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    There is no evidence lol
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    There is no scientific reason or proof that points to God's existence. That's why theologians invented faith: they wanted philosophers and their followers to stop questioning their sacred teachings and texts and so advocated that their flock stop thinking. Later, it was enforced with the threat of violence.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Please, I literally need help understanding the sky comment.
    tbh
    i dont usually give up on my weaker students but you seem like you should be leavingthecity

    jokes lol dont take it to heart
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    i guess it does

    well St Nicholas=Santa and he was actually a real guy who was very rich and near Christmas he would go and drop off gold coins or something in peoples chimneys

    we did this in Re

    so yh i do believe in him he was a walking living guy for goodness sake:rolleyes:
    St Nicholas != Santa Claus.

    St Nicholas was a philanthropic Bishop. He died. After his death, the legend of Santa Claus was invented, for fun.

    St Nicholas probably existed. Santa Claus does not. It's Santa Claus that I said I believed in, not St Nicholas.

    I also believe in unicorns. Do you have an explanation for that as well, or do you think I'm crazy as a bag of cats?
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    St Nicholas != Santa Claus.

    St Nicholas was a philanthropic Bishop. He died. After his death, the legend of Santa Claus was invented, for fun.

    St Nicholas probably existed. Santa Claus does not. It's Santa Claus that I said I believed in, not St Nicholas.

    I also believe in unicorns. Do you have an explanation for that as well, or do you think I'm crazy as a bag of cats?
    well my Re teacher has being teaching this for years i would think she would know what she's talking about

    but if santa claus is st Nicholas and you believe in santa then you'd have to believe in St Nicolas.. because they are the same person...

    well you believe in unicorns, why are you asking me for an explanation lol?
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    Yeah actually that's a fair point. Perhaps we have a responsibility to continue to try and dispel this disgusting archaic superstitious brainwashing, even though it seems futile.
    Yeah as tedious as it is...it's those things that should make us argue; all the types of discrimination they encourage ...
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    tbh
    i dont usually give up on my weaker students but you seem like you should be leavingthecity

    jokes lol dont take it to heart
    Don't worry, not taken to heart. But the thread is really looking for logical reasonings and experimental evidence from it's contributors
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Don't worry, not taken to heart. But the thread is really looking for logical reasonings and experimental evidence from it's contributors
    wow
    i know, and i said that maybe people shouldnt be looking for evidence
    because that's not believing
    that's a fact and you cant believe a fact because its just a fact...
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    i said that maybe people shouldnt be looking for evidence
    because that's not believing
    In terms that other people might use, wanting evidence before believing something is normal, rational and sensible. Believing something without supporting evidence is irrational, superstitious, bizarre and asking for trouble.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    In terms that other people might use, wanting evidence before believing something is normal, rational and sensible. Believing something without supporting evidence is irrational, superstitious, bizarre and asking for trouble.
    thats not believing then
    thats called accepting
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    wow
    i know, and i said that maybe people shouldnt be looking for evidence
    because that's not believing
    that's a fact and you cant believe a fact because its just a fact...
    We are back within the word game here.

    You can accept or reject facts.

    There is nothing wrong with requiring facts. It's discouraged because....well they often fly in the face of religion and educate people out of their dogmas.
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    thats not believing then
    thats called accepting
    Why do we need to just 'believe'? What spiritual mechanism is set in motion when a person decides to blindly believe? Why is this the only acceptable way to God?
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    We are back within the word game here.

    You can accept or reject facts.

    There is nothing wrong with requiring facts. It's discouraged because....well they often fly in the face of religion and educate people out of their dogmas.
    these words were invented for a reason because they dont mean the same thing

    huh? you cant reject a fact, a fact is proven and is undeniably true

    no theres nothing wrong for requiring facts
    but what kind of facts are you even looking for?
    do you want to see God, will a physical being make it evidence that God exist?

    how can you look for something when you dont know what youre looking for?
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Why do we need to just 'believe'? What spiritual mechanism is set in motion when a person decides to blindly believe? Why is this the only acceptable way to God?
    believe and you might find out

    no its not only just acceptable for God
    I'm sure you believe a lot of things that you have never seen with your eyes
    or you believe other people e.g scientists
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    but if santa claus is st Nicholas and you believe in santa then you'd have to believe in St Nicolas.. because they are the same person...
    They're not the same person. One of them is dead. The other one is a fantasy, or a legend, based around the first one. Who's dead. Just because a fantasy is based around something in reality doesn't make them the same thing.

    This is what I suspect has happened with religion. Real people existed, and real events happened that were impressive as far as mathematical coincidence goes. Then, because we didn't have any explanation for them at the time, we invented the fantasy of religion. Not to mention the control it gave us over other humans, but we won't go into that.

    Religion and God are inventions of human beings. That's the ironic thing, at the end of the day. Religious people think that God created us. It's actually the other way around. Religion was created in a time where superstition ruled supreme. Before science started contradicting it.

    (Original post by Ishea16)
    that's a fact and you cant believe a fact because its just a fact...
    Beg your pardon?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    these words were invented for a reason because they dont mean the same thing

    huh? you cant reject a fact, a fact is proven and is undeniably true

    no theres nothing wrong for requiring facts
    but what kind of facts are you even looking for?
    do you want to see God, will a physical being make it evidence that God exist?

    how can you look for something when you dont know what youre looking for?
    You can choose to reject a fact, in your own head is what I mean; the religious do this all the time.

    What evidence do I want specifically? Hmmm well that's a little like asking for a dish from a blank menu. So little has been offered up, its getting harder and harder to imagine where we might possibly find God if anywhere...

    Go on, waiter, what would you suggest?
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    believe and you might find out

    no its not only just acceptable for God
    I'm sure you believe a lot of things that you have never seen with your eyes
    or you believe other people e.g scientists
    I was raised a Christian
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    (Original post by Ishea16)
    do you want to see God, will a physical being make it evidence that God exist?
    If there is a God, I'd be happy with seeing far less evidence of his pure neglect and shoddiness. Not to mention cruelty and narrow-mindedness.

    And "evidence" would be something we can observe with our senses. As yet, there is none.

    Also, if religion didn't contradict itself so much, that would be a start. Not to mention different religions contradicting each other.

    God better face the fact that if he wants us to believe, then a little true evidence wouldn't go amiss. Something tangible. If faced with a massive contradiction, the human brain does tend towards disbelief logically.
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    They're not the same person. One of them is dead. The other one is a fantasy, or a legend, based around the first one. Who's dead. Just because a fantasy is based around something in reality doesn't make them the same thing.

    This is what I suspect has happened with religion. Real people existed, and real events happened that were impressive as far as mathematical coincidence goes. Then, because we didn't have any explanation for them at the time, we invented the fantasy of religion. Not to mention the control it gave us over other humans, but we won't go into that.

    Religion and God are inventions of human beings. That's the ironic thing, at the end of the day. Religious people think that God created us. It's actually the other way around. Religion was created in a time where superstition ruled supreme. Before science started contradicting it.



    Beg your pardon?
    what i mean is that a fact is undeniably true so whats there not to believe?

    fantasy? you just answered your own question, i thought you believed in santa??

    but how can the idea of God just come to someones mind?
    youre saying that because there was no explanation for things and that created the idea of God?
    that doesnt make any sense

    and science doesn't contradict religion
    it supports religion
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    I was raised a Christian
    soo..
    doesnt mean that you ever believed
 
 
 
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