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    (Original post by h8skoooooool)
    What do you mean by 'men being against women'? And of course people find certain things attractive, but it would just be nice for a woman to expose her hairy legs and armpits without it being labelled 'gross'
    It can be labelled gross if someone thinks it's gross simple as that. I was just pointing out that they focus on trivial matters. It is not important that the standards of beauty are such that shaved legs and skinny body types are found attractive, such things come and go. In every period history there were standards of beauty and some people choose to follow them those who dont should not object to other people finding them unattractive. That aside, it is not an important compared to equal opportunities in employment. Less than 10% of judges are female, most high salary managerial jobs are taken by men, women still are pressured not to study certain subjects like engineering at uni and we live in a world where female circumcision and forced marriage is everyday practise in some parts.

    If you want to be pragmatic and let your voice be heard, you should isolate yourself from everyone by calling them your enemy,deliberately looking gross, being offended by everything, associating pubes with female empowerment, calling everyone a rapist and so on and so forth. They have managed to isolate themselves from the rest of the population with such approaches to issues and I wouldnt act as such if I was them.
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    (Original post by TrotskyiteRebel)
    It can be labelled gross if someone thinks it's gross simple as that. I was just pointing out that they focus on trivial matters. It is not important that the standards of beauty are such that shaved legs and skinny body types are found attractive, such things come and go. In every period history there were standards of beauty and some people choose to follow them those who dont should not object to other people finding them unattractive. That aside, it is not an important compared to equal opportunities in employment. Less than 10% of judges are female, most high salary managerial jobs are taken by men, women still are pressured not to study certain subjects like engineering at uni and we live in a world where female circumcision and forced marriage is everyday practise in some parts.

    If you want to be pragmatic and let your voice be heard, you should isolate yourself from everyone by calling them your enemy,deliberately looking gross, being offended by everything, associating pubes with female empowerment, calling everyone a rapist and so on and so forth. They have managed to isolate themselves from the rest of the population with such approaches to issues and I wouldnt act as such if I was them.
    But the issue is the double standard with female bodily hair being labelled gross and male bodily hair being acceptable.

    Of course those issues are important, no one would argue with that. Feminists are very involved in these issues as well.

    I don't understand why you paint such a negative view of feminists - like 'deliberately looking gross', who are you talking about here? They don't isolate themselves and call out enemies, which is why the movement is growing so fast because both men and women agree with the issues raised. You sound incredibly ignorant, when did feminists call everyone a rapist? You need some credible evidence to back up these claims
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    Not as annoying as 18 year old ex-public school misogynists.
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    (Original post by returnmigrant)
    Not as annoying as 18 year old ex-public school misogynists.
    I'm not 18, I'm 21
    how can someone be ex-public school?
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    I'm getting tired of hearing about the whole lot of it to be honest. I'm tired of all of the PC garbage spouted in the media and by the public and that people can be offended over the most minor of things. This is not the world that those who sacrificed themselves during the Second World War fought for. The world we have today is a horrid mess and feminists(the extreme ones that is, not your every day equal rights advocate, they're fine) are just the tip of a very sharp iceberg.
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    (Original post by TrotskyiteRebel)
    I mean I am all for equal opportunities and gender equality but I think mainstream feminists are pissing everyone off. I am a socialist myself but I don't go quote the communist manifesto to everyone because I know some people arent interested.
    There are so many issues like the average salary of women being 30% less than that of men, like less than 10% of judges being women and we all know about what women have to go through in the middle east and africa. But feminists... They're concerned with women shaving their legs?!!!! They wanted to kill the royal baby because it was a boy?!!! They propose that a woman should be able to abort her child even after birth?! They encourage other women who are biologically heterosexual to sleep with other women. I mean what the ****?!!!!!! Why do they want to make women hate men?!
    Your views of feminists are very Eurocentric. You mentioned what women in the Middle East and Africa (the generalisation was silly) are going through yet it's as if you don't realise that there are feminists in those regions as well fighting for equality. Besides, many feminists in the West focus on important issues such as domestic violence and rape, it is a vocal minority who scream about the issues you mentioned.
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    I don't understand how exposing hairy legs and armpits to world are "revolutionary" and "empowering". The funny thing feminists is they grow out their legs for the purpose of showing it off. There is no law enforcing women to have nice, smooth, and hairless legs, so... what so "empowering" about showing off hairy ones?

    If a woman has hairy legs and armpits, at most some one will call it gross and go on with their day. It is not that serious for someone to call hairy legs gross.
    Also not everything women do is attractive. Men are do not have to find hairy legs "cute", lol.
    Ugh, if only third wave feminists spent their time on real issues...

    Third wave feminists have always been annoying. Their "issues" are ridiculous and has somethin to do with boosting their self esteem.
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    (Original post by Reaver Daniels)
    Feminists are literally a plague on society nowadays.


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    (Original post by Macy1998)
    I don't understand how exposing hairy legs and armpits to world are "revolutionary" and "empowering". The funny thing feminists is they grow out their legs for the purpose of showing it off. There is no law enforcing women to have nice, smooth, and hairless legs, so... what so "empowering" about showing off hairy ones?

    If a woman has hairy legs and armpits, at most some one will call it gross and go on with their day. It is not that serious for someone to call hairy legs gross.
    Also not everything women do is attractive. Men are do not have to find hairy legs "cute", lol.
    Ugh, if only third wave feminists spent their time on real issues...

    Third wave feminists have always been annoying. Their "issues" are ridiculous and has somethin to do with boosting their self esteem.
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    Firstly, anyone who aspires to be 'like a man' is an idiot. Aspire to be different and to have equal opportunity at life (which was the initial point of feminism). Secondly, feminism (yes, I will generalise as the one's who are rational and feminist are a VERY small minority) has become about giving women the upper hand and creating a generation of beta males who should feel guilty for not only being men but for being alive. Emotions are far too important in scholarly debate about gender gaps, and when statistics are shown, feminists will disregard them as being irrelevant.
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    Yea I sort of agree with Aceadria. Women are not men. We are biologically different, we have different hormone, play different roles in reproduction and have different behavioural qualities. I cant get why should women want to be men? I think it is technically possible with artificial insemination from sperm banks but would anyone be happy like that?
    I think we should celebrate our differences while fighting for equal opportunities for both sexes. I mean do you think them ultra-radical feminists with blue short hair and hairy are happy? Their freedom to do whatever they want to do but they are offended by everything, get mad all the time, socially isolated, under sexual tension and oblivious of what is it they are really fighting for. I don't get how can they be happy like that. I dont think women are now equal to men not by the slightest, there is a loooooong way to go but we need a new approach to equality. How can women try to be like men shame men for being men? Does it even make much sense?
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    (Original post by Macy1998)
    I don't understand how exposing hairy legs and armpits to world are "revolutionary" and "empowering". The funny thing feminists is they grow out their legs for the purpose of showing it off. There is no law enforcing women to have nice, smooth, and hairless legs, so... what so "empowering" about showing off hairy ones?

    If a woman has hairy legs and armpits, at most some one will call it gross and go on with their day. It is not that serious for someone to call hairy legs gross.
    Also not everything women do is attractive. Men are do not have to find hairy legs "cute", lol.
    Ugh, if only third wave feminists spent their time on real issues...

    Third wave feminists have always been annoying. Their "issues" are ridiculous and has somethin to do with boosting their self esteem.
    I think like 50% of ppl dont even look at their legs and the other 50% do not see any point in giving any brain energy to their philosophy behind hairy legs. They'll just assume they couldnt be bothered or something.
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    There should always be equality for eveyone, everywhere.
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    I'm all for equality however a lot of the interaction I have had with 'feminists' are not about having that. It is now not a movement for equality it is a movement to say things unchallenged and if someone agrees with them they are either racis, sexist, a victim blamer etc.

    I am apparently a victim blamer and defend peadophiles by saying innocent until proven guilty according to a feminist
    Apparently Am sexist and I don't believe women can argue in facts for pointing out a someone didn't use 1 in a argument

    And feminists like germane Greer can come out with what she said about transgender people and get awards for it.

    What feminists and the media have to do is stop giving every woman who says women deserve more the title feminist as it diminishes what true feminism is about true equality.
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    (Original post by Macy1998)
    I don't understand how exposing hairy legs and armpits to world are "revolutionary" and "empowering". The funny thing feminists is they grow out their legs for the purpose of showing it off. There is no law enforcing women to have nice, smooth, and hairless legs, so... what so "empowering" about showing off hairy ones?
    It's not about any "law", it's about social perceptions; namely, that men can have any amount of hair on their bodies and not face as much judgement from other members of the human race compared the judgement women with body hair face.

    Women, largely, are socially "forced" to shave in an attempt to fit the image of the ideal female form that the media perpetuates (in the same way that the media perpetuate the male form as being akin to He-Man. Obviously both are generalisations and aren't always prevalent attitudes of the media, but they do follow a trend).

    If a woman has hairy legs and armpits, at most some one will call it gross and go on with their day. It is not that serious for someone to call hairy legs gross.
    Also not everything women do is attractive. Men are do not have to find hairy legs "cute", lol.
    Ugh, if only third wave feminists spent their time on real issues...
    Bolded bit: Most people don't think otherwise. Women piss, fart, and **** just like everyone else. They also grow body hair naturally like everybody else, so why should they feel pressured into shaving it?

    Italicised bit: you've missed the point. Feminists aren't expecting people to think that they're attractive if they don't shave their legs, merely that women shouldn't be judged for having leg hair.

    If you don't think that challenging social perceptions of half of the damn population is a "real issue", then pray tell what is?
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    It's not about any "law", it's about social perceptions; namely, that men can have any amount of hair on their bodies and not face as much judgement from other members of the human race compared the judgement women with body hair face.

    Women, largely, are socially "forced" to shave in an attempt to fit the image of the ideal female form that the media perpetuates (in the same way that the media perpetuate the male form as being akin to He-Man. Obviously both are generalisations and aren't always prevalent attitudes of the media, but they do follow a trend).



    Bolded bit: Most people don't think otherwise. Women piss, fart, and **** just like everyone else. They also grow body hair naturally like everybody else, so why should they feel pressured into shaving it?

    Italicised bit: you've missed the point. Feminists aren't expecting people to think that they're attractive if they don't shave their legs, merely that women shouldn't be judged for having leg hair.

    If you don't think that challenging social perceptions of half of the damn population is a "real issue", then pray tell what is?
    I also ****, I'm not going going to use toilet paper anymore though to challenge social perceptions. Why should other people dislike the scent of my ****?!!! I'm going to challenge that social perception too. Good idea
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    I agree with some of the things that has been said here, however I think that 'feminism' is often given negative connotations which need to be abolished. Of course, there are 'feminists' who are leaning more towards fighting for a female supremacist society than an equal one. This I can agree may be counted as 'annoying', however it has come through oppression and the need for a voice. In its essence feminism is more than that- it is about connecting both men and women to make an equal and diverse society.

    I would call myself a feminist. However that does not mean that I believe that we should be the same as men or put on a pedestal. I believe in equality, accepting each person for their strengths and weaknesses, and working together to create a society in which neither males nor females nor anyone in between or outside are given varying treatment due to stereotypes. This goes for wages or appearance. Issues such as fair pay is spoken about a lot. It needs to be, if it is not brought up, how will it change?

    As far as not shaving goes... It's a small gesture, but, as Drunk Punx pointed out, it's more about not being rejected or there being prejudice over women not shaving their legs. I shave my legs as they end up silky smooth which is fun, but because of media pressure and to be 'attractive'... Don't make me laugh. This should not be the case. Especially when men can resemble gorillas and be labelled as 'manly' and 'hot' whereas a women would be deemed by the media as 'unsanitary' and 'masculine'. Does this really seem like the equal and modern society that some people are under the impression we live in?

    All this is just in the UK, it gets even worse further afield.

    I could go on and on.
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    This is so difficult to answer, because on one hand I would say a lot of feminists come across as annoying because of their approach, one the other hand people finding them annoying and labelling them as the "plague of society" makes me want feminism to rise and conquer because it feels like they are taking issue not with the feminists themselves, but with what they are saying.
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    (Original post by TrotskyiteRebel)
    I also ****, I'm not going going to use toilet paper anymore though to challenge social perceptions. Why should other people dislike the scent of my ****?!!! I'm going to challenge that social perception too. Good idea
    I like how after being told you were missing the point you decided to prove him wrong by missing the point by an even greater degree. Smart move.
 
 
 
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