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    The Crimea annexation alone was pretty significant, but he is using the Syrian Civil War to his advantage.

    Note how he is trying to get very close with Obama, he's always on the news making 'progress' with Obama. That leaves the EU as his main target.

    Thousands of refugees flooding the already unstable economy of European countries is harming the EU, making Britain eye an exit, increasing Islamophobia, and generally reducing the quality of life. The airstrikes are not targeting ISIS, they are targeting anyone who opposes the Assad regime, anyone at all. This is causing more people to flee the country.

    And he has also made sanctions against Turkey. I wouldn't be surprised if the jet that got shot down was in Turkish airspace and it was the Russian government trying to get an excuse to sanction Turkey, so that the situation with the millions of immigrants in that country forces Turkey to send more to the EU.

    Putin is a bigger threat than ISIS, he manipulated his way into unending leadership and with the Russian economy declining due to the recession, he is messing up Europe, at what ends though?
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    Putin's no saint but you're barking up the wrong tree. Look to the US and it's Saudi/EU/NATO vassal states to glean the origins of Ukraine/Syria
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    West has helped destabilize not only the Middle east but even Europe thanks to their backing of a violent revolution in Ukraine which is home to many ethnic-Russians and threatens Russia's security with NATO. It was all written in the grand chessboard by Brzezinski.

    Now we have a refugee crisis on our hands that is just the nail in the coffin for many European nations that have had mass immigration that has transformed it beyond repair. Oppose it and what are you called? fascist.

    But you say we need saving from Russia?
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    (Original post by Deprogram)
    West has helped destabilize not only the Middle east but even Europe thanks to their backing of a violent revolution in Ukraine which is home to many ethnic-Russians and threatens Russia's security with NATO. It was all written in the grand chessboard by Brzezinski.

    Now we have a refugee crisis on our hands that is just the nail in the coffin for many European nations that have had mass immigration that has transformed it beyond repair. Oppose it and what are you called? fascist.

    But you say we need saving from Russia?
    A revolution in which the puppet pro Russian government defied the wishes of the population for more EU intergration before making protest illegal and ordering the Berkut to start shooting protesters. Good one.

    That still doesn't justify making some ******** up to defy soverignty and then deploying forces into a neighbouring country with the intention of annexing territory, because that's exactly what happened.

    It's not as if Putin hasn't been funding political parties of other countries in the EU in order to try and destabilise them OR order his news outlets (RT, Pravda) to focus on producing propaganda to boost these parties, because he has.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Putin's no saint but you're barking up the wrong tree. Look to the US and it's Saudi/EU/NATO vassal states to glean the origins of Ukraine/Syria
    totally agree
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    The U.K. And USA gave him this opportunity, not only by destabilising the Middle East but by failing to intervene at a stage where action would've had an outcome like in 2014. From how I see it Russia has taken a side in the conflict with intent to restore the country, is he killing innocencent people? Yes but that's war. People have been dying there for 4 years now, over 300,000. It's not going to stop if we just sit back, people are going to die with or without intervention, Putin realised this and since nothing was being done he went in for Assads interest and possibly his own. If the USA was in the middle of making progress or any country actually progressing with their plan, he might've thought twice before going in, but the door was wide open. Getting Assad in full control is probably the easiest way to get Syria back in shape, after that and the defeat of ISIS, world powers can decide on how to destabilise his government while holding the country together. Funding mindless rebel groups is useless. 1) you don't know who they are 2) they fight each other 3) they aren't strong or large enough for nationwide impact 4) the weapons supplied to them are often stolen from ISIS 5) when they capture land what do they do? They have no money, no way to import, nothing..
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    Syria's own population revolted against Assad in the arab spring in 2011. His own population started the civil war against him, no one else. ISIS started in Syria as well, hence why they have such a foothold there.

    By supporting Assad, those people who faught against him in the uprising will have died for nothing. Russia has it's only foreign naval base in Syria, so they're keen to defend that.

    Russia has convieniently labeled the rebel groups (which are Syrian nationals, fighting for their freedom) as terrorists in order to convieniently bomb them to restor Assad's control. It's unfortunate that the FSA is so splintered now.

    Maybe Russia will annex part of Syria next , wouden't surprise me.
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    (Original post by Pegasus2)
    Syria's own population revolted against Assad in the arab spring in 2011. His own population started the civil war against him, no one else. ISIS started in Syria as well, hence why they have such a foothold there.

    By supporting Assad, those people who faught against him in the uprising will have died for nothing. Russia has it's only foreign naval base in Syria, so they're keen to defend that.

    Russia has convieniently labeled the rebel groups (which are Syrian nationals, fighting for their freedom) as terrorists in order to convieniently bomb them to restor Assad's control. It's unfortunate that the FSA is so splintered now.

    Maybe Russia will annex part of Syria next , wouden't surprise me.
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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    You play far too perfectly into putins narrative.

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    (Original post by Dumachi)
    Someone's been watching RT a little too much. :lol:
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    The U.K. And USA gave him this opportunity, not only by destabilising the Middle East but by failing to intervene at a stage where action would've had an outcome like in 2014. From how I see it Russia has taken a side in the conflict with intent to restore the country, is he killing innocencent people? Yes but that's war. People have been dying there for 4 years now, over 300,000. It's not going to stop if we just sit back, people are going to die with or without intervention, Putin realised this and since nothing was being done he went in for Assads interest and possibly his own. If the USA was in the middle of making progress or any country actually progressing with their plan, he might've thought twice before going in, but the door was wide open. Getting Assad in full control is probably the easiest way to get Syria back in shape, after that and the defeat of ISIS, world powers can decide on how to destabilise his government while holding the country together. Funding mindless rebel groups is useless. 1) you don't know who they are 2) they fight each other 3) they aren't strong or large enough for nationwide impact 4) the weapons supplied to them are often stolen from ISIS 5) when they capture land what do they do? They have no money, no way to import, nothing..
    You're not seriously trying to tell me that the bombing of innocent citizens, which is probably deliberate, is justified because it's a 'war'? That's called a war crime. Russian jets are targeting civilians because it is impossible to prove that they are doing it in a court-style manner, and it means that more and more are leaving the country. Putin's intervention is not restoring it, he is pretending to care about Assad and the country but all he wants is to empower Assad for the sole benefit of having a large stake in the game, and also because he wants to destabilise the EU.

    Getting Assad back to power is not the solution. Assad has done worse things than ISIS, he brutalised his own people and committed war crimes and probably used chemical weapons, so quit glorifying Putin and Assad as if they are the saviours. Before ISIS, Assad was the enemy, and he still is. ISIS and Assad need to be removed together.
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    (Original post by Deprogram)
    West has helped destabilize not only the Middle east but even Europe thanks to their backing of a violent revolution in Ukraine which is home to many ethnic-Russians and threatens Russia's security with NATO. It was all written in the grand chessboard by Brzezinski.

    Now we have a refugee crisis on our hands that is just the nail in the coffin for many European nations that have had mass immigration that has transformed it beyond repair. Oppose it and what are you called? fascist.

    But you say we need saving from Russia?
    Doesn't matter what happened in the past, Russia, right now, is fuelling the fire for the biggest humanitarian crisis in the 21st century.
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    Putin has the same agenda as America.
    People fail to see the truth.

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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Someone's been watching RT a little too much. :lol:
    I aint no Putin fan, I dont trust any leaders but I am right about George, research it. He is one evil person.
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    1) Putin only started bombing syria recently, last year nov or oct? The syrian refugee crisis began way back, almost as long as the US started bombing syria. Putin doesnt need to destabilized syria, the US coalition bombing is perfectly doing that.

    2) Its a dumb strategy, all EU needs to do to put his evil plans to an end is to simply stop taking in refugees. How brilliant Putin didn't thought that all the millions he spent on bombs can be stop with a finger.

    3) EU wouldn't collapse even if it takes in all of Syrian population. We can perfectly deal with the amount of refugees there are. What would threaten EU , and has threaten EU in the past, and now, is Greece bailout, and brexit, not Syrian refugees or Putin's little evil plan.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    The Crimea annexation alone was pretty significant, but he is using the Syrian Civil War to his advantage.

    Note how he is trying to get very close with Obama, he's always on the news making 'progress' with Obama. That leaves the EU as his main target.

    Thousands of refugees flooding the already unstable economy of European countries is harming the EU, making Britain eye an exit, increasing Islamophobia, and generally reducing the quality of life. The airstrikes are not targeting ISIS, they are targeting anyone who opposes the Assad regime, anyone at all. This is causing more people to flee the country.

    And he has also made sanctions against Turkey. I wouldn't be surprised if the jet that got shot down was in Turkish airspace and it was the Russian government trying to get an excuse to sanction Turkey, so that the situation with the millions of immigrants in that country forces Turkey to send more to the EU.

    Putin is a bigger threat than ISIS, he manipulated his way into unending leadership and with the Russian economy declining due to the recession, he is messing up Europe, at what ends though?
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    You're not seriously trying to tell me that the bombing of innocent citizens, which is probably deliberate, is justified because it's a 'war'? That's called a war crime. Russian jets are targeting civilians because it is impossible to prove that they are doing it in a court-style manner, and it means that more and more are leaving the country. Putin's intervention is not restoring it, he is pretending to care about Assad and the country but all he wants is to empower Assad for the sole benefit of having a large stake in the game, and also because he wants to destabilise the EU.

    Getting Assad back to power is not the solution. Assad has done worse things than ISIS, he brutalised his own people and committed war crimes and probably used chemical weapons, so quit glorifying Putin and Assad as if they are the saviours. Before ISIS, Assad was the enemy, and he still is. ISIS and Assad need to be removed together.
    think of it like this, you have a patient that has a bullet in his chest and you have 2 doctors, one uses anaesthetic and is careful the other puts his hand in and pulls the bullet out. The patient is left sitting there and both have their backs turned, the guys mum begs someone to help so the doctor comes and rips it out. It wasn't the best way, could cause more damage but something was being done. The other doctor had every chance to intervene and at least over look what was happening and not turn a blind eye. Im actually against Russia and Assad but if you look at the current situation how can you remove both Assad and ISIS? The only way would be a ground invasion, possible in 2014 but with Russian presence today, not anymore. The USA were so quick to take action in Iraq and Libya where it wasn't even needed so why did they turn their back on Syria? Yes the perfect solution would be to remove Isis and Assad together but we both know that isn't even an option. We can back the rebels but they can't do much, they can't fight alone and capture a country, you can't back ISIS because they're terrorists all you can do is restore Assads powers, remove ISIS then wipe him off since his powers are tiny compared to the USA and other forces.
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    think of it like this, you have a patient that has a bullet in his chest and you have 2 doctors, one uses anaesthetic and is careful the other puts his hand in and pulls the bullet out. The patient is left sitting there and both have their backs turned, the guys mum begs someone to help so the doctor comes and rips it out. It wasn't the best way, could cause more damage but something was being done. The other doctor had every chance to intervene and at least over look what was happening and not turn a blind eye. Im actually against Russia and Assad but if you look at the current situation how can you remove both Assad and ISIS? The only way would be a ground invasion, possible in 2014 but with Russian presence today, not anymore. The USA were so quick to take action in Iraq and Libya where it wasn't even needed so why did they turn their back on Syria? Yes the perfect solution would be to remove Isis and Assad together but we both know that isn't even an option. We can back the rebels but they can't do much, they can't fight alone and capture a country, you can't back ISIS because they're terrorists all you can do is restore Assads powers, remove ISIS then wipe him off since his powers are tiny compared to the USA and other forces.
    It would be possible if we got more of the Middle Eastern powers involved in their own politics instead of sitting making billions watching the USA and France bomb their enemies. There's no reason to think that removing ISIS and Assad isn't an option.
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    (Original post by Frank Underwood)
    It would be possible if we got more of the Middle Eastern powers involved in their own politics instead of sitting making billions watching the USA and France bomb their enemies. There's no reason to think that removing ISIS and Assad isn't an option.
    No. thats a terrible idea, do you know the externalities of Saudi or turkey fighting ISIS? First If they fight ISIS they have to fight Assad since he'll oppose it, which also means they'll be fighting Iran and Russia, you have a conflict there with Saudi and Russia, Saudi and Iran they all have oil in common which could lead to more problems which I'm not gonna go into. It will also create more sectarian violence in Saudi, turkey and Iran arguably the most stable middle eastern countries
 
 
 
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