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    This is a question aimed primarily at English, Welsh and Irish voters but if you any input feel free to share.

    Recent polls indicate that up to 60% of the Scottish electorate would support a vote to leave the UK if Scotland was to be taken out of the EU against the will of its people.

    What do you think a sovereign UK look like without Scotland?
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    I'm Scottish but live in England.

    I will be voting to stay in the EU, but it has nothing to do with my support for Scotland staying in the UK. Frankly the argument that Scotland would somehow leave the UK if we voted out of Europe has more holes than a Swiss cheese. I find it fairly incredible that serious people are actually repeating it - and in doing so, simply playing into the SNP's ridiculous narrative while claiming to support the unity of the United Kingdom.

    This is a national referendum and every single British person has one, entirely equal vote. Vote based on what you believe, not some ****-and-bull story about it breaking up the UK. The Scottish nationalists will do or say absolutely anything to draw attention to their entirely rejected case for separation - it makes very little difference whether their so-called grievances are real or invented. The best thing to do is simply ignore them and get on with life.
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    My Scottish girlfriend was a definite No vote in the Scottish referendum. She'll vote to remain in the EU. If the UK leaves the EU she will vote for independence next time.

    Just one example, but the notion is clearly not ridiculous...

    For the record, she's a graduate in Politics working for a London-based company.
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    If I was eligible to vote, the implication of another Scottish independence referendum is the only thing that would make me reconsider. And if the UK leaves, it will happen, especially since SNP is desperate for any excuse to call another referendum.

    I'd probably still vote to leave though. I think Scotland will eventually become independent anyway, it is only a matter of time now with the rise of SNP and further devolution of powers to Scotland.
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    >Implying we want that socialist hole to remain part of our glorious nation

    Nooo thankyou
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    My Scottish girlfriend was a definite No vote in the Scottish referendum. She'll vote to remain in the EU. If the UK leaves the EU she will vote for independence next time.

    Just one example, but the notion is clearly not ridiculous...

    For the record, she's a graduate in Politics working for a London-based company.
    Feel free to ask her how that will help Scotland, given that we'd be negotiating entry from outside the EU, would lose any share of the rebate, have no grounds to seek an exemption to joining the Euro and potentially have years to wait before being let in. It's not exactly an attractive prospect.

    I support the EU, but it's clearly ridiculous to leave one economic union we trade five times as much with - the UK - to join another, more distant one. Would we be able to share a currency? No chance. Would the old story about border guards at Gretna become a reality? It'd have to.

    Scottish independence would be shooting ourselves in the foot. Scottish independence where we sacrifice close economic and social ties to the rest of the UK for looser ones with Europe is pretty much aiming a rocket launcher at our collective heads.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Feel free to ask her...
    Erm. Thanks?

    ...how that will help Scotland, given that we'd be negotiating entry from outside the EU, would lose any share of the rebate, have no grounds to seek an exemption to joining the Euro and potentially have years to wait before being let in. It's not exactly an attractive prospect.

    I support the EU, but it's clearly ridiculous to leave one economic union we trade five times as much with - the UK - to join another, more distant one. Would we be able to share a currency? No chance. Would the old story about border guards at Gretna become a reality? It'd have to.

    Scottish independence would be shooting ourselves in the foot. Scottish independence where we sacrifice close economic and social ties to the rest of the UK for looser ones with Europe is pretty much aiming a rocket launcher at our collective heads.
    My post was not there to make the case for Scottish independence. She would disagree with your reasoning and the significance of your argument, but that isn't what I'm looking to discuss.

    My point was that there are people in Scotland who will vote independence if the UK leaves the EU. So whatever you think of their logic, the basis of OP's question is sound.
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Erm. Thanks?

    My post was not there to make the case for Scottish independence. She would disagree with your reasoning and the significance of your argument, but that isn't what I'm looking to discuss.

    My point was that there are people in Scotland who will vote independence if the UK leaves the EU. So whatever you think of their logic, the basis of OP's question is sound.
    Yeah, equally I'm sure you could find a small subsample of pro-Yes voters who might say they would be more likely to vote to stay in the UK if it left the EU.

    My problem isn't so much with the peculiarities of people's approach to democracy, that's easy enough to address through rational argument. While there will always be a rump of people who vote oddly based on circumstances, once a proper debate is held most are usually swayed. We did not, for example, see a huge run to supporting independence when a Conservative majority government was elected in 2015 - despite several polls showing a good share of people who said that would make them more likely to back breaking up the UK.

    My real problem is that the whole story of this is simply playing along an SNP narrative that they have quite clearly crafted to give themselves some relevance in this debate and to keep the dim flame of hope alive in their fundamentalist camp. It's not some sort of groundswell public view, it's trotting out lines from the SNP's talking points.

    For my part, I believe the future is fairly unpredictable in terms of nationalism. It's quite clear however that a UK outside the EU does kill off a considerable number of the SNP's arguments for independence. I think to suggest any particular outcome would be certain to provide a net gain to either side is hugely problematic.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Yeah, equally I'm sure you could find a small subsample of pro-Yes voters who might say they would be more likely to vote to stay in the UK if it left the EU.

    My problem isn't so much with the peculiarities of people's approach to democracy, that's easy enough to address through rational argument. While there will always be a rump of people who vote oddly based on circumstances, once a proper debate is held most are usually swayed. We did not, for example, see a huge run to supporting independence when a Conservative majority government was elected in 2015 - despite several polls showing a good share of people who said that would make them more likely to back breaking up the UK.

    My real problem is that the whole story of this is simply playing along an SNP narrative that they have quite clearly crafted to give themselves some relevance in this debate and to keep the dim flame of hope alive in their fundamentalist camp. It's not some sort of groundswell public view, it's trotting out lines from the SNP's talking points.

    For my part, I believe the future is fairly unpredictable in terms of nationalism. It's quite clear however that a UK outside the EU does kill off a considerable number of the SNP's arguments for independence. I think to suggest any particular outcome would be certain to provide a net gain to either side is hugely problematic.
    Well, we all have our own opinions, viewpoints and priorities.

    But let's get back to the crux of OP's question - how might the potential for Scottish independence weigh in the mind of EU referendum voters? What might the impact be?
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    I'm not really sure we ever diverged from that crux...
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    It seems to me that Scottish independence is an added bonus for many Brexiters.

    People south of the border shouldn't vote to remain in the EU merely to placate the Scottish nationalists. They'll conjure up another grievance soon enough if the in camp win.

    I think a lot of Scots were generally fairly nonchalant about the whole thing. What's really ignited the issue is Nicola Sturgeon telling the Scots that they are to be more pro-European than their counterparts down south, and that it would be an affront to democracy should they be taken out of the EU against their will.

    Nicola and the SNP will feign support for staying in but in reality they are for a Brexit as it gives them another pop at independence, and they'd be more likely to win it this time.
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    I don't see why Scotland should be afforded another referendum on that matter. There was a vote where the majority of those living in Scotland decided they wanted to stay in the UK. Within that vote is consent to be bound by decisions that are democratically voted for by the people of the UK. If the UK as a whole decides to become independent of the EU you don't get the luxury of saying "no I don't want that I'll go my own way" purely because it doesn't line up with what you want.
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    The Scottish have the right to do what they want but I think leaving the EU is insanity in the first place.
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    (Original post by limetang)
    I don't see why Scotland should be afforded another referendum on that matter. There was a vote where the majority of those living in Scotland decided they wanted to stay in the UK. Within that vote is consent to be bound by decisions that are democratically voted for by the people of the UK. If the UK as a whole decides to become independent of the EU you don't get the luxury of saying "no I don't want that I'll go my own way" purely because it doesn't line up with what you want.
    When do you believe the Scottish should be able to hold another referendum on indepenence?
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    (Original post by Kjaffa the Hutt)
    This is a question aimed primarily at English, Welsh and Irish voters but if you any input feel free to share.

    Recent polls indicate that up to 60% of the Scottish electorate would support a vote to leave the UK if Scotland was to be taken out of the EU against the will of its people.

    What do you think a sovereign UK look like without Scotland?
    One of the many reasons I am voting to leave. Kill two birds with one stone is the saying
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    Scotland joined us as an economic wasteland and it may well do so again if they leave and have a go at National Socialism (SNP), give it a few years and they'll be back.
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    (Original post by otester)
    Scotland joined us as an economic wasteland and it may well do so again if they leave and have a go at National Socialism (SNP), give it a few years and they'll be back.
    Because Scotland is clearly the hotbed of anti-immigrant sentiment in this union...
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    When do you believe the Scottish should be able to hold another referendum on indepenence?
    In a decade at the very least. Why should there be another one so soon? Is the plan for us to continue holding referenda until Scotland becomes independent?
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    (Original post by offhegoes)
    Because Scotland is clearly the hotbed of anti-immigrant sentiment in this union...
    Nazis picked on certain groups but they weren't anti-immigration, towards the end of the war the army was largely made up of immigrants.
 
 
 
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