have been successful in achieving this, I personally disagree with the statement that “Goebbels was more influential than Himmler” because throughout my examination I have discovered that Himmler had the power to gain the greatest influence as he was head of the SS which must have been a hard role to play but instead he managed to use terror in order to influence the German people. Moreover he was able to overtake Goebbels’s propaganda in 1933 whereas Goebbels was not able to overhaul Himmler and the SS.
    I actually think its Joseph Goebbels, since Himmler only became powerful because of the Nazis and when they were in charge, whereas Goebbels was better, because he actually was skilled at propaganda. Himmler on the other hand, didn't rise to power until after Hitler was made chancellor. Himmler was in charge of the propaganda and all that but in the end Goebbels actions led 54% of Germans to vote for Hitler. He was essentially running the show from day one and his control over the nazi state increased as hitler's grasp on reality decreased.
    Hope I helped in some way!


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    i got triggered by masses of text
    Let me make it shorter lol just realised:ahee:

    I actually think its Joseph Goebbels, since Himmler only became powerful because of the Nazis and when they were in charge, whereas Goebbels was better, because he actually was skilled at propaganda. Himmler on the other hand, didn't rise to power until after Hitler was made chancellor. Himmler was in charge of the propaganda and all that but in the end Goebbels actions led 54% of Germans to vote for Hitler. He was essentially running the show from day one and his control over the nazi state increased as hitler's grasp on reality decreased.
    This website is also good: http://www.markedbyteachers.com/as-a...r-discuss.html
    Hope I helped in some way!
 
 
 
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