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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    The reasons a person believes in God is proof enough that he is real to her. That is the point. No need for you to further question.
    I am done with discussing this with you anyway since you can't seem to understand.
    Totally irrelevant to the discussion. Believing something is real to you is not the same as it being proof that the thing is actually, objectively real. She claimed something, provided no evidence for it, and I questioned it. It seems you're the one who can't understand the point I'm making.
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    my post got deleted


    anyone with half a brain cell will be able to tell who the idiots on this thread are, regardless.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Totally irrelevant to the discussion. Believing something is real to you is not the same as it being proof that the thing is actually, objectively real. She claimed something, provided no evidence for it, and I questioned it. It seems you're the one who can't understand the point I'm making.
    I have stated several ways in which this evidence is obtained. Just because they are not good enough for you doesn't make it untrue.
    Anyway, we are getting nowhere with this. Have a good day
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I have stated several ways in which this evidence is obtained. Just because they are not good enough for you doesn't make it untrue.
    Anyway, we are getting nowhere with this. Have a good day
    You have provided no ways in which objective, rigorous evidence is obtained to prove God's existence, but now you're going off on a tangent.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    You have provided no ways in which objective, rigorous evidence is obtained to prove God's existence, but now you're going off on a tangent.
    I don't need to, he is real to me. Doesn't need to be explained or understood by you.

    How am I going off on a tangent? Don't you see we are going around in circles? That's why I can't be bothered anymore.
    Don't have a good day then?..
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    this is completely messed up. people with gender dysphoria need counselling and psychotherapy not mutilation and weekly hormone injections.
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    MFW I walk into threads like this...




    To everyone who disagrees with this: I would stay quiet, you aren't allowed an opinion.
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    (Original post by Ante Bellum)
    MFW I walk into threads like this...




    To everyone who disagrees with this: I would stay quiet, you aren't allowed an opinion.
    Yep basically
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I don't need to, he is real to me. Doesn't need to be explained or understood by you.
    That's nice, except I wasn't asking you to prove your God is real, I quoted Fluffy Cherry.

    How am I going off on a tangent? Don't you see we are going around in circles? That's why I can't be bothered anymore.
    Don't have a good day then?..
    You've said you can't be bothered anymore at least twice now and yet you're still quoting me, so feel free to stop.

    My original points still stands. She tried to justify her opinion with a claim that is backed up by no evidence whatsoever.
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    Could you artificially inseminate yourself then? Ha
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    That's nice, except I wasn't asking you to prove your God is real, I quoted Fluffy Cherry.



    You've said you can't be bothered anymore at least twice now and yet you're still quoting me, so feel free to stop.

    My original points still stands. She tried to justify her opinion with a claim that is backed up by no evidence whatsoever.
    Kk
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    Could you artificially inseminate yourself then? Ha
    I'd imagine it'd probably be some sort of ivf. Fertilised eggs that are placed in the donated uterus.
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    (Original post by Lukas101)
    Is this really possible? Technology might temporarily substitute anything but it won't last forever nor have the same effect as those originally created.
    Most people commenting haven't read past the Metro article. The surgery is primarily intended for women (born female) born without a uterus or have lost their uterus. The surgery has actually been performed before in other countries - this will just be the first time it will be performed in the US. It hasn't yet been performed on a transwoman (born male). For obvious reasons, a transwoman cannot conceive (as a mother), and there are other physiological complications involved. So I don't know why the papers chose to frame it this way in the headlines. Presumably to get clicks.
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    Yeah but based on what statistic or observation do you think that people against trans would change their minds when knowing that trans women can now give birth? That's my question.
    Have you heard of the Snowball Effect?

    "It has been found that once the minority begin to persuade people round to their way of thinking, a snowball effect begins to happen. This means that more and more people adopt the minority opinion, until gradually the minority becomes the majority. At this point, the people who have not changed their opinion are the minority, and they will often conform to the majority view as a result of group pressures."

    http://www.simplypsychology.org/a-level-social.html
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    (Original post by endzone123)
    this is completely messed up. people with gender dysphoria need counselling and psychotherapy not mutilation and weekly hormone injections.
    We have fought against gender conversion therapy to the point where it is illegal. It makes it so much worse. A trans* person sees a GP and specialists before getting HRT and more before surgery. It makes it so much better for the majority of us. Psychotherapy makes it sound like its wrong, abnormal and should be hidden. We are just as normal as you are.
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    (Original post by LoveTheDivergent)
    We have fought against gender conversion therapy to the point where it is illegal. It makes it so much worse. A trans* person sees a GP and specialists before getting HRT and more before surgery. It makes it so much better for the majority of us. Psychotherapy makes it sound like its wrong, abnormal and should be hidden. We are just as normal as you are.
    i know there's an established process that's followed but that in itself is not much of an argument. i don't want to be mean, but gender dysphoria is a rare psychiatric condition. you can't describe that as normal.

    i'm not advocating that you have to act in a certain gender normative way necessarily. i am questioning the prevailing wisdom that surgical nullification and lifelong hormone supplementation are necessary.

    imo, you can only justifiably support gender reassignment if you are in favour of all radical body modification (and are happy for it be to be publically funded). that includes lifelong steroid prescriptions for the lads who desperately want to get big, boob jobs, the lot.
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    They'll need to change their bone structure as well to have a child I doubt it'll be a success
    Tbh I don't want it to be successful


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    (Original post by loveleest)
    http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/22/revolu...ldren-5519000/


    What do you think of this?
    sounds really good to me
    There will be artificial wombs in a couple decades, soo...

    http://www.futuretimeline.net/21stce...omb-technology
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    (Original post by DedicatedWizard)
    Have you heard of the Snowball Effect?

    "It has been found that once the minority begin to persuade people round to their way of thinking, a snowball effect begins to happen. This means that more and more people adopt the minority opinion, until gradually the minority becomes the majority. At this point, the people who have not changed their opinion are the minority, and they will often conform to the majority view as a result of group pressures."

    http://www.simplypsychology.org/a-level-social.html
    Yes, everybody has heard of this snowball effect. What the hell has that to do with trans women being able to give birth? I asked you how trans women being able to give birth will change minds and you reply by explaining that once one person accepts trans women, more will follow. How irrelevant is that?

    Can you just retract your statement about how silly you were to make your initial statement?
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    (Original post by Butternuts96)
    Yes, everybody has heard of this snowball effect. What the hell has that to do with trans women being able to give birth? I asked you how trans women being able to give birth will change minds and you reply by explaining that once one person accepts trans women, more will follow. How irrelevant is that?

    Can you just retract your statement about how silly you were to make your initial statement?
    You're clearly being dense. He's implying that if we accept transsexuals (even more than we have), then there's far more we'll be inclined to accept (transracial, transpieces, etc).

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