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    (Original post by crypticlocker)
    I believe you are referring to Anita Sarkesian who is proved to have little prior experience in the media/video games industry.

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    The **** kind of experience do you need to be an expert in computer games?? They don't matter FYI.
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    (Original post by TrotskyiteRebel)
    I also ****, I'm not going going to use toilet paper anymore though to challenge social perceptions. Why should other people dislike the scent of my ****?!!! I'm going to challenge that social perception too. Good idea
    I'm not quite sure how you've managed to conflate intentionally partially soiling yourself with growing hair, but cool story bro.
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    The **** kind of experience do you need to be an expert in computer games?? They don't matter FYI.
    Do you know the difference between ray tracing and ray casting?
    Do you know what procedural rendering is? And do you know how it differs from standard rendering techniques?
    Do you know the difference between Unreal and Cry engines?

    An expert would likely have the answers to these questions. I realise I'm probably taking your post out of context (what with having not read any of the discussion between you and whoever you were replying to), but IMO having a working knowledge of video games (and not just the technical dev aspects) makes you infinitely more qualified to comment on video game related issues compared to someone who isn't.

    Thing is, Sarkesian (as far as I'm aware) isn't an "expert in the field" as far as video games is concerned. She just made a bunch of culturally based observations, threw some feminist rhetoric together in a bid to justify her argument, and applied them to video games, which caused a bunch of basement dwellers to lose their **** and go full retard. It was quite the kerfuffle. Amusing thing is, neither side were particularly conducive to making the video game industry an appealing career to go into (you've got a choice of your fan-base potentially being made up of angsty neckbeards, and/or having your art slated by feminist critics due to the women in your game not fitting in with their ideals. Joy).

    I wouldn't mind seeing more women in video games. But doing it purely so that there are more women in video games is *****y rhetoric to use. It's basically "I want this because I want it."

    I've gone off on somewhat of a tangent.

    But yeah, video games. Srs business.
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    Feminists don't understand the world
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    Trust me. At my school in English Literature I am the only guy in the class, plus 6 girls. We were learning about the feminist theory and applying it to texts. Randomly, I got questions lashed at me because I am a man?
    Last week I said society is becoming diverse as women are now getting equality. Next minute a girl who is a feminist shouts at me saying "women don't have equality at all. You men are all the same. You represent patriarchy."
    It is kind of annoying as they see ALL men as the enemy. Men like me respect women.
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    (Original post by Salma Shaan)
    woman are just as good as men in sports and other fields yet even still the olympics is split woman can't compete with men.
    That's due to the inherent biological differences between men and women than the social perceptions of either. All the feminism in the world isn't going to change the fact that men are generally naturally stronger than women, which would surely give them an unfair edge in any sports-based competition, no? To separate the sexes creates more of a level playing field with which to compete on.

    (Original post by Salma Shaan)
    Yes, because it would be unfair
    If you understand that it would be unfair, then why bother typing out the above?

    like in boxing or other "MANLY" sports which have no place in the olympics. disgusting attacking another human being in some loony "sport" is not acceptable attacking someone and then using the term as a sport is the kind of thing which needs to be banned from our society
    Terrible justification due to it being completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

    especially "sports" like football, rugby, boxing and other contact "sports", and I would also throw cricket in there, because, men would clearly start bowling bouncers at women if they played together because women can't bowl as fast as men. So, if a ball is bowled over a specific speed limit it should be considered a no-ball, in fact fast bowling should be banned altogether only spin bowling should be allowed. And the bats can't the huge either like many men use as that would be an unfair advantage a woman can't carry such a large and heavy bat, so there should be a standardized size for the bats too. And at least one of the three umpires should be a woman, not all male.
    You're a terrible feminist. And more than likely a troll. I've come across many feminist arguments that have been poorly constructed in my time, but you're taking the piss :lol:

    At least, I hope you're a troll...
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    Do you know the difference between ray tracing and ray casting?
    Do you know what procedural rendering is? And do you know how it differs from standard rendering techniques?
    Do you know the difference between Unreal and Cry engines?

    An expert would likely have the answers to these questions. I realise I'm probably taking your post out of context (what with having not read any of the discussion between you and whoever you were replying to), but IMO having a working knowledge of video games (and not just the technical dev aspects) makes you infinitely more qualified to comment on video game related issues compared to someone who isn't.

    Thing is, Sarkesian (as far as I'm aware) isn't an "expert in the field" as far as video games is concerned. She just made a bunch of culturally based observations, threw some feminist rhetoric together in a bid to justify her argument, and applied them to video games, which caused a bunch of basement dwellers to lose their **** and go full retard. It was quite the kerfuffle. Amusing thing is, neither side were particularly conducive to making the video game industry an appealing career to go into (you've got a choice of your fan-base potentially being made up of angsty neckbeards, and/or having your art slated by feminist critics due to the women in your game not fitting in with their ideals. Joy).

    I wouldn't mind seeing more women in video games. But doing it purely so that there are more women in video games is *****y rhetoric to use. It's basically "I want this because I want it."

    I've gone off on somewhat of a tangent.

    But yeah, video games. Srs business.
    Yeah I just don't care about video games ngl
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    Yeah I just don't care about video games ngl
    But... they're so fun :cry2:
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    (Original post by h8skoooooool)
    I think that's an unfair comparison, and not at all what I was suggesting. Society, on the whole, tends to view a woman's bodily hair less favourably than a man's for no valid reason. Excrement is just gross regardless of whether it came out of a woman's backside or a man's.
    Whilst I disagree with your comment, most people seem to have spectacularly missed the point (especially the guy talking about defecating lmao). To give an actual counterexample, what if a guy went around wearing lipstick and mascara and eyeshadow? Or what if a guy went out wearing tights or a skirt or a crop top? People would take the piss of course. But that doesn't mean we're all being sexist and we should burn in hell.

    You said women who don't shave their legs shouldn't be considered 'gross', but here gross is just a synonym for unattractive. And like it or not, most men would probably find shaved legs more attractive than unshaved legs. Similarly, most women would likely find a guy who wore visible makeup or women's clothing unattractive; still wouldn't make it an issue of sexism!
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    (Original post by SmashConcept)
    They don't matter FYI.
    Ugh... stop mansplaining
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    (Original post by Luke Kostanjsek)
    Whilst I disagree with your comment, most people seem to have spectacularly missed the point (especially the guy talking about defecating lmao). To give an actual counterexample, what if a guy went around wearing lipstick and mascara and eyeshadow? Or what if a guy went out wearing tights or a skirt or a crop top? People would take the piss of course. But that doesn't mean we're all being sexist and we should burn in hell.

    You said women who don't shave their legs shouldn't be considered 'gross', but here gross is just a synonym for unattractive. And like it or not, most men would probably find shaved legs more attractive than unshaved legs. Similarly, most women would likely find a guy who wore visible makeup or women's clothing unattractive; still wouldn't make it an issue of sexism!
    Considering that subjective attractiveness isn't relevant here, and that within this particular context we're talking about the judgements that society passes down on women who don't shave (or indeed, men wearing make-up), it's you who's missed the point.

    It's an issue of challenging social perceptions. Why would people take the piss out of a guy wearing a skirt? And why take the piss out of women who don't shave?
    Because society thinks that people should adhere to gender stereotypes (women should be feminine, men should be masculine) and the people taking the piss feel that their delicate sensibilities are being upset when people don't fit within those categories, so they lash out and criticise without thinking about the bigger picture.

    Also, "the guy talking about defecating" was me. Hi :wavey:
    It was meant to highlight that women perform the same bodily functions as men. So to put women on a pedestal that was built by traditionalists on the basis of maintaining the social perception of the feminine ideal is kinda messed up considering that everybody poops.
    You can tell women that they should be shaving, wearing make-up, and dress appropriately for their gender all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they enjoy dropping a big log at the end of the day same as everybody else. Which makes those things (make-up, shaving, dressing appropriately) redundant as they're based on aesthetic qualities, not inherent qualities. At which point you have to ask why society is bothering to maintain the aforementioned perceptions of the feminine ideal. So yeah, that point went over a lot of peoples' heads completely. Including yours. Granted I didn't explain it very well in the first place, but I thought it was kinda obvious *shrugs*
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    Considering that subjective attractiveness isn't relevant here, and that within this particular context we're talking about the judgements that society passes down on women who don't shave (or indeed, men wearing make-up), it's you who's missed the point.

    It's an issue of challenging social perceptions. Why would people take the piss out of a guy wearing a skirt? And why take the piss out of women who don't shave?
    Because society thinks that people should adhere to gender stereotypes (women should be feminine, men should be masculine) and the people taking the piss feel that their delicate sensibilities are being upset when people don't fit within those categories, so they lash out and criticise without thinking about the bigger picture.

    Also, "the guy talking about defecating" was me. Hi :wavey:
    It was meant to highlight that women perform the same bodily functions as men. So to put women on a pedestal that was built by traditionalists on the basis of maintaining the social perception of the feminine ideal is kinda messed up considering that everybody poops.
    You can tell women that they should be shaving, wearing make-up, and dress appropriately for their gender all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that they enjoy dropping a big log at the end of the day same as everybody else. Which makes those things (make-up, shaving, dressing appropriately) redundant as they're based on aesthetic qualities, not inherent qualities. At which point you have to ask why society is bothering to maintain the aforementioned perceptions of the feminine ideal. So yeah, that point went over a lot of peoples' heads completely. Including yours. Granted I didn't explain it very well in the first place, but I thought it was kinda obvious *shrugs*
    Subjective attractiveness is all that's relevant here, as far as I can tell. You say that we judge women that don't shave; well give me one way we do that asides from make a judgement on their attractiveness. We hardly withhold public services from women who don't shave, we don't demand they were trousers if the don't shave. The only way a women who doesn't shave is possibly judged is someone thinking 'She doesn't shave. I don't find that particularly attractive'.

    And the bit about women being feminine and men being masculine, I think you've got the cause and effect backwards. Society doesn't demand that men are masculine and women are feminine; I know plenty of people who don't adhere to this and I'm sure you do too. But more women are feminine and men masculine, cause that's what we tend to find attractive. Most men are attracted to feminine women, and most women are attracted to masculine men. And ultimately, that's the main reason people worry about their appearance at all; it's by definition about how people see you. You could argue that we've been 'brainwashed' - for want of a better word - into being attracted by these qualities by the media i suppose, but then I'm pretty sure masculine men and feminine women have been considered attractive for centuries, so unless Ye Olde Sunday Times was also spreading this I'm not sure that'd stack up.
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    (Original post by TrotskyiteRebel)
    I mean I am all for equal opportunities and gender equality but I think mainstream feminists are pissing everyone off. I am a socialist myself but I don't go quote the communist manifesto to everyone because I know some people arent interested.
    There are so many issues like the average salary of women being 30% less than that of men, like less than 10% of judges being women and we all know about what women have to go through in the middle east and africa. But feminists... They're concerned with women shaving their legs?!!!! They wanted to kill the royal baby because it was a boy?!!! They propose that a woman should be able to abort her child even after birth?! They encourage other women who are biologically heterosexual to sleep with other women. I mean what the ****?!!!!!! Why do they want to make women hate men?!
    No but radical ones are.
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    What you described isn't feminism, it's bored idiot feminazi's :')


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    (Original post by Luke Kostanjsek)
    Whilst I disagree with your comment, most people seem to have spectacularly missed the point (especially the guy talking about defecating lmao). To give an actual counterexample, what if a guy went around wearing lipstick and mascara and eyeshadow? Or what if a guy went out wearing tights or a skirt or a crop top? People would take the piss of course. But that doesn't mean we're all being sexist and we should burn in hell.

    You said women who don't shave their legs shouldn't be considered 'gross', but here gross is just a synonym for unattractive. And like it or not, most men would probably find shaved legs more attractive than unshaved legs. Similarly, most women would likely find a guy who wore visible makeup or women's clothing unattractive; still wouldn't make it an issue of sexism!
    But your example still doesn't explain it. I said earlier that women and men may find bodily hair unattractive on a potential partner and that's okay. People have their likes and dislikes, it's just like choosing blondes over brunettes.

    However, it's only women that are viewed negatively for not shaving. I've experienced it myself. It's not just men who aren't attracted to hairy women, it's friends and family and people on the street who look down on you for it. If anyone can give me a valid reason why women should shave and men shouldn't, then I'd love to hear it.

    Your example of the man wearing makeup and women's clothes is interesting really. In my opinion, (as long as the clothes fit and he's not indecently exposed) there shouldn't be an issue with a man doing such things.

    I think we need to be careful with the word 'sexism' as a lot of the time the problem is not to do with discrimination, but more to do with gender roles and how society views men and women individually. Society expects women to shave and men not to wear makeup - and feminists want to know why. We're just trying to challenge the views held by the majority of people.
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    (Original post by h8skoooooool)
    But your example still doesn't explain it. I said earlier that women and men may find bodily hair unattractive on a potential partner and that's okay. People have their likes and dislikes, it's just like choosing blondes over brunettes.

    However, it's only women that are viewed negatively for not shaving. I've experienced it myself. It's not just men who aren't attracted to hairy women, it's friends and family and people on the street who look down on you for it. If anyone can give me a valid reason why women should shave and men shouldn't, then I'd love to hear it.

    Your example of the man wearing makeup and women's clothes is interesting really. In my opinion, (as long as the clothes fit and he's not indecently exposed) there shouldn't be an issue with a man doing such things.

    I think we need to be careful with the word 'sexism' as a lot of the time the problem is not to do with discrimination, but more to do with gender roles and how society views men and women individually. Society expects women to shave and men not to wear makeup - and feminists want to know why. We're just trying to challenge the views held by the majority of people.
    personally i couldn't give a **** whether you shave or not but at least hygiene for me personally must be an upheld standard(eg. don't smell of ****, take showers everday brush your teeth.) why people look down on women for not shaving is still a mystery to me, sure it doesn't look as good but there isn't a reason i can think of why they should be looked down upon. It's all about conforming to societies standards and how they expect you to be.
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    (Original post by thefatone)
    personally i couldn't give a **** whether you shave or not but at least hygiene for me personally must be an upheld standard(eg. don't smell of ****, take showers everday brush your teeth.) why people look down on women for not shaving is still a mystery to me, sure it doesn't look as good but there isn't a reason i can think of why they should be looked down upon. It's all about conforming to societies standards and how they expect you to be.
    Of course, but hygiene has nothing to do with shaving. Why is it that people think it doesn't look as good? Probably the same reason why they don't think stretch lines look good, or fat rolls; because these ideas have been fed to them by the media - encouraging women to buy beauty products like razors.
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    (Original post by h8skoooooool)
    Of course, but hygiene has nothing to do with shaving. Why is it that people think it doesn't look as good? Probably the same reason why they don't think stretch lines look good, or fat rolls; because these ideas have been fed to them by the media - encouraging women to buy beauty products like razors.
    Correct, bascially images of "perfection" have been ingrained into ppl by society, if they don't look beautiful or remotely like the "perfect image" then they don't look good or whatever bs
 
 
 
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