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    what does non commisioned mean

    do you become an officer straight away when you become an ac aircrew (eg corporal)

    Non-Commissioned means you do not hold the Queens Commission which you only get in the RAF once you pass IOT.

    NCO Aircrew once passing out of Halton are appointed to the rank of Sergeant Aircrew.

    (Original post by andrew_200)
    what does non commisioned mean

    do you become an officer straight away when you become an ac aircrew (eg corporal)
    No, Corporals, Sergeants etc are NCO's (Non-Commissioned Officers). This essentially means they are not officers even though it's in the title.

    The easiest way to look at it is in terms of a manufacturing company. The RAF are split up into 3 hierarchical groups, Senior Officers, Officers and Non-Commissioned, where officers and senior officers hold commissions. Non-Commissioned ranks are Leading Aircraftman to Warrant Officer. Officer ranks are Pilot Officer to Air Commodore and Senior Officer ranks are Air Vice-Marshal to Marshal of the Royal Air Force.

    A commission basically means that you are bestowed with some of the Queen authority, i.e. when you give an order, you are speaking on behalf of the Queen and it has the same impotence as if she had said it her self. A Commissioned officer is like a mobile vessel for the Queens authority.

    So coming back to our analogy, The non-commissioned ranks are like the people on the shop floor who make what ever the company makes, the officers are the management and the senior officers are like the directors of the company.

    Within the people in the factory are people who are in charge of a team that’ll make a certain item. They are just the same as everyone else, except that they have perhaps more experience or are just better at the job. They are known as a line manager because they manage the line, but they are not managers in the same sense that the managers are, they are still factory workers.

    So Corporals, Sergeant, Flight Sergeants, Warrant Officers etc are in charge of teams of people i.e. the engine bay, where they are the senior non-commission person, this is why they are called Non-Commissioned Officers, because they have some authority over their team, but they are not officers in the same way that officers are.

    Ok, now I’m waffling. Does this make any sense? If you would like me to elaborate on any part, just ask. :rolleyes:
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    CV Helper
    To be a tiny bit pedantic, officers aren't split up like that. Junior officers are Acting Pilot Officer through to Flight Lieutenant, senior officers are Squadron Leaders through to Group Captains, and Air Commodores through to Marshals of the Royal Air Force are Air Officers.
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