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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    And I wonder how many have actually been on benefits...
    Unless it escaped your notice, the people who aren't on benefits pay for it.
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    (Original post by Sephiroth)
    Tell me how giving billionaires millions of pounds that would have went into tax increases the standard of living across the country. All private companies care about is making people at the top and their shareholders rich. Jobs and wages tend to be kept at the minimum that they can get the job done with, so that the people at the top have even more money.

    What we really need to do - instead of your absurd idea - is to tax companies more and ensure fines for tax evasion are so crippling that no company would dare risk it. With the extra money raised we can increase the standard of living for everyone.
    These companies will simply leave the UK. And those 'rich shareholders' are usually pensioners who's pension funds have been invested alongside millions of other pensioners so they can earn an investment return on the decades of work and contributions they've paid.

    Socialist equality just means everyone being poor together.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    And I wonder how many have actually been on benefits...
    I wonder how many anti war protestors have fought on the front line.

    You do not need to have experienced something directly to have an opinion on it.
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    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    Unless it escaped your notice, the people who aren't on benefits pay for it.
    Obviously, I know that. But this thread seems to be full of teenagers who think they know it all. They don't. Contrary to what the media claim, we don't all spend our benefits on holidays and other ****. Nor are we all work shy with a million and one kids. Yet, some people in this thread think that because someone they supposedly know is on benefits is lazy, most of us are.

    Some of you need to stop watching the rubbish on channel five and daily mail.
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    (Original post by Bourdain)
    We need to cut spending. This is the only way for our economy to grow and finally compete with countries like America and China.
    This is a small country that is neither self-sufficient nor very rich in natural resources, it will never compete with the USA and China.

    A small percentage of public spending goes to people living on benefits anyhow.

    And I do not want this country to become like the USA or China. It does a much better job at looking after it's citizens and if one day you end up with no choice but to live on benefits for a while, you will be relieved that it isn't.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Obviously, I know that. But this thread seems to be full of teenagers who think they know it all. They don't. Contrary to what the media claim, we don't all spend our benefits on holidays and other ****. Nor are we all work shy with a million and one kids. Yet, some people in this thread think that because someone they supposedly know is on benefits is lazy, most of us are.

    Some of you need to stop watching the rubbish on channel five and daily mail.
    Listen. First do not put me with the daily mail readers, I detest it. Along with channel 5.

    Second, as much as they aren't all scroungers, some genuinely need it, but there are some that do waste it on useless crap. You are being very narrow minded.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    But TSR seems to be full of teenagers who think they know it all.
    Fixed that for ya.
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    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    Second, as much as they aren't all scroungers, some genuinely need it, but there are some that do waste it on useless crap. You are being very narrow minded.
    The way you word that makes it seem like the ones who need it are in the minority, which is the wrong way round. "Some" genuinely need it should read "Most" genuinely need it.

    Also, of course there are some that waste it on useless crap. Do you really think it can be a perfect system? Of course not. Humans have always wasted money on useless crap. Especially the wealthy.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    Actually that is the polar opposite that needs to be done.

    You're right about all companies being run for its shareholders.

    However racking up tax will just serve to place those business' elsewhere.

    There are more things we can do to tackle avoidance and evasion which would bring in a lot of revenue.

    Banning cash, taking away the rights of small island nations to be ultra low tax or zero tax, leaving the eu making it more difficult to move capital.

    All that is small beer compared to international tax laws which is the real issue when you aren't dealing with an SME.

    The western nations and it partners really need to set a base rate of taxation so these companies can't avoid tax below that rate.

    Then any country that refuses to agree to those regulations can have sanctions placed on them. Gun boat diplomacy for the 21st century if you like.

    All super difficult and no appetite for it yet


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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    The way you word that makes it seem like the ones who need it are in the minority, which is the wrong way round. "Some" genuinely need it should read "Most" genuinely need it.

    Also, of course there are some that waste it on useless crap. Do you really think it can be a perfect system? Of course not. Humans have always wasted money on useless crap. Especially the wealthy.
    We aren't debating on semantics, so stop looking to score cheap points.

    Ah, so you admit it then. The point is, is it fair that they should waste it on useless crap on the taxpayers money? The difference is that the wealthy can actually afford it. They can't. I'm not saying they all do it, but a proportion do.
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    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    We aren't debating on semantics, so stop looking to score cheap points.
    HAHA that made me laugh. Especially as the semantics are particularly important in that case. Maybe you should look to yourself as the person trying to score cheap points and stop projecting that onto me.

    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    Ah, so you admit it then. The point is, is it fair that they should waste it on useless crap on the taxpayers money?
    So in today's society with its plethora of unfairness, having fairly recently been wrecked by psycopathic incompetent bankers, for example, you're going to pick on a load of paupers who claim benefits money and highlight their spending habits as "unfair"?

    What do you mean "Is it fair"? Course it's fair. It's their money, they can spend it on what they want. What a stupid thing to obsess about. It just makes you come across as laughably supercilious and self righteous.

    The poor are an easy target, it would seem. Always have been, always will be.
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    HAHA that made me laugh. Especially as the semantics are particularly important in that case. Maybe you should look to yourself as the person trying to score cheap points and stop projecting that onto me.



    So in today's society with its plethora of unfairness, having fairly recently been wrecked by psycopathic incompetent bankers, for example, you're going to pick on a load of paupers who claim benefits money and highlight their spending habits as "unfair"?

    What do you mean "Is it fair"? Course it's fair. It's their money, they can spend it on what they want. What a stupid thing to obsess about. It just makes you come across as laughably supercilious and self righteous.

    The poor are an easy target, it would seem. Always have been, always will be.
    I agree, it's such a small issue it's as if they physically took the money out his pocket and went to the off-licence


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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    HAHA that made me laugh. Especially as the semantics are particularly important in that case. Maybe you should look to yourself as the person trying to score cheap points and stop projecting that onto me.



    So in today's society with its plethora of unfairness, having fairly recently been wrecked by psycopathic incompetent bankers, for example, you're going to pick on a load of paupers who claim benefits money and highlight their spending habits as "unfair"?

    What do you mean "Is it fair"? Course it's fair. It's their money, they can spend it on what they want. What a stupid thing to obsess about. It just makes you come across as laughably supercilious and self righteous.

    The poor are an easy target, it would seem. Always have been, always will be.
    Your attempts to appear intelligent are rather arrogant to be quite frank

    It isn't THEIR money, where does the money come from? :rofl:
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    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    Your attempts to appear intelligent are rather arrogant to be quite frank
    Explain.

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    It isn't THEIR money, where does the money come from? :rofl:
    Don't be obtuse. They are entitled to the money, they claim the money, therefore it's their money. Pretty simple really. Where it comes from is irrelevant. If you're going to ask that, you also need to ask where the bankers' bail-out money came from in 2008.
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    (Original post by frankieboy)
    Don't be obtuse. They are entitled to the money, they claim the money, therefore it's their money. Pretty simple really. Where it comes from is irrelevant. If you're going to ask that, you also need to ask where the bankers' bail-out money came from in 2008.
    Okay, in that case my Dad earns 7 figures a year. Should I be allowed it too because I can claim it? What does the tax payer get back from it?

    The difference is that the bankers contributed to society first, most of benefits have never paid taxes or national insurance.
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    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    Okay, in that case my Dad earns 7 figures a year. Should I be allowed it too because I can claim it? What does the tax payer get back from it?
    If you're allowed to claim it, you can claim it regardless of what your Dad earns. What does the tax payer get back from it? I'm not sure what you mean by this.

    (Original post by TheOpinion)
    The difference is that the bankers contributed to society first, most of benefits have never paid taxes or national insurance.
    First off, where are you getting the information that most benefits claimants have never paid taxes or national insurance, and secondly, the bankers may have contributed towards society, but they then wrecked the society they contributed towards in no uncertain terms. This action far outweighed the initial contribution they had made by an extremely high magnitude.
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    (Original post by Jimib5863)
    **** you! I'm on benefits and I NEEDED it. I used it to get my GCSE's and it's funded my Access course. Now I can finally sign off benefits when I start uni in Sept.
    How exactly did your benefits pay for your GCSEs and Access course (no offence im just curious how that works as an access course is around £3000... How much benefits were you getting exactly)
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    (Original post by Reue)
    I wonder how many anti war protestors have fought on the front line.

    You do not need to have experienced something directly to have an opinion on it.
    The comparison would be more apt if you were talking about the pro-war advocates - the people who've never experienced the horror but are comfortable ignoring those who have and demanding it be worse for them. Signing on is an utterly soul crushing experience, and the people who would genuinely choose it, complete with being shifted from big store to big store as effectively slave labour (the companies get free labour while the tax-payer foots the bill for the pound or so an hour they receive - IMO a far bigger abuse of the money I pay in than someone buying a 20p can of tescos on budget lager to get through the night) are thin on the ground to say the least.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    The comparison would be more apt if you were talking about the pro-war advocates
    Indeed, feel free to make other comparisons. My point remains the same.
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    (Original post by Reue)
    Indeed, feel free to make other comparisons. My point remains the same.
    Your point may remain the same but it's a bit of a non-comment - people can have an opinion on something they've never experienced, but they should probably accept that their opinion is codswallop when told so by people who've actually experienced it - something people who moan about benefits being too cushy seem to have a hard time with.
 
 
 
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