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    (Original post by PQ)
    Ok

    I understand that.

    What I don't understand is how you expect a university to pay their staff and bills for the 7-10 years before the income comes through.

    £6 billion in staff wages and electricity/gas/rent bills due in 2016/17.You're saying they'll get that money in 2021/22. How do they fund the years in between?
    Get a loan.
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    As a taxpayer I also like to imagine I get to have a say. Unfortunately though, we don't really get to pick and chose what our tax contributions are spent on.

    You should realise that universities were not established as servants of industry. They were established as seats of learning, not as centers for vocational training fashioned to meet the whims of today's employers.

    What do you mean when you say a degree is useless. Suppose Rita studies literature. Is that useless because she might still end up working back at her old job as a hairdresser? I don't think a particular education is useless just because it doesn't meet employer needs.

    I tired of living in a world where everything is so damned utility. There is more to life than mindlessly contributing to GDP and if you are one of those free spirited individuals that can escape the trap then bloody good luck to you.
    The government has a lot of influence with universities for example, saying they can recruit as many students with AAB grades or above as they like. Anyway, its not the government telling universities what to teach, its market forces.

    Rita went on to work for the civil service after her degree in English. There is no such thing as useless knowledge, only useless in a particular context e.g. getting a job.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    But
    Whats your point?
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    The government has a lot of influence with universities for example, saying they can recruit as many students with AAB grades or above as they like. Anyway, its not the government telling universities what to teach, its market forces.

    Rita went on to work for the civil service after her degree in English. There is no such thing as useless knowledge, only useless in a particular context e.g. getting a job.
    I don't recall that from Willie Russell's play and I've played the part of the Bursar at least a dozen times so know the play well. Regardless, this is drama, and not reality. It's beautiful drama too - we may have a lot less of it if people like you get to dictate what has value.

    I disagree that "getting a job" is the be all and end all of what education should be. It strikes me as a productivity-driven and frankly almost Stalinist view of what education is.

    If somebody wants to study fine arts and then ends up working from a home on a potters wheel selling his or her wares for $5000 a year while doing a bit of gardening on the side to make ends meet then good for them. They should not be denied an education.
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    The government has a lot of influence with universities for example, saying they can recruit as many students with AAB grades or above as they like. Anyway, its not the government telling universities what to teach, its market forces.
    It isn't market forces is it? If it were why would you be recommending government intervention to limit or increase funding for different courses? If universities responded to market forces your point would be moot.
 
 
 
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