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If 300,000 people arrive in the UK every year, you won't be able to buy a home! FACT Watch

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    we need to leave ASAP, living conditions will only decline further.
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    I'll just immigrate to another country. Simples.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    that land's not prohibited to be built on. Even if that land was used no way can we build fast enough to accommodate for 300k people per year let alone provide the services required.
    Of course we can build to accommodate that. Even ignoring that one person does not equal a household, we were building considerably more than 300,000 houses a year in the late 60s and most of the 1970s. It's hardly difficult.

    We should be building more homes, and we need less regulation to achieve that. This is true whether our population grows or not. We should be building on greenbelt, and we should be making it more attractive to build on brownfield land - and yes, ultimately penalising those who buy such land with planning permission and then do nothing with it.
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    As globalisation and technology have connected the world beyond geographical considerations over the past couple of decades in particular, this attitude- that the UK can be some sort of paradise outside of the EU and we can all live the American Dream of prospering and keeping our resources for ourselves- just isn't practical.

    Human nature has essentially overcome geography by advancing itself through technology. We have all benefited from that, not least in terms of our economy but also our diets, experiences and obviously fuelling our existence in terms of energy.

    To have an attitude where we reap the rewards of this situation but don't want to expose ourself to the consequences and to neglect a vision to work together for a shared and sustainable future is incredibly short-sighted.

    For this reason, obviously I am voting stay.
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    (Original post by Ethereal World)
    As globalisation and technology have connected the world beyond geographical considerations over the past couple of decades in particular, this attitude that the UK can be some sort of paradise when it leaves the EU and we can all live the American Dream of prospering and keeping our resources for ourselves is just not practical.

    Human nature has essentially overcome geography by advancing itself through technology. We have all benefited from that, not least in terms of our economy but also our diets and experiences.

    To have an attitude where we reap the rewards of this situation but don't want to expose ourself to the consequences and to neglect a vision to work together for a shared and sustainable future is incredibly short-sighted.

    For this reason, obviously I am voting stay.
    diets? we have record levels of obesity.
    absolute nonsense, you hardly made any valid points?!

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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    diets? we have record levels of obesity.
    absolute nonsense, you hardly made any valid points?!

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    It was an example of how we have benefited from globalisation and trade. Tea for example. :drool:

    Oh also, in terms of record levels of obesity- that's essentially your mentality on this situation represented in dietary choices so don't be a hypocrite.
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    Having them here though is good for business
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    If you vote in
    - Less jobs around for the majority of you - FACT
    - Higher house prices and higher rents - FACT
    - Crumbling NHS and crowded schools.
    - More crime - demand for key skills will shoot up, we will have no control over the type of immigration that arrives.
    Evidence, please.
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    (Original post by Bill_Gates)
    No it's drastically gone up over the last few years as our schools crumble and need updating.
    In 1969 in state primary schools there were 28 pupils per teacher. In 2011 there were 21.
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    They should reduce the amount allowed in but they won't which is pretty stupid.

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    People get the government they deserve, if you're stupid enough to think they're all doctors and engineers and that business interests are the same as your personal interests, you deserve to live in a *****y little flat where 60% of your income is going on your little shoebox you dropped 400k on for the 99 year lease, but didn't read the small print and realised you're also getting charged ground rent and utilities.


    (Original post by _icecream)
    Having them here though is good for business


    Unless you either own a business yourself or you own a fleet of houses you're letting out, why are you willingly destroying your own life, so some other guy can take a profit?


    Brits get massively duped by this 'Keep calm and carry on' BS the government pushes.
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    (Original post by Ladymusiclover)
    I'll just immigrate to another country. Simples.
    This is what I'll do, it was an accident that I was born here, nothing more
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    As we all should know, most immigration is from outside the EU. If you cannot control that to start with why do you think that exiting the EU will change the total number of immigrants?
    The non-EU migration must fulfil criteria and fill a gap in the uk's employment market.

    EU migration requires no benefit to the country whatsoever.

    It is foolish to compare the two.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    We should be building on greenbelt
    Strongly disagree.

    There's plenty of brownfield sites to support a sustainable population.
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    Never w good sign when the first three posts are by the OP.

    The housing crisis is due to a huge lack of imagination among planning and government. Look at South Korea and Dubai to get my drift.
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    (Original post by alexschmalex)
    Whenever I'm on a train I see a bunch of empty land....there's space
    Of course there's space.
    Over 90% of the U.K. is not built on. Of course some of this is mountains and **** but there's plenty of room
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    (Original post by Reue)
    The non-EU migration must fulfil criteria and fill a gap in the uk's employment market.

    EU migration requires no benefit to the country whatsoever.

    It is foolish to compare the two.
    The point you are missing is that the probability is that all of the skills required for the UK labour market exist within the EU. But the EU citizens are unwilling/unable to fulfil those roles. Therefore immigration from outside the EU must be used to top-up this shortfall in skills within the UK labour market.

    The requirements for offering someone from outside the EU a job in the UK are that no EU citizen is able/willing to do the job.

    In simple terms that means that the UK labour market requires these extra 300,000 people each year - for whatever reason - and that requirement is unlikely to change if we leave the EU.

    The end result is that there will still be 300,000 immigrants each year, but that many of these will be incentivised to stay in unsustainable roles because if they leave their employment, or leave the UK, they will likely not be allowed in again.
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    No to EU immigration, yes to skilled labor immigration. If you are coming here to work at McDonalds because your country is suffering that isn't our problem. As for all the already skilled immigrants from the EU who are working on a non visa policy, their work visa transferal process should be as simple and clean as possible. We don't want to discourage the right type of people from coming here, we want to get rid of all the wrong types of immigrants. I'm an ******* I don't care but if you can't make money for this country coming from a poorer region of Europe then you don't deserve the right to live here, it's a give and take thing.

    We present you with more opportunities if you can take them.
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    (Original post by typonaut)
    The point you are missing is that the probability is that all of the skills required for the UK labour market exist within the EU. But the EU citizens are unwilling/unable to fulfil those roles. Therefore immigration from outside the EU must be used to top-up this shortfall in skills within the UK labour market.

    The requirements for offering someone from outside the EU a job in the UK are that no EU citizen is able/willing to do the job.
    Yup, all fine so far..

    (Original post by typonaut)
    In simple terms that means that the UK labour market requires these extra 300,000 people each year
    What? No. It means that we require the non-EU migrants. How many of the EU Migrants we require is different and almost certainly not the full amount arriving.

    (Original post by typonaut)
    The end result is that there will still be 300,000 immigrants each year, but that many of these will be incentivised to stay in unsustainable roles because if they leave their employment, or leave the UK, they will likely not be allowed in again.
    That's not the case in other countries so why would it be here? My brother migrated to New Zealand as a kitchen fitter. He's now retraining as an electrician. He has left and returned to the country multiple times.
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    If we build more houses the prices go down. The builders don't want that, The landlord generation don't want that and neither does the government as homeowners will get upset.

    Best way to keep ppl happy and prop up the broken economy is by setting building targets and intentionally missing all of them as we are doing now by hampering building with rediculous beurocracy.

    The artificial scarcity of houses will keep prices high and we can pretend we are trying to sort out the housing problem for future gens.
 
 
 
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