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See Guardian Article:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...icy-is-working
"Leaked review shows that EU law is failing to prevent $100bn a year trade in illegal timber - or that rules are even being implemented"
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...icy-is-working
"Leaked review shows that EU law is failing to prevent $100bn a year trade in illegal timber - or that rules are even being implemented"
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(Original post by newpersonage)
See Guardian Article:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...icy-is-working
"Leaked review shows that EU law is failing to prevent $100bn a year trade in illegal timber - or that rules are even being implemented"
See Guardian Article:
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...icy-is-working
"Leaked review shows that EU law is failing to prevent $100bn a year trade in illegal timber - or that rules are even being implemented"
The regulations are failing because some of the member states are not imposing them or lack the funds to do so:
Nine EU countries have still not imposed penalties or taken action against timber traffickers and six others have yet to carry out checks on importers as required by the EU's timber regulation.
Competent authorities do not yet have the capacity and resources they would need for effective application of the regulation
Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
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Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
The EU Timber Regulations have been around for more than a decade (
http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/News/...R_FLEGT_EN.pdf ).
It is evident that many EU countries are simply turning a blind eye to large scale violations, either by direct corruption of officials or indirect corruption in which the officials allow their country to have a financial advantage no matter what the price to the rest of the world and the EU.
The regulations can be enforced by the ECJ but have not been enforced until very recently, after the ECA report.
It really isn't reasonable to turn a blind eye to every incompetence, negligence and corruption within the EU just because you are in love with the idea of destroying the diversity of Europe.
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I didn't mention corruption. However, I will introduce it now.
The EU Timber Regulations have been around for more than a decade (
http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/News/...R_FLEGT_EN.pdf ).
It is evident that many EU countries are simply turning a blind eye to large scale violations, either by direct corruption of officials or indirect corruption in which the officials allow their country to have a financial advantage no matter what the price to the rest of the world and the EU.
The regulations can be enforced by the ECJ but have not been enforced until very recently, after the ECA report.
It really isn't reasonable to turn a blind eye to every incompetence, negligence and corruption within the EU just because you are in love with the idea of destroying the diversity of Europe.
I didn't mention corruption. However, I will introduce it now.
The EU Timber Regulations have been around for more than a decade (
http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/News/...R_FLEGT_EN.pdf ).
It is evident that many EU countries are simply turning a blind eye to large scale violations, either by direct corruption of officials or indirect corruption in which the officials allow their country to have a financial advantage no matter what the price to the rest of the world and the EU.
The regulations can be enforced by the ECJ but have not been enforced until very recently, after the ECA report.
It really isn't reasonable to turn a blind eye to every incompetence, negligence and corruption within the EU just because you are in love with the idea of destroying the diversity of Europe.
You keep saying that there is corruption in the EU over illegal timber imports but you have not provided evidence for this. Are you sure you know what corruption means or do you just like throwing around buzzwords?
Corruption isn't the same thing as incompetence and incompetence doesn't necessarily mean negligence. The ECA study has been taken into account and acted upon.
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Er, yes you did. The title of this thread is ''VW was not isolated - EU is also corrupt over timber imports''.
You keep saying that there is corruption in the EU over illegal timber imports but you have not provided evidence for this. Are you sure you know what corruption means or do you just like throwing around buzzwords?
Corruption isn't the same thing as incompetence and incompetence doesn't necessarily mean negligence. The ECA study has been taken into account and acted upon.
Er, yes you did. The title of this thread is ''VW was not isolated - EU is also corrupt over timber imports''.
You keep saying that there is corruption in the EU over illegal timber imports but you have not provided evidence for this. Are you sure you know what corruption means or do you just like throwing around buzzwords?
Corruption isn't the same thing as incompetence and incompetence doesn't necessarily mean negligence. The ECA study has been taken into account and acted upon.
The EU certainly seems to corrupt people, it could be the paltry punishments (withholding promotion etc) or that, like other megastates and empires no-one really believes in it after a while.
These are the punishments received by EU staff who were found to be involved in swindling several hundred million euros from the EU:
The OLAF report 2014 Figure 27: Sanctions imposed following OLAF’s disciplinary recommendations
Removal from post 4
Termination of contract 3
Blacklisted from future employment 2
Downgrading 2
Deferment of advancement 2
Warning 7
http://ec.europa.eu/anti_fraud/docum...rt_2014_en.pdf
Truly chilling reading.
It looks like not only can the EU do no wrong but anyone working for the EU can do no wrong.
It is amazing that you should be reacting to the news that the EU is failing to prevent the wholesale destruction of precious and endangered forests by indulging in verbal gymnastics to defend your favourite megastate!
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(Original post by newpersonage)
Corruption is where officials take money in exchange for favours. The recipient of the money need not be the official, it could be his family or, as in this case, his Member State.
Corruption is where officials take money in exchange for favours. The recipient of the money need not be the official, it could be his family or, as in this case, his Member State.
(Original post by newpersonage)
The EU certainly seems to corrupt people, it could be the paltry punishments (withholding promotion etc) or that, like other megastates and empires no-one really believes in it after a while.
These are the punishments received by EU staff who were found to be involved in swindling several hundred million euros from the EU:
The OLAF report 2014 Figure 27: Sanctions imposed following OLAF’s disciplinary recommendations
Removal from post 4
Termination of contract 3
Blacklisted from future employment 2
Downgrading 2
Deferment of advancement 2
Warning 7
http://ec.europa.eu/anti_fraud/docum...rt_2014_en.pdf
Truly chilling reading.
The EU certainly seems to corrupt people, it could be the paltry punishments (withholding promotion etc) or that, like other megastates and empires no-one really believes in it after a while.
These are the punishments received by EU staff who were found to be involved in swindling several hundred million euros from the EU:
The OLAF report 2014 Figure 27: Sanctions imposed following OLAF’s disciplinary recommendations
Removal from post 4
Termination of contract 3
Blacklisted from future employment 2
Downgrading 2
Deferment of advancement 2
Warning 7
http://ec.europa.eu/anti_fraud/docum...rt_2014_en.pdf
Truly chilling reading.
I don't think this report is evidence of wide-spread corruption within the EU. The EU employs tens of thousands of people, 65 recommendations seems pretty good. Just because I'm not foaming at the mouth about this in rage doesn't mean I don't care about fraud or the failures of the EU.
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I don't think this report is evidence of wide-spread corruption within the EU. The EU employs tens of thousands of people, 65 recommendations seems pretty good. Just because I'm not foaming at the mouth about this in rage doesn't mean I don't care about fraud or the failures of the EU.
I don't think this report is evidence of wide-spread corruption within the EU. The EU employs tens of thousands of people, 65 recommendations seems pretty good. Just because I'm not foaming at the mouth about this in rage doesn't mean I don't care about fraud or the failures of the EU.
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But you clearly don't care about the trees or the flagrant disregard of the rules by some countries or the failure of the Commission to act in a more timely fashion. In fact your only concern seems to be to defend the EU.
But you clearly don't care about the trees or the flagrant disregard of the rules by some countries or the failure of the Commission to act in a more timely fashion. In fact your only concern seems to be to defend the EU.
Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
As per my last reply:
What more is there to say?
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
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What more is there to say?
Greece and Hungary are in legal proceedings about the implementation of these regulations. Hopefully they'll start cutting back on illegal timber imports.
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What more is there to say?
Mr Karel Pinxten, Member of the Court of Auditors.
All that needs to be said is that the EU is incompetent and glacially slow to respond to problems - in this case a $100bn industry. Yet some people support it as if it is the "promised land".
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