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Reply 1
That article is referring to something else - mainly preventing the medical records held by your GP being made available to a national database. You can ask to see your medical records (and anything held about you by a public institution) under the Data Protection Act. However, i dont think you can have your medical records destroyed as far as i am aware, if it is possible, the NHS is the best place to find out - its extremely unlikely anyone here has ever attempted such a thing.

On another note, why would you want to have them destroyed?
I worked for a few months last summer in the records department of an NHS hospital.

As far as I'm aware, you can't have your medical records destroyed, because of the fact that they are ncredibly important should you be taken ill - that way, whoever's treating you can call up all of your history and past illnesses. Even if you're intending to go Private, (which is what I assume you mean by 'withdrawing' from the NHS), the records are kept at your local hospital and merely taken to wherever it is they're needed as and when.

I was actually incredibly surprised at how every single set of notes is kept watch over - if a private hospital, clinic or otherwise calls up to request them, then you have to 'tracer' them out (that is, you have to keep an electronic record of exactly where the notes are at all times) and it's an incredibly efficient system. Anyhow, I digress.
If you're interested in seeing sections of your notes (there are still a couple of sections that you aren't necessarily allowed to see without your Dr's say so - such as the psychiatric section should he/she deem it detrimental to your treatment, or something), then you can do that through the Data Protection Act. If that's what you're interested in doing, I'd suggest calling up your local hospital switchboard, and asking for the Records Department, who will most likely refer you through to someone in whichever department it is at the hospital which deals with members of the public - it might be called something different depending on the hospital, so the Records Dept. is really your first stop, as they're trained in where to send people who are interested in seeing their records.

Even if you should go private as I said above, your medical records are kept in order to help whoever it is that's treating you. Bear in mind if you fell down unconcious in the middle of a street, you would first be taken to the nearest NHS hospital to stabilise you before they could even consider moving you to a private hospital, and regardless of which hospital you were at, they'd need to know what your medical history was in order to assess what was going on.

Hope that helped :smile:
Reply 3
The health service has a duty of care to you - but also to the public in general. I mean, if you develop a medical condition which would make you an unsafe driver, despite normally keeping things confidential between the two of you, your doctor would have to inform the police, even if this went against your wishes.

If one person could get their record destroyed, then everyone would be able to - and what if people with rare infectious diseases had their records destroyed? In an outbreak, it would make treating those people much more difficult and other people could get infected whilst the doctors were trying to figure out what was wrong.

Plus, on a more personal level - you could request drugs from one doctor, have your record destroyed, then get more from another doctor, which you would not need and thus could harm you (overdose).

I can understand why you might want the records destroyed, but at the same time, I don't think it would be possible.
Reply 4
Why would you want them destroyed? Are you worried about the details of them getting into the public domain?
scribble_girl
I worked for a few months last summer in the records department of an NHS hospital.

As far as I'm aware, you can't have your medical records destroyed, because of the fact that they are ncredibly important should you be taken ill - that way, whoever's treating you can call up all of your history and past illnesses. Even if you're intending to go Private, (which is what I assume you mean by 'withdrawing' from the NHS), the records are kept at your local hospital and merely taken to wherever it is they're needed as and when.

I was actually incredibly surprised at how every single set of notes is kept watch over - if a private hospital, clinic or otherwise calls up to request them, then you have to 'tracer' them out (that is, you have to keep an electronic record of exactly where the notes are at all times) and it's an incredibly efficient system. Anyhow, I digress.
If you're interested in seeing sections of your notes (there are still a couple of sections that you aren't necessarily allowed to see without your Dr's say so - such as the psychiatric section should he/she deem it detrimental to your treatment, or something), then you can do that through the Data Protection Act. If that's what you're interested in doing, I'd suggest calling up your local hospital switchboard, and asking for the Records Department, who will most likely refer you through to someone in whichever department it is at the hospital which deals with members of the public - it might be called something different depending on the hospital, so the Records Dept. is really your first stop, as they're trained in where to send people who are interested in seeing their records.

Even if you should go private as I said above, your medical records are kept in order to help whoever it is that's treating you. Bear in mind if you fell down unconcious in the middle of a street, you would first be taken to the nearest NHS hospital to stabilise you before they could even consider moving you to a private hospital, and regardless of which hospital you were at, they'd need to know what your medical history was in order to assess what was going on.

Hope that helped :smile:


having worked ina records dept i would have thought you'd realise how silly a suggestion it is that if someone collapsed on the street and was admitted that the Drs would get hold of their notes any time soon. as far as i can see it often takes upto 5days for notes to materialise.

but i agree. 'withdrawing from nhs' you what! if you could pull this stunt then all the hypochondriacs and crazies in the country would have tried it. clean slate and all that.

I can see no good reason at all for someone to try to have their records deleted. properly bad confidentiality leaks are exceedingly rare.
Jamie
having worked ina records dept i would have thought you'd realise how silly a suggestion it is that if someone collapsed on the street and was admitted that the Drs would get hold of their notes any time soon. as far as i can see it often takes upto 5days for notes to materialise.

but i agree. 'withdrawing from nhs' you what! if you could pull this stunt then all the hypochondriacs and crazies in the country would have tried it. clean slate and all that.

I can see no good reason at all for someone to try to have their records deleted. properly bad confidentiality leaks are exceedingly rare.



Erm, no - at least, I know that at the hospital I was working at, all scheduled visits were done as part of a rota, but A&E could call up and request us to send notes up via the blue box system or to send a 'Bluey' - hospital volenteers - down to collect them and take them up to where they were needed, which would be done within a few hours or less. (Having said that, the 'Bluey's didn't do much; they wouldn't go outside of the main hospital because most of them were 60+ and the records department had it's own outside building, which was a bit stupid!). But anyway, how can you say it takes 5 days in order to send records from one side of the hospital to the other? You honestly think they could treat someone for 5 days without any knowledge of their pre-existing medical conditions? :rolleyes:

Having said that, you may be referring to GP notes, which is slightly different - the notes your GP holds are fewer, and kept at your Dr's surgery, and can take a while to be requested through (though everything important is copied onto your hospital notes and most sheets etc can be faxed through if they're really that important.) So even that would almost certainly be done in the day.

If it's any help, OP, what Jamie said is true in the confidentiality leaks rarely happen; it's a particularly stringent process. For example, even if when I had to fax some doctor's letters over to a clinic, i had to cover the patient's name and ring through afterwards, and only when I confirmed that the correct person was in posession of them was I allowed to check that it was for the right patient name (until that point it's all done by hospital number, so it's not even like if anyone intercepted it they could know that it was yours.)
Reply 7
I don't get why you want your deleated? Sorry? But why?
Reply 8
hansol


You can opt out of having your details on a national database, but the records will still be held by the NHS, they just wont be compiled in one location. If you've found all this out yourself you really don't need our help, do you?
Reply 9
give me £200.. i'll do it for you.. i have access to these kinds of things :p:
scribble_girl
Erm, no - at least, I know that at the hospital I was working at, all scheduled visits were done as part of a rota, but A&E could call up and request us to send notes up via the blue box system or to send a 'Bluey' - hospital volenteers - down to collect them and take them up to where they were needed, which would be done within a few hours or less. (Having said that, the 'Bluey's didn't do much; they wouldn't go outside of the main hospital because most of them were 60+ and the records department had it's own outside building, which was a bit stupid!). But anyway, how can you say it takes 5 days in order to send records from one side of the hospital to the other? You honestly think they could treat someone for 5 days without any knowledge of their pre-existing medical conditions? :rolleyes:

Having said that, you may be referring to GP notes, which is slightly different - the notes your GP holds are fewer, and kept at your Dr's surgery, and can take a while to be requested through (though everything important is copied onto your hospital notes and most sheets etc can be faxed through if they're really that important.) So even that would almost certainly be done in the day.

If it's any help, OP, what Jamie said is true in the confidentiality leaks rarely happen; it's a particularly stringent process. For example, even if when I had to fax some doctor's letters over to a clinic, i had to cover the patient's name and ring through afterwards, and only when I confirmed that the correct person was in posession of them was I allowed to check that it was for the right patient name (until that point it's all done by hospital number, so it's not even like if anyone intercepted it they could know that it was yours.)

nope, i was referring to hospital notes.
they can take forever to arrive, literally days.
how do you cope without them? easily
I saw this thread and thought it was a little insane (probably not the best of words but you get my jist). I can't understand why anyone would want their medical records deleted. I can understand why someone would want events from their past deleted but that is not exactly possible.

I'm moving back home at the weekend so will have to change GP. I really hope that my medical records are transferred in tact as I really do not want to explain recent events to my new GP when I register. I don't want anyone else to see my records (as I have some embarrassing issues), of course, but the NHS is by no means bad at keeping things confidential. I have always been asked permission before my GP shared my notes with my counsellor, even when I was a risk to myself.
Reply 12
you want to withdraw from the NHS? one gets the inkling that this is not the best idea in the world..
Reply 13
It sounds a little dodgy to be honest, i can't think of any legitimate reasons for why anyone would want to (beyond the extremely rare example in the link at the start of the thread).
Reply 14
choochie
you want to withdraw from the NHS? one gets the inkling that this is not the best idea in the world..


Also not the worst given some circumstances. I'll throw an example out:

Some countres require medical data before considering you for immigration. A specific would be if you had HIV. If your planning on leaving this country you have no need for the NHS service, and the fact they have this data on you which, if passed on, would mean you couldnt move to another country. Would seem like a pretty good reason to get out of the nhs to me.

I'll be making sure i opt-out of the national database.
WTF!! Sorry but why on planet earth would you want to have your records destroyed? your records are an essential documentation that will be needed throughout your life should you be taken ill, ie look up previous medical history n etc

GD
Reply 16
Gloucesterdancer
your records are an essential documentation that will be needed throughout your life should you be taken ill, ie look up previous medical histroy n etc
GD


Under that logic, why not keep a record of everything.. and i do mean everything, youve ever done? Why not have people tracked everywhere they go, have everything they eat/drink/wear/do recorded, Because they *may* be useful in the future...
Reply 17
I would like mine destroyed, I'd quite happily carry the records around with me at all times on some kind of electronic chip though.
Reply 18
Why would you want your medical records destroyed, it's not like the public can just look at them, the only people who can are health professionals, and do you think there going to judge? There trained not to. Strange request.
Reply 19
I just don't understand why anybody would want to do this... you have nothing to lose my keeping your medical history within the NHS surely?