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    Would you agree, or disagree with that statement? and if you agree, who is to blame?

    I agree, for the most part I feel it's true. There are several examples I can think of where this is true.

    Margaret Thatcher comes to mind immediately, wherever you stand with your opinion on MT, and her downfall, the truth of the matter is she still had a lot of respect and admirers. Her hatred for women and feminism, and her elocution lessons to make her sound more "masculine and authoritative" suggests she was driven on male opinion and wanted to gain respect from her male counterparts by mirroring them.

    I'm sure this still goes on. I think men and women are both to blame. The whole patriarchal construct is to blame, gender roles, and to an extent feminism and it's approach is to blame.

    I think men are to blame, not for adopting the "authoritative figure" role, but for believing a woman couldn't do the same. Gender roles play a part in this. Also feminism is losing it's respect and I can see why, but I truly believe it has to do with it's approach.

    *I did try and keep this short*
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    Idgi, what does act like 'men' mean?


    If you interpret that as meaning 'acting with authority' then I would question why you think this is a 'male' trait, rather than a human trait that anyone, regardless of their gender, can embody.
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    (Original post by PFO 24/7)
    Idgi, what does act like 'men' mean?


    If you interpret that as meaning 'acting with authority' then I would question why you think this is a 'male' trait, rather than a human trait that anyone, regardless of their gender, can embody.
    Personally I don't believe "acting like a man" automatically means "acting with authority", but I think a lot of people have this belief system. That masculinity equals authority, I think that is a problem.
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Personally I don't believe "acting like a man" automatically means "acting with authority", but I think a lot of people have this belief system. That masculinity equals authority, I think that is a problem.
    Surely then, the problem is people subscribing to such an outdated notion of gender roles, rather than women having to act a certain way 'to gain respect in a work place'?
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    (Original post by PFO 24/7)
    Surely then, the problem is people subscribing to such an outdated notion of gender roles, rather than women having to act a certain way 'to gain respect in a work place'?
    I think what she's saying is that because people assume men have certain traits and women don't. Women have to work harder to prove they do have those traits, whereas there's less pressure for men to prove themselves in that way. (Well that's my view anyway )
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    (Original post by PFO 24/7)
    Surely then, the problem is people subscribing to such an outdated notion of gender roles, rather than women having to act a certain way 'to gain respect in a work place'?
    Yes I've mentioned gender roles, they clearly interlink. Women wouldn't feel the need to act "masculine" if feminine traits weren't seen as so passive.

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    I think what she's saying is that because people assume men have certain traits and women don't. Women have to work harder to prove they do have those traits, whereas there's less pressure for men to prove themselves in that way. (Well that's my view anyway )
    Yes, that is what I'm saying. But I went a little further () by suggesting some women go out of there way to prove this, and along the way dismiss femininity because it's not as "functional" as male traits are. I think it's sad, and I also don't think there will be change anytime soon.

    I also feel like feminism drives people(men and women) away from these issues. Because now a days, the minute someone claims they are a feminist, the other person honestly looks like they want to jump out of the nearest window rather than hear what they have to say.
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    Is this thread really this unpopular? I suppose should get back to revising then...

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    (Original post by Lord Samosa)
    I think what she's saying is that because people assume men have certain traits and women don't. Women have to work harder to prove they do have those traits, whereas there's less pressure for men to prove themselves in that way. (Well that's my view anyway )
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    Feminists.....
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    "Women and men have to act like professionals to gain respect in the work place.".
    Doesn't matter if you have a penis or a vag, if you are professional and you do your job well people will respect you. Although women may have to achieve more than their counterparts to gain the same amount of respect in some places.
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    (Original post by Lord Samosa)
    I think what she's saying is that because people assume men have certain traits and women don't. Women have to work harder to prove they do have those traits, whereas there's less pressure for men to prove themselves in that way. (Well that's my view anyway )
    No I agree with you! :five:

    But I hope to see these stereotypes go out of the window very soon!
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    No.
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    Feminists.....
    (Original post by TheBBQ)
    :confused:

    Thank you for the effort you put into your posts on my (what I perceived to be) very thought provoking thread!
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    (Original post by Indeterminate)
    No I agree with you! :five:

    But I hope to see these stereotypes go out of the window very soon!
    I doubt it...they won't go. We all conform to them in one way or another, in a sense it isn't exactly "wrong" too, but it's when people have to change themselves to "fit-in", that is sad. That goes for gender, race, body-type etc etc...
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    I doubt it...they won't go. We all conform to them in one way or another, in a sense it isn't exactly "wrong" too, but it's when people have to change themselves to "fit-in", that is sad. That goes for gender, race, body-type etc etc...
    Hmm, you have a point. There's always hope, though!
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    (Original post by TheonlyMrsHolmes)
    Thank you for the effort you put into your posts on my (what I perceived to be) very thought provoking thread!
    Pleasure. Not like it's been brought up hundreds of times.
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    (Original post by Aceadria)
    Pleasure. Not like it's been brought up hundreds of times.
    Whateves :talkhand:

    I think I put my point across very well, and it should have evoked some well thought out responses
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    (Original post by Lord Samosa)
    I think what she's saying is that because people assume men have certain traits and women don't. Women have to work harder to prove they do have those traits, whereas there's less pressure for men to prove themselves in that way. (Well that's my view anyway )
    I think that this depends on what sector people are in there are some where men have to work hard to prove that they also fit in.

    Unfortunately stereotypes exist and unfortunately they will for a long time
 
 
 
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