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    "They did not believe they could win an election if they told you what they were going to do because people are so wedded to the NHS." ~ Michael Portillo.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12250186
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Junior doctors (eg, all those doctors below the Consultant level) have been fighting government plans to increase their default hours and to pay them the same rate for Saturdays and late evening working.

    Now Jeremy Hunt is going to impose the contract regardless of BMA attempts to negotiate.
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...junior-doctors

    Hospital doctors are furious about this and it is likely they will walk out altogether, effectively collapsing NHS hospital care. This is against a background of the government demanding a further £20bn cut in spending.

    This seems to be the Tory game plan. It's long been the case that the New Conservatives want to undermine the NHS - they want to give it to private healthcare companies like Richard Branson's Virgin Health to run. This appears to be part of that campaign.

    Sad days ahead for what used to be one of the greatest British things, a free and fair health system. :sad:
    Of course:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6865306.html

    https://whatwouldvirchowdo.files.wor...odel_party.pdf

    What are people going to do about it? Nothing the British are all talk and cowards.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    Of course:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6865306.html

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Direct-Democ.../dp/0955059801

    What are people going to do about it? Nothing the British are all talk and cowards.
    You advocating striking or something? :confused:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    You advocating striking or something? :confused:
    No. I am advocating hanging this government for treason.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    No. I am advocating hanging this government for treason.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    "They did not believe they could win an election if they told you what they were going to do because people are so wedded to the NHS." ~ Michael Portillo.



    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12250186
    Portillo wasn't totally letting the whole cat out of the bag though, for 'reforms', he meant 'closure' and replacement by a private system.
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    Ah man -_-

    So yeah... The time to overthrow the government is about... Now!

    Go.
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    (Original post by timetoella)
    Ah man -_-

    So yeah... The time to overthrow the government is about... Now!

    Go.
    Wont happen, Too divided, we cant stand. Multiculturalism has left us defenseless.

    That was the plan all along :\
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Portillo wasn't totally letting the whole cat out of the bag though, for 'reforms', he meant 'closure' and replacement by a private system.
    I bet that doesn't actually happen though. Proclaiming the Tories want to end the NHS got boring 20 years ago.
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    (Original post by pol pot noodles)
    I bet that doesn't actually happen though. Proclaiming the Tories want to end the NHS got boring 20 years ago.
    Most of them definitely do. They even write books saying so. But they know it is political suicide to do so. But since 2010 there has been a strong lurch around to activity that can be seen as the slow start to dismantling of the NHS.

    It's like how Corbyn is a fan of Marx. But the platform he stands on is not a trotskyist one. Right wingers fear for creeping socialism. Left wingers fear for creeping Thatcherism into public services like NHS.
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    No, I don't think so. If we currently had more elective care at the weekends, and the Conservatives were trying to reduce it, everyone would be screaming about them trying to cut back on the NHS.

    It is ludicrous to say that efforts to improve doctor cover and elective care at the weekends is an attempt to dismantle the NHS. I can certainly understand junior doctor anger about average pay reduction and an increase in weekend working, but trying to frame this as "Tories try to destroy the NHS" is disingenuous.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Most of them definitely do. They even write books saying so. But they know it is political suicide to do so. But since 2010 there has been a strong lurch around to activity that can be seen as the slow start to dismantling of the NHS.

    It's like how Corbyn is a fan of Marx. But the platform he stands on is not a trotskyist one. Right wingers fear for creeping socialism. Left wingers fear for creeping Thatcherism into public services like NHS.
    Who? What books?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Most of them definitely do. They even write books saying so. But they know it is political suicide to do so. But since 2010 there has been a strong lurch around to activity that can be seen as the slow start to dismantling of the NHS.

    It's like how Corbyn is a fan of Marx. But the platform he stands on is not a trotskyist one. Right wingers fear for creeping socialism. Left wingers fear for creeping Thatcherism into public services like NHS.
    ... and the centre-wingers have a useless party
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    (Original post by chemting)
    ... and the centre-wingers have a useless party
    No. It's just that it common for people to hide their actual more ideological views for practicality reasons.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    The conditions are no different to what any member of the armed forces (including, I'll add, the many medics and doctors employed by the forces) faces. Is there any particular reason they aren't getting the same public support?
    Awful, tory logic that.

    The fact that the armed forces are underpaid is no reason to underpay others.
    It's what the tories rely on. 'Don't hate us for reducing your pay, because you're still better off than other really underpaid people'.
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    What happens now? Oh yes, all the JDs sign their new contracts and shut up and get back to work and everybody remains overly attached to the NHS.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    No. I am advocating hanging this government for treason.
    Last I checked the only treasonous crimes that still exist relate to high treason, and I'm not exactly sure how the government has committed high treason.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Awful, tory logic that.

    The fact that the armed forces are underpaid is no reason to underpay others.
    It's what the tories rely on. 'Don't hate us for reducing your pay, because you're still better off than other really underpaid people'.
    A- I'm not a Tory.
    B- that's not why I brought it up. We're all for equality, yes? Well a junior doctor in one government department is not getting the same wage or same deal as a junior doctor with exactly the same qualifications and experience in another government department. Yes there's the argument that they volunteered for it, but they both volunteered. And the armed forces doctors are used by the NHS when not on deployment, but they're not allowed to be in a union to fight their corner.
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    And the armed forces doctors are used by the NHS when not on deployment, but they're not allowed to be in a union to fight their corner.
    Completely agree, and because of u ion laws, nobody can engage in sympathy strikes to help the situation.
 
 
 
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