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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Being in Government gives us a better opportunity to pass Policy. We seek power indirectly due to wanting to pass Policies, rather than directly desiring titles and power
    Ahem, CON/LIB/UKIP would have given you a majority while admittedly grasping our balls… You would have passed the same or even more with us so this argument doesn't hold at all.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Honestly, I am nowhere near competent enough at economics to do it I'll happily admit that

    If you're serious, I'll PM you. You might not like the poll result though
    Please, do. I can take it. :awesome:
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    If the Liberals were concerned with policy the Liberal would have managed to implement Liberal policies, but for all of the Liberal policies in the Liberal manifesto, only one has been approved because it was in a Statement of Intent, for the others there has been talk of them but nothing to make the Liberal manifesto pledges a real thing. The Liberals cannot be serious about making decisions based on policy if achieving one policy out of many in 3000 hours of government is seen as a success.

    I may have been lied to by a Liberal member which is a possibility, seeing a screenshot with the poll, and the content of the proposed coalitions would help clear up any doubt members not in the Liberals have. It would be very suspicious if you refused to post the needed screenshots to dispel lies after making the offer in your previous comment.
    It seems you can't count in that case. The term isn't over and we've already passed manifesto pledges with more on the way. The second half of this term is promising for us. Whether you believe that or not, I don't particularly care.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It also dilutes the policy and lead to you pricing people out of London making parts of it even more the haven of the rich, before trying to fix this by decreasing the cost in London in exchange for increasing the cost everywhere that isn't fairly central in major cities.

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    I'm not going to debate Government policy with you as I do not agree with what you've said above.

    Admittedly, yes, it can dilute policy. However, if Labour outright refused anything we'd just do it ourselves and try to get it through.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Ahem, CON/LIB/UKIP would have given you a majority while admittedly grasping our balls… You would have passed the same or even more with us so this argument doesn't hold at all.
    UKIP are becoming increasingly authoritarian and I would only go with them if we'd agreed on policy beforehand. As I've said though, and as you'll know, I wasn't involved in any negotiations with the Right last term and I do not know what Jarred did differently

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    Please, do. I can take it. :awesome:
    Just posted it in this thread
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Just posted it in this thread
    Thanks!

    Now, where the **** did you manage to get 14 members? :eek: I now completely understand the situation and as I said, it's permanently hidden members having too much leverage. Why are you letting completely inactive members swing the vote (assuming that the three for us are active, anyway)?

    The only debating slash actively present Liberals are yourself and Aph (who was Green then), sometimes Airhead, back then Jarred.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Thanks!

    Now, where the **** did you manage to get 14 members? :eek: I now completely understand the situation and as I said, it's permanently hidden members having too much leverage. Why are you letting completely inactive members swing the vote (assuming that the three for us are active, anyway)?

    The only debating slash actively present Liberals are yourself and Aph, sometimes Airhead, back then Jarred.
    Considering that only one of their members voted for conlib, it seems that it isn't about leverage, they just fancied the socialists (wait- sorry I meant Labour)
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    It seems you can't count in that case. The term isn't over and we've already passed manifesto pledges with more on the way. The second half of this term is promising for us. Whether you believe that or not, I don't particularly care.

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    I'm not going to debate Government policy with you as I do not agree with what you've said above.

    Admittedly, yes, it can dilute policy. However, if Labour outright refused anything we'd just do it ourselves and try to get it through.
    So we have a thread saying we have had proposals with the proposals not actually being shown? Interesting.

    So you do believe in an average "council tax" of over 7000 rather than about 1000? Or are you suggesting that in fact James overstated all his costs and in fact rather than the 3000 he suggested not even using correct sources it is significantly lower?

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    lol at the liberals being left-wing. Market liberalism (which some of them subscribe to) is a radical right-wing policy.
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Thanks!

    Now, where the **** did you manage to get 14 members? :eek: I now completely understand the situation and as I said, it's permanently hidden members having too much leverage. Why are you letting completely inactive members swing the vote (assuming that the three for us are active, anyway)?

    The only debating slash actively present Liberals are yourself and Aph (who was Green then), sometimes Airhead, back then Jarred.
    I'm not going to list who voted how, but there were only three members that were inactive at the time that voted. The other 11 all posted in the subforum at least once every day or two.

    Admittedly, I'd like to see my members debate more but I think it's a problem for the whole house rather than just my party.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Considering that only one of their members voted for conlib, it seems that it isn't about leverage, they just fancied the socialists (wait- sorry I meant Labour)
    4 of us did (3 on the Poll and me though I didnt realise it was multiple choice so only selected Labour )

    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So we have a thread saying we have had proposals with the proposals not actually being shown? Interesting.

    So you do believe in an average "council tax" of over 7000 rather than about 1000? Or are you suggesting that in fact James overstated all his costs and in fact rather than the 3000 he suggested not even using correct sources it is significantly lower?

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    I didn't have to show you the poll yet I did. I'm not going to show you the rest of the thread.

    I haven't done the maths myself. As I've said, I'm not competent at economics (though I would like to become more competent at it). If you say his calculations are wrong and he admits they are (I'm not sure if they are/if he has) then we've messed up there.

    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    lol at the liberals being left-wing. Market liberalism (which some of them subscribe to) is a radical right-wing policy.
    It's a matter of perspective. We're lefties to the right and right wingers to you lefties
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    4 of us did (3 on the Poll and me though I didnt realise it was multiple choice so only selected Labour )



    I didn't have to show you the poll yet I did. I'm not going to show you the rest of the thread.

    I haven't done the maths myself. As I've said, I'm not competent at economics (though I would like to become more competent at it). If you say his calculations are wrong and he admits they are (I'm not sure if they are/if he has) then we've messed up there.



    It's a matter of perspective. We're lefties to the right and right wingers to you lefties
    You haven't done the maths yourself, no, but you've had the maths did for you multiple times, in fact most of the time any maths needed doing it was done twice, once by James and then correctly. The maths requires no economics, the economics is just a question of "what happens next?", again, something anyways find twice.

    And you know he would never admit it, even when official figures showed clear as day he was wrong he was insistent that he knows better than the actual experts.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Considering that only one of their members voted for conlib, it seems that it isn't about leverage, they just fancied the socialists (wait- sorry I meant Labour)
    There are actually three votes for CON/LIB.

    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'm not going to list who voted how, but there were only three members that were inactive at the time that voted. The other 11 all posted in the subforum at least once every day or two.

    Admittedly, I'd like to see my members debate more but I think it's a problem for the whole house rather than just my party.
    Subforum is cool, we have many of those, but it doesn't really count if they don't ever show up. It's like… imagine we were to be housemates (I know, sucks, but bear with me for a moment) with two other people and looking for accommodation. The three of us would decide on something contrary to your preferences but you'd say what the heck, I can't leave them now. We'd sign a contract for half a year and then say sorry, mate, we're not really interested any more so the whole rent is your responsibility. Does it seem fair?

    Nah, I don't think so. At the moment, we only have our thirteen MPs, nine to ten of whom are active in debates.
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    Those screenshots show a Liberal Party is in a worse state than I thought, the Liberal Party makes polls public which can intimidate members when voting, it does not list what the proposals are, and the Liberal deputy leader used his position of influence to persuade other members who do not have the details what to vote for; it is worry I likely had a better understanding of the Conservative-Liberal deal than Liberal members who were asked to make the decision. If I was a member in a party where the leadership did not give out details of all of the proposals, but had a members of the leadership team subtly persuading people by posting what he thought was best, there would be a VoNC.
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    There's no point in quoting all Liberals because this isn't a safe space so PetrosAC, were those Liberal voters shown the specific coalition proposals, please?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    There are actually three votes for CON/LIB.



    Subforum is cool, we have many of those, but it doesn't really count if they don't ever show up. It's like… imagine we were to be housemates (I know, sucks, but bear with me for a moment) with two other people and looking for accommodation. The three of us would decide on something contrary to your preferences but you'd say what the heck, I can't leave them now. We'd sign a contract for half a year and then say sorry, mate, we're not really interested any more so the whole rent is your responsibility. Does it seem fair?

    Nah, I don't think so. At the moment, we only have our thirteen MPs, nine to ten of whom are active in debates.
    I actually think you'd be an interesting housemate.

    And I count:
    JD,
    HAZZER,
    You,
    Rakas,
    The financier.

    Your DL isn't active at all in the house and neither is your chair. Mennu (I always forget which the double letter is) is somewhat active and I can't even name your other people.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Those screenshots show a Liberal Party is a worse state than I thought, the Liberal Party makes polls public which can intimidate members when voting, it does not list what the proposal are, and the Liberal deputy leader used his position of influence to persuade other members who do not have the details what to vote for. If I was a member in a party where the leadership did not give out details of all of the proposals, but had a members of the leadership team subtly persuading people by posting what he thought was best, there would be a VoNC.
    Those are very good points. Why persuade their members when the poll isn't even binding? Those ten inactive Liberals might not even think for themselves.
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    Life_peer Nigel Farage MEP

    Can you stop with the pathetic whining? Or can we at least have your word that you'll stop until the end of the term once this VoNC fails?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Those are very good points. Why persuade their members when the poll isn't even binding? Those ten inactive Liberals might not even think for themselves.

    Another point, if different people voted for Conservative-Liberal, and the other option, then voted Labour-Liberal as a second choice, there would be seven people against Labour-Liberal as the first choice, but five people for Labour-Liberal; tyranny of the minority applies. Telling members the poll is not binding when asking them to vote shows how illiberal the democratic Liberals claim to be, how power hungry the leaders are if a better deal is identified before the discussion period is up, and how much power nobodies have over the party.

    cBay Thing would be quieter if the government did its job, defended it policies, and did not approach everything by using the children rebut which goes something like I know you are but what am I.
    PetrosAC When the poll is overwhelmingly to join the left-wing socialists in a coalition, there is no sound evidence to say the Liberals are a centrist party with a mix of active member on both sides. If the Liberal Party was a centrist party there would be a 60%-40% split on the two most popular coalition options showing both sides of the party, the lack of this proves the right-wing Liberals hold no influence in the party but act as a show piece for the Liberal Party leadership to claim the Liberal Party is a centrist party.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You haven't done the maths yourself, no, but you've had the maths did for you multiple times, in fact most of the time any maths needed doing it was done twice, once by James and then correctly. The maths requires no economics, the economics is just a question of "what happens next?", again, something anyways find twice.

    And you know he would never admit it, even when official figures showed clear as day he was wrong he was insistent that he knows better than the actual experts.

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    I'm not going to comment on the matter, because either way I'll end up putting my shoe in it.

    (Original post by Life_peer)
    There are actually three votes for CON/LIB.



    Subforum is cool, we have many of those, but it doesn't really count if they don't ever show up. It's like… imagine we were to be housemates (I know, sucks, but bear with me for a moment) with two other people and looking for accommodation. The three of us would decide on something contrary to your preferences but you'd say what the heck, I can't leave them now. We'd sign a contract for half a year and then say sorry, mate, we're not really interested any more so the whole rent is your responsibility. Does it seem fair?

    Nah, I don't think so. At the moment, we only have our thirteen MPs, nine to ten of whom are active in debates.
    4 votes. It's just that I didn't realise it was a multiple choice poll

    I'm extremely tired so maybe it's that, but I don't see the link between that analogy and what we're talking about.

    Again, I'll admit the Tories have probably have had the most activity debating wise, and I'd happily commend you for that. However, it's still a problem in the house that only 15-20 MPs out of 50 debate.

    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Those screenshots show a Liberal Party is in a worse state than I thought, the Liberal Party makes polls public which can intimidate members when voting, it does not list what the proposal are, and the Liberal deputy leader used his position of influence to persuade other members who do not have the details what to vote for. If I was a member in a party where the leadership did not give out details of all of the proposals, but had a members of the leadership team subtly persuading people by posting what he thought was best, there would be a VoNC.
    You're actually getting ridiculous now. We're the Liberal Party not some facist dictatorship that forces people to vote a certain way. It does list what the proposals were and it's updated throughout the thread, it just cannot be seen in the screenshot.

    Nigel, I genuinely can't take you seriously. Atleast LP and Jammy Duel are making points. You're just talking out of your behind.

    (Original post by Life_peer)
    There's no point in quoting all Liberals because this isn't a safe space so PetrosAC, were those Liberal voters shown the specific coalition proposals, please?
    Yes they were. Myself and Jarred kept the thread updated with offers. At one point we almost went with you guys as Labour weren't prepared to give Jarred the Chancellorship (and it was a pretty bad offer). If Saoirse didn't have GP who saw that we thought Labour's offer at the time was rubbish, we maybe would have gone with the Tories...

    Just to be clear, I am only now realising this from looking through the thread. We got the offer we wanted in the end from Labour, and I do think we would have got it anyway because frankly, you both need us - especially them.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I actually think you'd be an interesting housemate.

    And I count:
    JD,
    HAZZER (mostly to bum lick),
    You,
    Rakas,
    The financier.

    Your DL isn't active at all in the house and neither is your chair. Mennu (I always forget which the double letter is) is somewhat active and I can't even name your other people.
    You hypocrite , your party chair ( whoever it is ) isn't active , who even is your DL ? and im pretty sure MM is a liberal MP and isn't active . Who else is thier ? Toronto isn't that all active , And who even are the other MP ? Two can play that game
 
 
 
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