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How Lenient is Imperial With Conditions?

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spencer11111
When is it that Maths graduates from Imperial are favoured? (I would be really happy if that's the case)...

They/We have no special skills... that are immediately applicable to the work place.


Do you really believe that maths is such a crappy subject!? What about analytical skills? Numerical skills? etc? I can honestly say that I find it as one of the most developing degrees one can do.

And you said that EEE and CS were probably the only good subjects at Imperial? :s-smilie: probably just plain wrong...what about every other engineering course? and medicine? And what do think plays a big part in both enginnering and say computer science? probably a bit of maths...

And one Imperial maths staff holds a fields medal! Not too bad...And if this department is the worst at Imperial (ond ONLY on par with oxford) then I guess the rest is just better than harvards...
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love2learn7
because the admissions tutor couldnt answer your Q........ a very career-lead approach! :rolleyes:

They gave you an offer for a reason. If it could have been lowered they wouldnt have given you a higher one originally!

I dont think you quite realise how much Imperial and in particular maths is favoured by employers?!


1. If I have to list the numerous reasons for why I chose UCL over Imperial again, I will have to punch someone.
2. Not everyone chooses their universities with career in mind. Perhaps you would like to elaborate on how employers won't like UCL mathematicians? :rolleyes:
3. I am perfectly aware that the majority of students and employers absolutely love Imperial. I am also fully aware that given the choice, many students would choose Imperial Maths over UCL. I, however, don't go by reputation. The majority means nothing to me.
4. You have no evidence to assume that I am not aware of "how much Imperial and in particular maths is favoured by employers?!". You seem to forget that just because an idea is popular, it doesn't mean it is popular amongst everybody. I didn't choose UCL just because the name is easier to say.
5. Nowhere did I mention that I am trying to get my offer lowered, nor have I ever had that idea in mind.
6. You also have no idea whether the UCL admissions tutor COULD actually answer my question. I only stated that I had a reply.

@ The_Luvbster: If I don't get into Maths this year, I will reapply for Physics next year, because I know whatever happens, I will get the grade for at least UCL physics (which isn't much!) Then I will go back to do a second degree in Maths; which is a reverse plan, because at the moment I plan to do Maths first, then Physics.
I used to want to apply to St Andrews, but then I thought...no point, I'm sticking with London... Apparently St Andrews lets you into 2nd year if you get 36 pts or above? Last time I heard, it was the case anyway. I was quite tempted.

That said, if I dread having to do the whole UCAS thing again. I hope it doesn't come to that. Then again, if I don't get into Maths, I can just be a homeless hobo shouting random equations and concepts at people on the street :biggrin: it is certainly less work :cool:
Rickard.N
The math grads I think, according to statistics on the Imperial website only about 60 % (sometimes less) of students get firsts or 2:1's, which seems extremely hard.

could you get me a link.
Rickard.N
Do you really believe that maths is such a crappy subject!? What about analytical skills? Numerical skills? etc? I can honestly say that I find it as one of the most developing degrees one can do.

And you said that EEE and CS were probably the only good subjects at Imperial? :s-smilie: probably just plain wrong...what about every other engineering course? and medicine? And what do think plays a big part in both enginnering and say computer science? probably a bit of maths...

And one Imperial maths staff holds a fields medal! Not too bad...And if this department is the worst at Imperial (ond ONLY on par with oxford) then I guess the rest is just better than harvards...

No you got me wrong. Maths is not a "crappy" subject. If it is crappy I would have entered EEE or something. I have the grade, really. But I foresee that the world now is changing so rapidly that it becomes unpredictable. It is hard to say which single industry would flourish in the next 30 years. Some say that because people are living longer nowadays, they need more medical care and hence Biomedical is the way. Some say China and India are developing and they have many high net worths there so finance is the area. There is also an ongoing debate of how much maths a person should have. One school of thought is that with the advert of computers, we don't need to learn so much maths. The Americans are taking this view, evident from how they changed the format of the SAT to scale the maths component from 50% to 33%. Another view is that in the future increasingly more sophisticated calculus and statistical methods/modules would be used in increasingly more fields. What happened to physics 300 years ago (the change from descriptive (eg lens and optics to mathematical eg the equation 1/i + 1/o = 1/f)) would happen to finance soon enough, hence maths up to university level would be the extremely useful. So I am taking maths partly because it is a general degree that would allow me to branch of to a variety of things in the future.

EEE and CS are the niche areas. The engineering side is where Imperial is damn famous. The natural science must be good too but it is definitely not say ground breaking. Maths play a part and it is general, hence I am studying it. It gives me endless options! Medicine at Imperial is not really that good. Until recently the offer for Imperial medicine is AAB, whereas for Maths it has been AAA (but many with AAA are rejected...). AAA is the bare minimum for EEE and CS at Imperial, where it is probably the best in the UK. For maths, Imperial and Oxford is a far way from Cambridge, where it is not only the best in the UK but probably the best in the world (perhaps behind Princeton). Oxford is primary regarded as an arts institute when compare to Cambridge, which is more science orientated.
EDIT: Most of the time when speaking about numerical skills, high school maths would suffice. Of course, there is an ongoing debate of whether in the future calculus and statistical methods would be routinely introduced. It is not yet now.
spencer11111
No you got me wrong. Maths is not a "crappy" subject. If it is crappy I would have entered EEE or something. I have the grade, really. But I foresee that the world now is changing so rapidly that it becomes unpredictable. It is hard to say which single industry would flourish in the next 30 years. Some say that because people are living longer nowadays, they need more medical care and hence Biomedical is the way. Some say China and India are developing and they have many high net worths there so finance is the area. There is also an ongoing debate of how much maths a person should have. One school of thought is that with the advert of computers, we don't need to learn so much maths. The Americans are taking this view, evident from how they changed the format of the SAT to scale the maths component from 50% to 33%. Another view is that in the future increasingly more sophisticated calculus and statistical methods/modules would be used in increasingly more fields. What happened to physics 300 years ago (the change from descriptive (eg lens and optics to mathematical eg the equation 1/i + 1/o = 1/f)) would happen to finance soon enough, hence maths up to university level would be the extremely useful. So I am taking maths partly because it is a general degree that would allow me to branch of to a variety of things in the future.

EEE and CS are the niche areas. The engineering side is where Imperial is damn famous. The natural science must be good too but it is definitely not say ground breaking. Maths play a part and it is general, hence I am studying it. It gives me endless options! Medicine at Imperial is not really that good. Until recently the offer for Imperial medicine is AAB, whereas for Maths it has been AAA (but many with AAA are rejected...). AAA is the bare minimum for EEE and CS at Imperial, where it is probably the best in the UK. For maths, Imperial and Oxford is a far way from Cambridge, where it is not only the best in the UK but probably the best in the world (perhaps behind Princeton). Oxford is primary regarded as an arts institute when compare to Cambridge, which is more science orientated.


Yeah, im sorry hehe, should have waited a couple of minutes before posting that really, it is crazy how easy one gets emotionall about these kind of things:p:

Though I still not agree that Imperial isnt that good for medicine :wink:
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could you get me a link.


http://www3.imperial.ac.uk/portal/pls/portallive/docs/1/7280074.PDF

There you go. :smile:
Rickard.N
Yeah, im sorry hehe, should have waited a couple of minutes before posting that really, it is crazy how easy one gets emotionall about these kind of things:p:

Though I still not agree that Imperial isnt that good for medicine :wink:

The medicine faculty is new. It is only becoming popular amongst the students simply because of the overall reputation of Imperial.
Regarding the % of 2.1 or above rite, the maths dept is trying to keep standards I guess. The college would want they depts to give more 2.1 or above because this is counted in the newspaper rankings and it would help swing whether Imperial is 3rd or 4th.

I have a friend who is doing law at LSE. According to him, for his current year, about 23% got 1st, while 70% got a 2.1!!! Hence LSE is trying to keep standard by giving few 1st, but then trying to satisfy the newspapers by giving 2.1s like candies.
love2learn7
oxford maths isnt that bad! lol

apparently there is an ongoing argument between central faculty and the maths dept because not as many are getting 2.1's and 1sts...

Btw is it hard to get into MSc Maths at Oxford? I know for Cambridge it is 80%+ average, which is well above 1st class (70%).

What grades is needed to enter Oxford Maths?
love2learn7
i dont even think they should include it! how can they when the same subject at diff uni's have diff exams?!?!?!?!?


ONLY 57.2% of maths students at Imperial got 2.1 or above???
God I am switching to Computing, where 86.0% got 2.1 or above and the starting salary is £30,000/annum vs. math's £25,000/annum!!!!!
Maths is amongst the worst (hardest) 3 depts in Imperial to get 2.1 or above...
spencer11111
ONLY 57.2% of maths students at Imperial got 2.1 or above???
God I am switching to Computing, where 86.0% got 2.1 or above and the starting salary is £30,000/annum vs. math's £25,000/annum!!!!!


yeah it's crazy! you think it is possible to switch betwean those two? not because I want to or anything, or I don't know :p:
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spencer11111
Btw is it hard to get into MSc Maths at Oxford? I know for Cambridge it is 80%+ average, which is well above 1st class (70%).

What grades is needed to enter Oxford Maths?


That's because the Cambridge PartIII (CASM) is the hardest postgraduate qualification in the world.

All you need for the Oxford Masters is a 'good honours degree' (so 2.i+).

You might be able to switch to Joint Maths and Computing btw, but I'm not sure you'd be able to switch into pure Computing.
fais
That's because the Cambridge PartIII (CASM) is the hardest postgraduate qualification in the world.

All you need for the Oxford Masters is a 'good honours degree' (so 2.i+).

You might be able to switch to Joint Maths and Computing btw, but I'm not sure you'd be able to switch into pure Computing.


Nice, so my hope of someday ending up in oxbridge isn't all lost :smile: No one told me about their application deadline :frown:

And I don't know if i'd like computing, never been that into it tbh.
fais
That's because the Cambridge PartIII (CASM) is the hardest postgraduate qualification in the world.

All you need for the Oxford Masters is a 'good honours degree' (so 2.i+).

You might be able to switch to Joint Maths and Computing btw, but I'm not sure you'd be able to switch into pure Computing.

Is it that easy? There are like so many people with 2.1+ for maths. How is Oxford going to guard its doors? So if I get a 2.1 for maths at Imperial, do I have a good chance for Oxford Maths?

How about Cambridge then? Do they have other MSc Maths that is not CASM/Part3???
love2learn7
maths, aero, computing and EEE are the hardest courses i believe

No... I was saying statistically, EEE and Computing has a way higher 2.1+ than maths.
places for JMC is limited. There are only 30 places and competition is fierce.
spencer11111
places for JMC is limited. There are only 30 places and competition is fierce.

But wasn't that course on extra? my younger brother is considering switching to it, because he says straight maths is just too hard.
is he at Imperial already? Is the 1st yr too hard?

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