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    http://atimes.com/2015/09/why-not-le...-the-migrants/

    If the Germans don’t have children, does it matter who inherits their country? Why not their house pets? An alley cat from the streets of Rome inherited 10 million Euros from a wealthy widow named Maria Assunta who died childless in 2011. An Indian couple recently left their house and bank account to a pet monkey. A New York accountant left $1.5 million earlier this year to a Maltese terrier. And a German shepherd named Guenther came into $145 million when his owner, the German Countes Karlotta Liebenstein, passed away fifteen years ago. If childless people leave money to their pets, all the more so should childless peoples bequeath their countries to human refugees, who obviously deserve to have Germany more than the Germans’ domestic animals. German women on average bear just 1.3 children against a replacement rate of 2.1, which means that they will disappear within a foreseeable future horizon.


    I notice a lot of people complaining about immigrants, but they ignore the fact that without them, most Western countries would be experiencing a population collapse, at least in working age and young populations. You can point to increased automation, and the lack of education of some migrants, as evidence that we don't need them - but you ignore economics of scale, which dictate that the larger the demand is, the more efficient it is allocated, and the higher living standards are per capita. Also, undecuated migrants do jobs that uneducated Brits are unwilling to do, and machines are not nearly capable enough for automation to offset the population collapse seen in German speaking countries, Southern and Eastern Europe, Korea, Japan, etc.

    If Germans have given up the will to live, then it is surely a good gesture to hand the flame over to fellow human beings, whatever their race/religion, rather than nothing.
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    This site explains the dire situation Germany faces with its population collapse. They are actual demographers and economists:

    http://demographymatters.blogspot.co.uk/
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    Exactly. Germans are angry at Merkel for letting migrants in, but the reality is without migrants Germany's economy is going to be f***ed
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    Indeed.
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    German bratwurst...
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    (Original post by Johann von Gauss)
    http://atimes.com/2015/09/why-not-le...-the-migrants/





    I notice a lot of people complaining about immigrants, but they ignore the fact that without them, most Western countries would be experiencing a population collapse, at least in working age and young populations. You can point to increased automation, and the lack of education of some migrants, as evidence that we don't need them - but you ignore economics of scale, which dictate that the larger the demand is, the more efficient it is allocated, and the higher living standards are per capita. Also, undecuated migrants do jobs that uneducated Brits are unwilling to do, and machines are not nearly capable enough for automation to offset the population collapse seen in German speaking countries, Southern and Eastern Europe, Korea, Japan, etc.

    If Germans have given up the will to live, then it is surely a good gesture to hand the flame over to fellow human beings, whatever their race/religion, rather than nothing.
    The problem is they did not get to choose that. The migrants have no right to any country.
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    In the near future, it will be China sucking in all the migrants... we're doomed anyway
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    I'm not sure how I feel about leaving a whole country to the migrants...

    But I do agree that the benefits they bring to our economy cannot be ignored. And the way some of us treat and perceive them is terrible, especially when we don't seem to bat an eyelid at all those UK born benefit scroungers who haven't worked a day in their lives.
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    (Original post by Lady Comstock)
    But why an influx of low-skilled, unchecked, economic migrants who have been lucky enough to survive the dangerous crossing into Germany? Surely the sensible thing would be to allow in the people you need to improve your population situation, but to be picky about who these people are and the skills they possess.
    Highly educated people, and those that integrate well into the host country, tend to have low fertility rates, which tend toward the host country's own fertility rate - which is useless for increasing the fertility rate, as they end up becoming a burden themselves.
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    I don't know why Germans and arabs aren't friends.

    A Germans stereotype is being a Nazi, A middle easterners stereotype is being a terrorist. Why can't they just be like, man, screw these generalisations.
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    The problem isn't with immigrants in general. It's how Germany has no control over who enters the country. Hundreds of thousands of these 'refugees' are entering the country and the German government don't know the first thing about them. The vast majority of them don't have any real skills, don't speak German and don't understand western culture - they are only a drain on the economy and damaging to the society.

    Yet there are thousands upon thousands of civilised, educated people, wanting to migrate to Germany or the UK from all around the world. Why not take the best?
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    (Original post by Johann von Gauss)
    Highly educated people, and those that integrate well into the host country, tend to have low fertility rates, which tend toward the host country's own fertility rate - which is useless for increasing the fertility rate, as they end up becoming a burden themselves.
    But, in a world increasingly dominated by high skilled jobs, the low skilled would be a burden anyway, since they'd have nothing to contribute.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    But, in a world increasingly dominated by high skilled jobs, the low skilled would be a burden anyway, since they'd have nothing to contribute.
    Wrong - they'd add to the demographic momentum, slightly nudging up the fertility rates of natives, simply by slightly influencing the societal views on the normal number of children to have. Also, their children would produce a sizeable number of highly skilled workers, which would probably cover the 'cost' of the unproductive lower skilled population.
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    (Original post by Longshot700)
    I don't know why Germans and arabs aren't friends.

    A Germans stereotype is being a Nazi, A middle easterners stereotype is being a terrorist. Why can't they just be like, man, screw these generalisations.
    Your average German is really as far from a Nazi as it is possible to be... they are terrified of their history, which is probably a significant factor in their inability to deal with their low birth rate

    (Original post by york_wbu)
    The problem isn't with immigrants in general. It's how Germany has no control over who enters the country. Hundreds of thousands of 'refugees' are entering the country and the German government don't know the first thing about them. The vast majority of them don't have any real skills, don't speak German and don't understand western culture - they are only a drain on the economy and damaging to the society.

    Yet there are thousands upon thousands of civilised, educated people, wanting to migrate to Germany or the UK from all around the world. Why not take the best?
    What can they actually do though? They have no choice but to let them in
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    Yeah Germany is doing good thanks to the hundreds of thousands of low skilled migrants that have arrived since last year. :rolleyes:

    All the Turks they admitted three generations ago are still at the bottom of society. Low skill immigration is a disaster. Germany will pay the price of their foolishness; some might say they are already paying the price.

    I also don't get why people have so much problem with a declining population. With the declining reserves of raw materials, it is probably the best solution to prepare the future.
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    (Original post by Johann von Gauss)
    Your average German is really as far from a Nazi as it is possible to be... they are terrified of their history, which is probably a significant factor in their inability to deal with their low birth rate
    Don't you mean it's significant factor in why they're letting so many immigrants into their country. They're trying their best not to look racist.

    (Original post by Johann von Gauss)
    What can they actually do though? They have no choice but to let them in
    There are endless ways of reducing the number of refugees going to Germany. Just look at what policies neighbouring countries have put in place. Merkel has just hasn't decided to enact them.

    However, that's not the point of discussion. You were saying that these 'refugees' are good for the German economy.
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    Germany should do what the Russian government is doing and provide incentives for people to procreate. That seems like a far more sustainable and cohesive solution than just flooding your country with random foreigners who have no connection whatsoever to the land, it's history and culture. The latter will only lead to tremendous problems in the long term, problems we are now beginning to see in many European countries.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    I also don't get why people have so much problem with a declining population. With the declining reserves of raw materials, it is probably the best solution to prepare the future.
    -The elderly population is still increasing, which is a huge drain on the working population. With a decreasing working population, the ratio of working people to elderly increases quite rapidly, so the load per person increases.
    -Very low fertility rates seem to be permanent - no country that has reached 1.5 children per woman for a significant period of time has ever recovered - they all have fertility rates below 1.5 now. Obviously, if it is permanent, it will lead to extinction.
    -The rate of scientific progress depends significantly on the working population - and it is scientific advances that we depend on to find a solution to climate change, to find new reserves of materials, and use our current reserves more efficiently, to produce new types of food to feed the explosive growth in population in Africa, and to find cures to their diseases, etc.
    -Economics of scale. Germany, for example, had to spend a lot of money adjusting its sewers because of the reduced use. Bus services etc. in rural areas stop running so frequently, because of lack of demand. Etc.

    I'd recommend you look at the demographicsmatters blog if you want more reasons - it has lots of fancy graphs
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    This new country of doctors and engineers will no doubt become the most advanced in the world in no time.

    Now back to reality, this country - which would be 80%+ blokes by the way - would quickly become just as much of a backwards crap hole as the countries they left behind. Then the whole population would flee to Sweden or somewhere since most of them aren't even escaping war in the first place.
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    (Original post by Johann von Gauss)
    -The elderly population is still increasing, which is a huge drain on the working population. With a decreasing working population, the ratio of working people to elderly increases quite rapidly, so the load per person increases.
    -Very low fertility rates seem to be permanent - no country that has reached 1.5 children per woman for a significant period of time has ever recovered - they all have fertility rates below 1.5 now. Obviously, if it is permanent, it will lead to extinction.
    -The rate of scientific progress depends significantly on the working population - and it is scientific advances that we depend on to find a solution to climate change, to find new reserves of materials, and use our current reserves more efficiently, to produce new types of food to feed the explosive growth in population in Africa, and to find cures to their diseases, etc.
    -Economics of scale. Germany, for example, had to spend a lot of money adjusting its sewers because of the reduced use. Bus services etc. in rural areas stop running so frequently, because of lack of demand. Etc.

    I'd recommend you look at the demographicsmatters blog if you want more reasons - it has lots of fancy graphs
    Germany is the only major economy with a budget surplus. They have a huge trade surplus. Unemployment is almost non existent (except in ex-RDA); the youth unemployment is one of the lowest in the West. They fund their pensions with a significant margin. Universities are completely free. Housing and rents represent a third of British prices.

    It seems they are doing very fine with an ageing population.

    To everybody saying "look at Germany! they are committing suicide with their low birthrate!", I answer: "look at their economic results".
 
 
 
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