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Can a believer hold his faith rationally? I am not asking whether belief in God is rational. It's clear that it can be irrational. I am asking whether it is even possible for belief in God to be rational. In this sense, the question is basically a yes or no question. Either it is possible to believe in God rationally or it is not (thus belief in God is inherently irrational and all people who believe in God do so irrationally). There is no middle way.

Whaddya think? explain why, don't just assert that it can be/cannot be.
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You answered your own question. There is no defining argument.
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Anything supernatural (such as God, Gods, or a spiritual force) cannot be believed rationally.
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You answered your own question. There is no defining argument.
I didn't answer it at all. I don't know what you mean.
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(Original post by FauxIntellectual)
Can a believer hold his faith rationally? I am not asking whether belief in God is rational. It's clear that it can be irrational. I am asking whether it is even possible for belief in God to be rational. In this sense, the question is basically a yes or no question. Either it is possible to believe in God rationally or it is not (thus belief in God is inherently irrational and all people who believe in God do so irrationally). There is no middle way.

Whaddya think? explain why, don't just assert that it can be/cannot be.
I don't think so (I agree with Keyhofi's comment) and the only religious person whom I've seen both insist and explain why he thinks that belief in his particular god is rational had to redefine the word 'rational' to make his point.
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(Original post by FauxIntellectual)
Can a believer hold his faith rationally? I am not asking whether belief in God is rational. It's clear that it can be irrational. I am asking whether it is even possible for belief in God to be rational. In this sense, the question is basically a yes or no question. Either it is possible to believe in God rationally or it is not (thus belief in God is inherently irrational and all people who believe in God do so irrationally). There is no middle way.

Whaddya think? explain why, don't just assert that it can be/cannot be.
Hmm...
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(Original post by FauxIntellectual)
Can a believer hold his faith rationally? I am not asking whether belief in God is rational. It's clear that it can be irrational. I am asking whether it is even possible for belief in God to be rational. In this sense, the question is basically a yes or no question. Either it is possible to believe in God rationally or it is not (thus belief in God is inherently irrational and all people who believe in God do so irrationally). There is no middle way.

Whaddya think? explain why, don't just assert that it can be/cannot be.
Yes because the concept of GOD is outside our understanding since we dont know anything omni everything thats knows all sees all etc. Coming from a muslim the reasons why GOD can be seen as rational is because we believe that the big bang was created however the particles that collided forming protons neutrons etc created the universe as we know it. Now the reason why its rational is because you need an ultimate cause because "causality" in defintion you cannot create or destroy energy nor can you create something from nothing" it simply is IRRATIONAL to think that. Therefore you need an ultimate creator to start every process and everything otherwise its impossible and irrational to say that we and the universe are here because particles and energy etc were created out of nothing
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Hmm...
I only explained the implications of answering "No" to the question I asked. I said that if you say that belief in God can not be rational then you believe that everyone who believes in God is acting irrationally. You think all (no exceptions) believers hold their faith irrationally.

I didn't answer the question I posed at all.
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I don't think so (I agree with Keyhofi's comment) and the only religious person whom I've seen both insist and explain why he thinks that belief in his particular god is rational had to redefine the word 'rational' to make his point.
What is THE definition of rationality?
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What is THE definition of rationality?
A handy Google definition of the word rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

At a stretch, reason and logic might get you as far as deism if you can bring yourself to view the design argument as remotely credible. Anyway, the point was that the person (Alister McGrath, if you're interested) totally redefined the word just so that he'd be able to say that Christianity is a rational faith (a contradiction in terms, if you ask me).
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(Original post by FauxIntellectual)
Can a believer hold his faith rationally? I am not asking whether belief in God is rational. It's clear that it can be irrational. I am asking whether it is even possible for belief in God to be rational. In this sense, the question is basically a yes or no question. Either it is possible to believe in God rationally or it is not (thus belief in God is inherently irrational and all people who believe in God do so irrationally). There is no middle way.

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Which God?
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Which God?
God with a capital G usually refers to the Abrahamic God.
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I believe in alien gods ... is that rational?
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I believe in alien gods ... is that rational?
I don't know what "alien gods" even are. That was not the question though.
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I don't know what "alien gods" even are. That was not the question though.
I am sorry to hear that.
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Belief in god has the possibility of being both or neither as it really depends on the opinion of one.
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As someone who believes in God, I wouldn't say that it was irrational. I would argue that in some way it is rational depending on how you percieve evidence. Many would use the Bible, others would simply use what has happened to them. All in all, it is rational because religion has existed almost as long as humans have been here. But just because it's rational doesnt mean everyone has to believe it
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Belief in god has the possibility of being both or neither as it really depends on the opinion of one.
It can't be both. If belief in God can not be rational then there is no possibility of it being rational. It's inherently irrational and no person can believe in God rationally.

If belief in God can be rational, then some people can possibly believe in it rationally. That still leaves many other people who might believe in God irrationally.
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Belief in god has the possibility of being both or neither as it really depends on the opinion of one.

We can't really talk about rationality as being that subjective; because in that case pedophilia is rational to the opinion of a pedophile.
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(Original post by DanikaB)
As someone who believes in God, I wouldn't say that it was irrational. I would argue that in some way it is rational depending on how you percieve evidence. Many would use the Bible, others would simply use what has happened to them. All in all, it is rational because religion has existed almost as long as humans have been here. But just because it's rational doesnt mean everyone has to believe it
But you have to perceive evidence as the successful output of something that went through the rigors of the scientific method. It can't be any sort of evidence, otherwise there's much more reason to believe Harry Potter as holy literature or UFO abductions as true accounts.
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