...when Islam (in general) is definitely not accepting towards the LGBT community.
Let's take Islam in the UK for example. A gallup poll reported by 'the Guardian' found that none of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
Here is another study by Pew Research on Muslim's attitude towards homosexuality (summarised in an infographic). Unfortunately, the poll didn't include any Western European countries.
![]()
x
Turn on thread page Beta
-
NickLCFC
- Follow
- 20 followers
- 14 badges
- Send a private message to NickLCFC
- Thread Starter
Offline14ReputationRep:- Follow
- 1
- 19-02-2016 15:39
Last edited by NickLCFC; 19-02-2016 at 17:25. -
Pseudo-truth
- Follow
- 2 followers
- 2 badges
- Send a private message to Pseudo-truth
Offline2ReputationRep:- Follow
- 2
- 19-02-2016 15:44
LGBT peeps are a minority social group, so tend to look after the interests of other minorities for the sake of solidarity and social justice, even if their interests don't necessarily align.
Watch the film 'Pride' for a better indication of what I'm talking about! It's a genuinely great movie with a good, historical grounding. -
- Follow
- 3
- 19-02-2016 15:49
Ostensibly because they feel that Muslims, like them, are an oppressed minority and therefore a natural ally. Shame that it's a pretty one-sided arrangement.
-
ivybridge
- Follow
- 148 followers
- 3 badges
- Send a private message to ivybridge
- Visit ivybridge's homepage!
Offline3ReputationRep:- Follow
- 4
- 19-02-2016 15:49
I can only speak for myself but before I do I just want to say that asking for 'islamaphobia' to stop is not supporting Islam - its asking for hatred on the grounds of belief to stop.
From where I'm standing, you can't put everyone in the same basket. My best friend is muslim and he and his family have accepted me and support me a lot but they are devout. People don't deserve to be hated for having a religious faith and we get what its like to be persecuted for... nothing, really.
Also, 500 people is nothing. And not agreeing with gay sex doesn't really mean they hate gay people.Last edited by ivybridge; 19-02-2016 at 15:51. -
The Sociopath
- Follow
- 4 followers
- 1 badge
- Send a private message to The Sociopath
Offline1ReputationRep:- Follow
- 5
- 19-02-2016 15:52
(Original post by Pseudo-truth)
LGBT peeps are a minority social group, so tend to look after the interests of other minorities for the sake of solidarity and social justice, even if their interests don't necessarily align.(Original post by Hydeman)
Ostensibly because they feel that Muslims, like them, are an oppressed minority and therefore a natural ally. Shame that it's a pretty one-sided arrangement. -
TorpidPhil
- Follow
- 86 followers
- 18 badges
- Send a private message to TorpidPhil
Offline18ReputationRep:- Follow
- 6
- 19-02-2016 15:52
(Original post by ivybridge)
I can only speak for myself but before I do I just want to say that asking for 'islamaphobia' to stop is not supporting Islam - its asking for hatred on the grounds of belief to stop.
From where I'm standing, you can't put everyone in the same basket. My best friend is muslim and he and his family have accepted me and support me a lot but they are devout. People don't deserve to be hated for having a religious faith and we get what its like to be persecuted for... nothing, really.
Also, 500 people is nothing. And not agreeing with gay sex doesn't really mean they hate gay people. -
- Follow
- 7
- 19-02-2016 15:55
(Original post by NickLCFC)
...when Islam (in general) is definitely not accepting towards the LGBT community.
Let's take Islam in the UK for example. A gallop poll reported by 'the Guardian' found that none of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality -
- Follow
- 8
- 19-02-2016 15:56
Intersectional feminism
-
NickLCFC
- Follow
- 20 followers
- 14 badges
- Send a private message to NickLCFC
- Thread Starter
Offline14ReputationRep:- Follow
- 9
- 19-02-2016 15:59
(Original post by ivybridge)
I can only speak for myself but before I do I just want to say that asking for 'islamaphobia' to stop is not supporting Islam - its asking for hatred on the grounds of belief to stop.
(Original post by ivybridge)
From where I'm standing, you can't put everyone in the same basket. My best friend is muslim and he and his family have accepted me and support me a lot but they are devout. People don't deserve to be hated for having a religious faith and we get what its like to be persecuted for... nothing, really.
(Original post by ivybridge)
Also, 500 people is nothing. And not agreeing with gay sex doesn't really mean they hate gay people.Last edited by NickLCFC; 19-02-2016 at 22:48. -
ivybridge
- Follow
- 148 followers
- 3 badges
- Send a private message to ivybridge
- Visit ivybridge's homepage!
Offline3ReputationRep:- Follow
- 10
- 19-02-2016 16:06
(Original post by TorpidPhil)
Asking for hatred to stop when it is based on someone's beliefs is absolutely ridiculous. You really do say some insane **** you. Someone's beliefs are one of the very best justifications for hatred towards them.
(Original post by NickLCFC)
Not true. Oxford dictionary defines Islamophobia "dislike of or predjudice against Muslims or Islam, especially as a political force". In other words, if someone dislikes Islam or disagrees with its ideology, that's Islamophobia. Ignore the image anyway, it's irrelevant to the point I'm making.
And that's purely anecdotal evidence. You can't put everyone in the same basket but you can put the majority of Muslims in the same basket. Hence why I said "Islam (in general". Also, I never said people deserve to be hated for having a religious faith...
You obviously don't know how opinion polls work. It's a sample size, it's a representation of the wider population, obviously there is a margin of error. It's the same way they election results are predicted and it is still a pretty accurate representation.
I'm not entering into this any further. I gave my opinion, get over it and TorpidPhil, you can just **** right off - get off of my back. Not everybody thinks as you do and your opinions about me are boring - you do not even know me, this is the ****ing internet for crying out loud. -
- Follow
- 11
- 19-02-2016 16:08
Typical knee-jerk SJW reaction. Most of them probably believe the "Islam is a religion of peace" trope, and have no idea that some of the people who they are supporting believe that they should be killed (or at least, the ideology that they support believes that they should be killed).
Last edited by Tank Girl; 24-02-2016 at 12:26. -
NickLCFC
- Follow
- 20 followers
- 14 badges
- Send a private message to NickLCFC
- Thread Starter
Offline14ReputationRep:- Follow
- 12
- 19-02-2016 16:09
(Original post by ivybridge)
Look, both of you, I offered a harmless opinion that isn't at all out of line and you've both just ****ing gone for me. Don't ask for views if you can't swallow them.
I'm not entering into this any further. I gave my opinion, get over it and TorpidPhil, you can just **** right off - get off of my back. Not everybody thinks as you do and your opinions about me are boring - you do not even know me, this is the ****ing internet for crying out loud.Last edited by NickLCFC; 19-02-2016 at 16:28. -
TorpidPhil
- Follow
- 86 followers
- 18 badges
- Send a private message to TorpidPhil
Offline18ReputationRep:- Follow
- 13
- 19-02-2016 16:27
(Original post by ivybridge)
I meant more TorpidTwat. Lmao.
Anyway, all I can say is I wasn't really talking about what you did and didn't say - I was talking generally about Islam and Homosexuality.
Plus, you're just being a pedant... I said islamaphobia is basically being an idiot because you don't like the beliefs pr whatever, I just didn't look to te OED for a poncey definition but they're more or less exactly the same in concept. So, I'm not really sure what you're twisting it into something else for... it is what it is.
The final paragraph about the sampling - yes, I do know how it works but '500' isn't accurate. There's thousands of muslims in this nation. I don't think 500 is particularly fair sampling but I suppose that is neither here nor there.
Thank you for respecting my opinion - I respect yours too. -
ivybridge
- Follow
- 148 followers
- 3 badges
- Send a private message to ivybridge
- Visit ivybridge's homepage!
Offline3ReputationRep:- Follow
- 14
- 19-02-2016 16:33
(Original post by NickLCFC)
As far as I'm concerned there's nothing wrong with being Islamophobic. It's just a word used to shut down debate about Islam that needs to be had. Like I said before, disliking Islam or negatively criticising the ideology is technically 'Islamophobia' and I don't see a problem with that.
Fine, maybe the study is inaccurate, there are various other studies to refer to. If you can't come to terms with the majority of Muslims being against homosexuality then I think you are pretty deluded.
Mate, my patience is just going with you - I didn't say that a lot of muslims think homosexuality is brilliant and are supportive; I know that is rubbish. However, my point is that I personally put my personal opinion aside - I don't condone hatred any ways, regardless of whether I myself am hated for things I cannot control. Furthermore, as I said in the beginning, my point is that you can think homosexual sex is immoral and not think homosexuals are disgusting or be hateful towards them. They are not the same thing. It isn't like you cannot have one thing without the other.Last edited by ivybridge; 19-02-2016 at 16:35. -
ivybridge
- Follow
- 148 followers
- 3 badges
- Send a private message to ivybridge
- Visit ivybridge's homepage!
Offline3ReputationRep:- Follow
- 15
- 19-02-2016 16:35
(Original post by QE2)
Typical knee-jerk SJW reaction. Most of them probably believe the "Islam is a religion of peace" trope, and have no idea that the people who they are supporting believe that they should be killed (or at least, the ideology that they support believes that they should be killed - which amounts to the same). -
- Follow
- 16
- 19-02-2016 16:39
(Original post by NickLCFC)
Let's take Islam in the UK for example. A gallop poll reported by 'the Guardian' found that none of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable.
Yes, Islamophobia is an unfortunate term to use, given that it's justifiable to be scared of Islam itself. I'm also Christophobic. But, everyone knows exactly what people mean by Islamophobia, so arguing over the terminology used is completely redundant.Last edited by viddy9; 19-02-2016 at 16:41. -
Lord Samosa
- Follow
- 194 followers
- 19 badges
- Send a private message to Lord Samosa
Offline19ReputationRep:- Follow
- 17
- 19-02-2016 16:39
I'm against homophobia just like how they're against islamophobia. Even if there are some disagreements we can see that inciting hatred on a large group of people is wrong.
Spoiler:Showinb4 "but islamophobia only means hatred of Islam not Muslims", That only leads to more hated of Muslims anyway -
StrangeBanana
- Follow
- 27 followers
- 19 badges
- Send a private message to StrangeBanana
Offline19ReputationRep:- Follow
- 18
- 19-02-2016 16:41
(Original post by TorpidPhil)
Asking for hatred to stop when it is based on someone's beliefs is absolutely ridiculous. You really do say some insane **** you. Someone's beliefs are one of the very best justifications for hatred towards them.
This is the second irrational rage-post of yours I've seen. Are you having a bad week, mate? -
NickLCFC
- Follow
- 20 followers
- 14 badges
- Send a private message to NickLCFC
- Thread Starter
Offline14ReputationRep:- Follow
- 19
- 19-02-2016 16:41
(Original post by ivybridge)
Yes but people don't criticise just the ideology - they criticise the people and persecute them. They brand them all as terrorists and so on. Its unfair and I think that's what is being protested against.
Mate, my patience is just going with you - I didn't say that a lot of muslims think homosexuality is brilliant and are supportive; I know that is rubbish. However, my point is that I personally put my personal opinion aside - I don't condone hatred any ways, regardless of whether I myself am hated for things I cannot control. Furthermore, as I said in the beginning, my point is that you can think homosexual sex is immoral and not think homosexuals are disgusting or be hateful towards them. They are not the same thing. It isn't like you cannot have one thing without the other.
Last edited by NickLCFC; 19-02-2016 at 16:44. -
- Follow
- 20
- 19-02-2016 16:43
(Original post by Lord Samosa)
I'm against homophobia just like how they're against islamophobia. Even if there are some disagreements we can see that inciting hatred on a large group of people is wrong.
Spoiler:Showinb4 "but islamophobia only means hatred of Islam not Muslims", That only leads to more hated of Muslims anyway
Reply
Submit reply
Turn on thread page Beta
Related discussions:
- LGBT against Islamophobia
- 15-year-old lgbt muslim, considering leaving islam - AMA
- Why is it okay for LGBT people to hate on religion but not the ...
- The religious oppressing the LGBT community?
- LGBT Iftaar to bring together London?s Muslim and LGBT ...
- lgbt islam
- Wrestling with Islam.
- Shooting in gay club in Florida
- Gay / LGBT MUSLIMS support thread.
- Will gay people never have equal rights?
TSR Support Team
We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.
This forum is supported by:
Updated: February 21, 2016
Share this discussion:
Tweet