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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Guys, whether this passes or not, we all know that you suck (incompetent or lazy, doesn't matter, because your earlier predecessors were much better) and whether you choose to admit it or not, I hope you realise this, otherwise you have bigger problems to worry about.

    Sometimes things just don't work out and people must suck it up (I mean us, due to how unaware users vote) – fortunately for myself, this only happens here on TSR so it's fairly easy to get over, although admittedly frustrating at times. However, my motivation to play with you in this environment has been on a steady decline and soon to hit the minimum and if I'm not alone, perhaps you should think about how stubborn you really want to be because if other people get tired and leave, you'll have no satisfaction and no opposition, as if playing Monopoly with all the money…
    So you are saying vote for this to pass or else you will leave the house?
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    (Original post by Aph)
    So you are saying vote for this to pass or else you will leave the house?
    There are other ways of achieving the same effect.

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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    You have misread the sentence, the struggle was down to Aph not calling a VoNC in the Green leader, the lack a budget was your doing.
    I don't accept that the lack of a budget was my doing. I had a part in the delay of course, but I will not be taking full responsibility for that. At any point people could have approached me and said, look we need a replacement. When I was approached, I eventually just appointed myself which in the end was a horrible mistake. Nevertheless, yourself and James had been working on the budget without a Chancellor for weeks beforehand (especially James), so the lack of a budget and lack of quality is not down to me. I took full responsibility at the time for that awful budget as it had my name on it, but the fact is it was pretty much complete without GP or me.

    (Original post by Camoron)
    I followed TSR for a while and on the eve of Cameron's deal, I want to be part of the EU debate on here
    GreenKipLib was a lot longer than a while ago. I'd be genuinely surprised if you've been lurking around for almost 7 months without making an account, but I suppose I must give you the benefit of the doubt
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    (Original post by Aph)
    So you are saying vote for this to pass or else you will leave the house?
    Not at all, I'm not deluded about my reputation and importance in the context of the House (which is also why I don't need to put all my previous titles to my bio section or have a gigantic egocentric signature, if I may add).

    I was simply suggesting that there is a line which the lefties are about to cross, I'd say.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Not at all, I'm not deluded about my reputation and importance in the context of the House (which also why I don't need to put all my previous titles to my bio section or have a gigantic egocentric signature, if I may add).

    I was simply suggesting that there is a line which the lefties are about to cross, I'd say.
    I got the idea from Byronic but they are spoilered...

    I think that the right could easily get into government if they put on a friendlier face.
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    Could someone possibly run me through the procedure if the MoNC passes?
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    (Original post by Tommy1boy)
    Could someone possibly run me through the procedure if the MoNC passes?
    One week coalition negotiation period

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    One week coalition negotiation period

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    ok thanks
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I got the idea from Byronic but they are spoilered...

    I think that the right could easily get into government if they put on a friendlier face.
    In this rare instance, I actually didn't mean you. Look at Labourites.

    I believe the policies are the biggest issue and those aren't going to change. As I've said in the past, it's four against two.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    In this rare instance, I actually didn't mean you. Look at Labourites.

    I believe the policies are the biggest issue and those aren't going to change. As I've said in the past, it's four against two.
    Ohhh, I don't pay much attention to sign really.

    Well you now have the Nat Libs and lime-man as an indie. And I'm not sure. I can tell you when I was in the greens I cared more about who I could get on with on a personal level then a political level when voting for coalitions because if you like the people you can make it work but if you are in a state of constant conflict the government is unstable. I still do that but to a lesser extent.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I believe the policies are the biggest issue and those aren't going to change. As I've said in the past, it's four against two.
    This is a peculiar stance, it is clearly 3 v 2 party wise, but seats wise it is 21 right vs 20 left, so your inability to get into government comes down to how you fail to compromise with the centrists (who are if anything more right leaning than left)
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Ohhh, I don't pay much attention to sign really.

    Well you now have the Nat Libs and lime-man as an indie. And I'm not sure. I can tell you when I was in the greens I cared more about who I could get on with on a personal level then a political level when voting for coalitions because if you like the people you can make it work but if you are in a state of constant conflict the government is unstable. I still do that but to a lesser extent.
    That's true, if I were to go into government with anyone it would be the tories.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    This is a peculiar stance, it is clearly 3 v 2 party wise, but seats wise it is 21 right vs 20 left, so your inability to get into government comes down to how you fail to compromise with the centrists (who are if anything more right leaning than left)
    No, there are not centrists on TSR, the Liberals claim to be centrists but the reality of the Liberals is their right-wing members are inactive, or do not care about party direction, and the Liberal policy is to chase the party that offers them the best deal. The Liberals do not make negotiations using deals on policy as a basis for a coalition, the Liberals make negotiations using fictitious titles, the superiority of these titles, and who is the largest party.
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    (Original post by Camoron)
    I followed TSR for a while and on the eve of Cameron's deal, I want to be part of the EU debate on here
    I'm afraid you're about 6 months late for the MHoC EU debate.

    We voted in and that is now binding for the next 3 terms.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    No, there are not centrists on TSR, the Liberals claim to be centrists but the reality of the Liberals is their right-wing members are inactive, or do not care about party direction, and the Liberal policy is to chase the party that offers them the best deal. The Liberals do not make negotiations using deals on policy as a basis for a coalition, the Liberals make negotiations using fictitious titles, the superiority of these titles, and who is the largest party.
    When did you start becoming a comedian Nigel? You're better at it than getting into Government.....

    I don't feel the need to defend my party when you're obviously incorrect.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I'm afraid you're about 6 months late for the MHoC EU debate.

    We voted in and that is now binding for the next 3 terms.
    Unfortunately...
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    When did you start becoming a comedian Nigel? You're better at it than getting into Government.....

    I don't feel the need to defend my party when you're obviously incorrect.
    Which is why your right is dead and the basis of your negotiations are "who is giving us more titles?"

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    (Original post by cBay)
    This is a peculiar stance, it is clearly 3 v 2 party wise, but seats wise it is 21 right vs 20 left, so your inability to get into government comes down to how you fail to compromise with the centrists (who are if anything more right leaning than left)
    No, no, no, I'll tell you how it works. There are two major parties: Conservative on the right and Labour on the left. These two parties are ideologically opposite and only join forces on special occasions such as to stop that Green/UKIP/Liberal madness last term.

    Then, there are two natural allies: UKIP to Conservative and Green to Labour. These parties represent policies which are naturally incompatible with the other ‘big brother’ and as such unlikely to cross this stable relationship.

    There are also Socialists who are slowly but steadily becoming irrelevant, yet still very important when the House is split such as now, 21 (CON+UKIP) against 20 (Government) – one of them goes no, the opposition loses. Unfortunately, they are also naturally aligned with Labour and exceptionally connect by their history (many dual members, etc.). Socialist policies are contrary to ours and these two are quite partisan so even if the Government were doing absolutely nothing, they would support them, because it's always better than a Conservative-led government. However, since Labour don't need them in the Government coalition, they just float around, happy to serve when they're needed.

    Finally, we have the Liberals whose seats tend to fluctuate a lot and who always get to choose the ****ing ‘winner’. Look at any of the last five, six, or even more terms, and you'll see it has practically always come down to Liberals despite their poor activity and drifting from side to side. We can't even be sure of who's in there voting on coalitions because so few are active. These appear to be fairly on the right (Jarred, Airhead, definitely Birchingon back before his Speakership, thehistorybore, maybe even Petros) and even with a history of UKIP membership (toronto, JoeL, MM – is she still here, lol?), yet when it comes to the vote, they either magically turn into lefties or some other inactive lefties appear to swing the vote. Add the long-undiscovered Labour dupe who had deputy leaded the party and you get a clear Left superiority over the Right (in numbers). Alternatively and quite possibly, the Liberals hate us personally (hence the defections from both Conservative and UKIP) and rather than be pragmatic, they choose to betray their policies for Labour.

    I hope the NLP will change this but I haven't seen many of them lately so I hope they're preparing something big.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I don't accept that the lack of a budget was my doing. I had a part in the delay of course, but I will not be taking full responsibility for that. At any point people could have approached me and said, look we need a replacement. When I was approached, I eventually just appointed myself which in the end was a horrible mistake. Nevertheless, yourself and James had been working on the budget without a Chancellor for weeks beforehand (especially James), so the lack of a budget and lack of quality is not down to me. I took full responsibility at the time for that awful budget as it had my name on it, but the fact is it was pretty much complete without GP or me.



    GreenKipLib was a lot longer than a while ago. I'd be genuinely surprised if you've been lurking around for almost 7 months without making an account, but I suppose I must give you the benefit of the doubt
    Haha, I have used it since 4 years ago for university purposes. I followed that tracker thing, not sure if it still exists. I actually made an account to ask about university and loan specific issues, haven't used it for years, I forgot password details. I got into politics around the same time and every now and then around EU elections, general elections, Scottish referendum (and now EU referendum) I would pop on. As a staunch eurosceptic I really want to voice my opinion as I believe the EU question is very important. For a while I thought this TSR commons was suppose to reflect the actual elections standings and as I read into it I found out what it was and was interested. But I rarely came on here, especially during dull political periods, i would just pop on to see political opinion.
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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I'm afraid you're about 6 months late for the MHoC EU debate.

    We voted in and that is now binding for the next 3 terms.
    I know. I was just justifying why I joined now on TSR. My views on the TSR commons is about something else. My comment was to someone who changed topic
 
 
 
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