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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    so we get criticised by the right for saying we're discussing stuff in the subforum, but the tories 'stockpiling' is fine. The point of the house isn't passing bills, it's debating. The tories 'stockpiling' due to perceived inability to pass something just means we don't get ideas to debate in a formal context from a tory point of view.
    You. Are. The. Bloody. Government.
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    I find it pretty concerning that members talk about skipping RL plans to go on this.

    I don't back VONCs unless there is a genuine issue with leadership or parties have become inactive. A simple power grab. We should be saving VONCs for rare occasions.

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    which is why we should ban the use of RL major party names
    That would be one way to solve it.

    Although I was being sarcastic in my response above
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I find it pretty concerning that members talk about skipping RL plans to go on this.

    I don't back VONCs unless there is a genuine issue with leadership or parties have become inactive. A simple power grab. We should be saving VONCs for rare occasions.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I find it pretty concerning that members talk about skipping RL plans to go on this.

    I don't back VONCs unless there is a genuine issue with leadership or parties have become inactive. A simple power grab. We should be saving VONCs for rare occasions.

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    So you're saying it's unacceptable to expect people to be able to find an hoir or two in 3000?
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    You. Are. The. Bloody. Government.
    So? That means nothing apart from helping to give a sense of the mock-parliament structure. This is a debating club, the point of which is that if you have an idea, you put it up for debate when it is ready, not stockpile it in case you ever become the government. But then, each to their own. If you Tories want to not debate your ideology, and be perceived as hypocrites, then that's your collective choice :dontknow:
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    You haven't yet shown at all that you'll be any more active or up to scratch than the current Government, and if you want a right wing Government then make sure that you get the votes for one.

    I have decided that I am against this motion of no confidence, but should it pass I'd support a ConKip Government.
    Well at least I haven't produced aload of
    useless petitions and trying to form a spin off of the Nat Libs making yourself seem active... At what's more you think you can leature me on the MHOC ? Sorry how long have you been here ? About 3 weeks ......
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    Well that was an interesting read
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    We can all submit bills, but there's no point submitting bills that have no substance and are joke bills. Would you rather have two really good bills that get passed or 10 bills that are not so good and all fail to get passed. Its about quality not quantity. Talking about joke bills, there has been a number of them recently, supported by-surprise,surprise-some conservative MPs.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you're saying it's unacceptable to expect people to be able to find an hoir or two in 3000?
    I wouldn't blame them even if they didnt, you have vocally opposed pretty much everything weve proposed, you talk about time spent but alot of effort has gone into the budget and SOIs with no recognition from you at all.

    If its an activity issue, where is the flurry of Tory policies? (which should be quicker to submit, being one party) The house has been stagnant recently but actually we've probably had the most stable house in a while, who was the last leader change? Nigel?

    If 1 hour in 3000 satisfies you, I'm glad you oppose the motion.
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    If a government is refusing to govern by making up lots of excuses then that group of people should not form the government. It is absurd for the government to suggest the opposition should write a budget for the government to critique, it is ludicrous for the government to suggest the opposition creates policy ideas for the government, and it is false that all 30000 hours since the coalition's conception have been taken up with different things, preventing legislation from being created.

    LovepreetDhillon I would agree quality is more important that quantity but the government does neither, the Chancellor admitted serious errors in the budget, statements have been withdrawn after mistakes have been highlighted, an attempt to rectify an error resulted in failure, and most departments do not have any policies; quality over quantity does not apply here.

    That Bearded Man That is wrong, the right-wing has been stable, but the last leader change was in the Liberals where their leader disappeared, the change before that was in the Greens when Aph defected, and since then there have been constant cabinet changes.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
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    Well at least I haven't produced aload of
    useless petitions and trying to form a spin off of the Nat Libs making yourself seem active... At what's more you think you can leature me on the MHOC ? Sorry how long have you been here ? About 3 weeks ......
    I'm actually quite shocked by this immature response to a valid argument. Government output of bills equals that of con+kip, then there's all the statements and motions that mean the Government outmatch you in terms of output, so I really can't see how there's a platform for this MoNC that includes activity (or lack thereof).
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
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    Well at least I haven't produced aload of
    useless petitions and trying to form a spin off of the Nat Libs making yourself seem active... At what's more you think you can leature me on the MHOC ? Sorry how long have you been here ? About 3 weeks ......
    Great Tory leadership here, attacking someone who supports you, what great credentials for governing.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Nay. Since I was asked to second this, I've considered it and while I don't think this government's record is excellent by any means, it's not bad enough for them to be VoNC'd. Furthermore, I worry that another government would either be hastily thrown together like the Coalition of Doom last term, or worse, more right-wing than the existing one.
    Heyyy, they asked you and not me!

    Life_peer There's 2 Socialist MPs - I may or may not have confidence in the Government, it's summat I have to think about.

    Overall, I think the government are doing a decent job.

    Christ if the Socs were in power we'd be in trouble, we've just had a influx of new members and we'd be terribly understaffed.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
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    Well at least I haven't produced aload of
    useless petitions and trying to form a spin off of the Nat Libs making yourself seem active... At what's more you think you can leature me on the MHOC ? Sorry how long have you been here ? About 3 weeks ......
    The only bill you've had pass through the Lobby was authored by Nigel and myself with you as a seconder. Stop being an arse, you're a relative newbie.

    I welcome his start to the MHoC.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    So? That means nothing apart from helping to give a sense of the mock-parliament structure. This is a debating club, the point of which is that if you have an idea, you put it up for debate when it is ready, not stockpile it in case you ever become the government. But then, each to their own. If you Tories want to not debate your ideology, and be perceived as hypocrites, then that's your collective choice :dontknow:
    Yet most of us seem to be going to extremes in order to a) be in the government, and b) get their bills passed, so please, don't act like we're the oddball because it isn't true. If you practiced what you preach, you would resign because compared to everything I've seen here apart from the unfortunate abomination right before, you are severely underperforming.

    Okay, let's say your activity isn't an issue and we don't care about who can produce how many bills. Your government is incompetent! You have a cabinet position for each MP, yet only a couple of them have produced something and even that little was off. Made-up figures, misunderstanding of economy, clumsy research, random bad ideas (e.g. your latest nuclear deterrent) with their expected effects pulled out of thin air… I'm only repeating myself. If you seriously think you're not being a hypocrite here, we have nothing to talk about. It's one thing to support your party and another to refuse to admit obvious defects.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    The only bill you've had pass through the Lobby was authored by Nigel and myself with you as a seconder. Stop being an arse, you're a relative newbie.

    I welcome his start to the MHoC.
    I would be surprised if you welcome a pacifist to the Ministry of Defence, a £7000 council tax bill for poor people, a statement to leave the Commonwealth, and a plan to introduce vulnerable nuclear bombers.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    The only bill you've had pass through the Lobby was authored by Nigel and myself with you as a seconder. Stop being an arse, you're a relative newbie.

    I welcome his start to the MHoC.
    Hear hear!

    The last thing we need is people deterring new, positively contributing, members from the MHoC.
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    (Original post by hazzer1998)
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    Well at least I haven't produced aload of
    useless petitions and trying to form a spin off of the Nat Libs making yourself seem active... At what's more you think you can leature me on the MHOC ? Sorry how long have you been here ? About 3 weeks ......
    There's no need for that - we're trying to welcome new members, not attack them and this thread isn't about attacking individuals, it's for discussing the Government's record.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Do you welcome a pacifist to the Ministry of Defence, a £7000 council tax bill for poor people, a statement to leave the Commonwealth, and a plan to introduce vulnerable nuclear bombers?
    On the last point, we withdrew the motion. I'll say more on it later. Labour never backed it anyway
 
 
 
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