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A132 - Manifesto Content Amendment
Proposed by: Saracen’s Fez MP (LAB)
Seconded by: Airmed MP (LIB), Andy98 MP (GRN), Aph MP (LIB), barnetlad MP (GRN), cBay MP (LAB), cranbrook_aspie MP (LAB), EricAteYou MP (LAB), Imperion MP (LIB), JoeL1994 MP (LIB), Kalail MP (LAB), Kay_Winters MP (LAB), Midnightmemories MP (LIB), Nigel Farage MEP MP (UKIP), PetrosAC MP (LIB), TheDefiniteArticle MP (SOC)

This House would adjust the Guidance Document as follows:

The following shall be removed from the section entitled "General Elections":

4) Manifestos submitted must be less than 450 words and may not contain videos or audio clips unless created by a member of the party in question. The Speaker will cut the manifesto at the 450 word mark if they go over.
4) i) all words typed or spoken within the manifesto will be counted (this excludes the 20 word tagline).
4) ii) videos and audio clips will be removed before textual content is until the word limit is met.
5) Manifestos can include up to 2 images.
6) Manifestos are allowed a 20 word tagline.

and shall be replaced with the following, with the numbering adjusted accordingly:

4) Manifestos submitted must be less than 450 words.
4) i) Manifestos may not contain more than two image files.
4) ii) Manifestos may not contain audio or video files.
4) iii) Manifestos may not contain pictures of, or quotes attributed to, any real-life figure, living or dead, political or otherwise.
4) iv) Where a manifesto is received with more than 450 words, the Speaker will cut the manifesto at the 450-word mark.


Notes

TL;DR – Changes:
* No photos of RL people.
* No quotes attributed to RL people.
* No audio or video files.
* Removal of references to taglines made obsolete when the word limit was extended.
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Not too sure about the quotes one, the rest seem fine, makes a change having an amendment that isn't quite all awduy.

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****ing hell... are we really that dissatisfied with the way manifestos are done at the moment...

In any case, last election, it was bloody hilarious seeing the video that was produced
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Also, but how are Labour going to win votes if they don't plaster Mao Quotes and pictures of Corbyn all over their manifesto
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****ing hell... are we really that dissatisfied with the way manifestos are done at the moment...

In any case, last election, it was bloody hilarious seeing the video that was produced
Doing lots of amending before the GE.

I thinks that's part of the reason they were removed :ninja:

But aye!!! Fed up of Nigel Farage use by UKIP.
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Doing lots of amending before the GE.

I thinks that's part of the reason they were removed :ninja:

But aye!!! Fed up of Nigel Farage use by UKIP.
Can be remove you then?
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Also, but how are Labour going to win votes if they don't plaster Mao Quotes and pictures of Corbyn all over their manifesto
Haha, they can just put a pic of a shabby suit and they're sorted...

Speaking of shabby suits, googling 'shabby suits' actually comes up with a picture of Corbyn...
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Doing lots of amending before the GE.

I thinks that's part of the reason they were removed :ninja:

But aye!!! Fed up of Nigel Farage use by UKIP.
Haha, I am kind of sorry that it was so bad, because you obviously put effort in... but perhaps a good reason to remove them, you're right!
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No, manifestos should be able to contain anything the party wants them to contain while keeping to the limit.
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No, manifestos should be able to contain anything the party wants them to contain while keeping to the limit.
Pictures and quotes from IRL politicians are misleading as it suggests an association that doesn't exist.
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Jesus, dat number of seconders.

Aye, it's reasonable enough I guess.
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Pictures and quotes from IRL politicians are misleading as it suggests an association that doesn't exist.
I disagree, this amendment is an attempt to ruin UKIP's tradition of overdoing photos of a person, using references in wording, and saving the manifesto as two image files.
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I disagree, this amendment is an attempt to ruin UKIP's tradition of overdoing photos of a person, using references in wording, and saving the manifesto as two image files.
You won't be stopped from saving manifestos as images... And this affects all parties.

If you got that certain person to publicly endorse you on national tv it might be different but you cannot disagree that you are claiming an association which doesn't exist.
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Jesus, dat number of seconders.

Aye, it's reasonable enough I guess.
No it is not reasonable, the Liberals, UKIP, and Labour would all have had their manifestos banned at the last election when all were respectable platforms. Aph It is not about claiming an endorsement, nor an association, but a link in beliefs, goals, and policies the real life party has. The amendment is out of place because parties will still use the same name as their real life party, causing people to make the link, the images, or the slogans are a small part of the link; the amendment is mostly an anti-UKIP one as you have admitted.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
No it is not reasonable, the Liberals, UKIP, and Labour would all have had their manifestos banned at the last election when all were respectable platforms. Aph It is not about claiming an endorsement, nor an association, but a link in beliefs, goals, and policies the real life party has. The amendment is out of place because parties will still use the same name as their real life party, causing people to make the link, the images, or the slogans are a small part of the link; the amendment is mostly an anti-UKIP one as you have admitted.
Exactly, this is an amendment that does not single out any single party. I have personally written manifestos with quotes from RL politicians in the past, yet am still backing this.
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Exactly, this is an amendment that does not single out any single party. I have personally written manifestos with quotes from RL politicians in the past, yet am still backing this.
Labour's manifesto would have had a few lines deleted, the Liberal manifesto would have had two small photos replace, but UKIP's manifesto would have had one page deleted, one page half deleted, and the other pages left with big gaps in; one party would have been disproportionately impacted.
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Aye. I would prefer manifestos only had proposed action in them, but this is a good start.
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Labour's manifesto would have had a few lines deleted, the Liberal manifesto would have had two small photos replace, but UKIP's manifesto would have had one page deleted, one page half deleted, and the other pages left with big gaps in; one party would have been disproportionately impacted.
And that party is significantly abusing the spirit of the game at this point.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
Labour's manifesto would have had a few lines deleted, the Liberal manifesto would have had two small photos replace, but UKIP's manifesto would have had one page deleted, one page half deleted, and the other pages left with big gaps in; one party would have been disproportionately impacted.
Well that says a lot about your TSR party's ability to present its own argument, record and policies without needing to resort to ridiculous quantities of images.
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And that party is significantly abusing the spirit of the game at this point.
I disagree, I would only agree to these changes if party logos, party names, and party colours were not used in the manifestos.
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