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    http://tieba.baidu.com/f/good?kw=%E6...8&cid=0&pn=550
    http://tieba.baidu.com/f/good?kw=%E6...f-8&cid=0&pn=0

    So basically, a tiger has been:

    Dominated over 10 times by himalayin black bears in the wild, over 20 times by american black and brown bears, Killed just about 50 times by wild dogs, killed three times by ordinary dogs has over a hundred cases where his neck area has been penetrated by leopards and tigresses, and his main area of succumbing to a fight, is more suspected to flea from a confrontation, is suppose to be able to take on the apex animal via lion who just has his entire world revolving around fighting?

    I just dont see it, perhaps a tiger supporter could enlighten the advantages tigers have over lions specifically in fighting that would bypass the lions advantages or exceed it.
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    Heres what terrell jacobs said in an interview:

    He thereupon presented Mr. Terrell Jacobs, the gent who mixes lions and tigers in the same act and somehow manages to keep them from clawing each other to pieces. "The lion is the king of beasts," said Mr. Jacobs as soon as the subject was mentioned, "and that is not just a nice line that was thought up by the Chamber of Commerce. He really is the boss. "I'll concede that a full grown tiger can defeat a lioness or even a young lion. But put a full grown lion against a full grown tiger, and you are likely to have only the lion left when the fur stops flying. "And that is not hard to understand. All cat animals fight by biting at the throat, and clawing at the underparts of the body.

    The male lion has a thick mane, which protects his throat, so he needn't worry about that. All he has to do is work on the tiger, which is not protected by a mane. And he usually does. I think the king of beasts would win a fight between the lion and the tiger, but mind you, I am not taking sides. Tigers are nable animals, too." "But what about a lion and a grizzly bear?" Mr. Jacobs was asked. He confessed he didn't know. He had never heard of such a meeting. But he believed that if one ever took place, the lion would win. "In addition to his teeth," said Mr. Jacobs, "the lion has 18 claws which are dangerous weapons. On each front paw he has a thumb, two scissors and two rippers. On each back paw he has four ripping claws. For protection he has his mane and his own strength. "A grizzly bear slaps, and then grabs hold of his opponent, and squeezes him, I believe," he expanded. "While he was squeezing the lion, the lion would be biting him in the throat, and ripping him in the body with his claws. I think the lion would win such a battle."

    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/98054180/
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    And this shows Terrell worked 3,500 lions and 1,500 tigers:https://books.google.com/books?id=dA...0tiger&f=false
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    (Original post by L1U1x1o)
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    Terrell jacobs


    Lions fresh from the jungle are preferred since native- born animals, used to the fawning of crowds, are easily distracted and lack the single-mindedness of wild beasts. First, the cats are taught to walk down the ramp, with a collar and chain being applied to animals in cases where they, are slow to respond.
    http://cambridge.dlconsulting.com/cg...l+jacobs-----#

    So Terrell jacobs worked with over 2,000 lions and tigers, preferred wild instead of captive raised, seen many fights with the lion usually winning and favors the lion against a tiger and a grizzly bear.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9B659pnC0

    BEATTY does not know that lions and tigers hate each other. "I have had many lion-tiger battles in my arena, but they have always been gang fights. Nellie, one of the fiercest tigers I ever worked with, was killed a few years ago in a fight in which eight lions faced two tigers. On another occasion there was a pitched battle between seventeen lions and twelve tigers. Three tigers were killed in this fight and some of the lions badly mauled." (And in the mid- dle was Beatty!)
    https://archive.org/stream/movieclas...4moti_djvu.txt

    So as you can see the poster shows a lion defeating a tiger, the film shows the lion defeating the tiger, and Beatty yells out Nellie... Clyde beatty said the tigress Nellie was killed in a gang fight, according to the film, tommy was fighting gracie and Sammy was fighting Nellie, via a gang fight, hence this shows that in these gang fights that the numbers were even in the combatants.
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    yes my man man back on it !!
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    (Original post by Proxenus)
    yes my man man back on it !!
    Keep it real.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNK78cl2wto
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    Poor tiger, not even the very people who fancy him is willing to lay down a single argument backing him up.

    @banterboy,
    @Boss_Rhythm,
    @chocoholic_x,
    @College_Dropout,
    @darkvibes,
    @,FaisalNaeem03,
    @fandom-queen,
    @Federerr,
    @hezzlington,
    @Mactotaur,
    @maria.x,
    @RezzBerry,
    @Sasha2208,
    @Snake_God,
    @uhabib,
    @Wee.Guy

    I guess the new age science will have to go back to the era where because the majority agrees that the world is flat, is more important than science actually showing the world is round.

    lol
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    Oh wow... Is there a TLDR?
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ite9n38wvG4
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    https://youtu.be/uKTP1NnZjYk
    The comments are pretty funny, apparently Siberian tigers are twice as big as lions, which would mean.

    2x bigger in:

    Lions height 4 feet...siberian tigers would be 8 feet at the shoulders
    Lion standing 8 feet tall on hind legs...siberian tigers would stand 16 feet tall
    Lions length, 9 feet long...siberian tigers would be 18 feet long
    Lions fangs 3 inchs long...siberian tigers would have 6 inch fangs
    Lions average weight 400 lbs...siberian tigers would average 800 lbs
    Lions max weights 1,000 lbs...siberian tigers would max out at 2,000 lbs

    These kind of things are all laughable when science brings them together to be studied.
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    I don't know who would win. They r both beautiful n incredible animals that seem to pull off impossible feats but most of these posts seem to favor the Lion almost to the point of exaggeration. In cases where they overlapped in India it is fair to say the Lion has the obvious advantage due to the pride he lives in but one-on-one either could win depending on circumstance, the size, weight n fitness of the animals. Here are just a few thing's to consider however. Though rare, lone Tigers have been known to charge n leap at Elephants n in one eye witness account even kill a full grown Indian Rhino. Although not as big as their African 'cousins' this is still impressive. From a book about the Amur Tiger, I've put speech marks on all the book excerpts. ''A Tiger with a Pyatka (forepaw) of 6 inches was found. It could only be that of a male n would have weighed in the neighbourhood of between 500 to 700 lbs- bigger than any wild Lion. In a Seattle museum, the displayed Amur Tiger is almost as big as the Polar Bear. Some Ussuri biologists claim species caught in the past were up to 900 lbs but obviously these can't be verified.'' If they are such similar animals then the weight advantage would favor the Tiger, not to mention the Tiger is more agile, has more stamina ( A Lions heart is very small hence why they tire fairly quickly) n the Tiger has the added advantage of being able to rear up on it's hind legs n swat with both paws at the same time. '' Amur Tigers have paws which have 4 inch long claws( Same as the Velociraptor) one swipe of which can break a Gaur's skull or a Bears back. The Tiger can be 10 feet long, nose to tail, have a head larger than a man's chest including his arms, 3 1/2 feet at the shoulder n the longest fangs in the cat family capable of cutting thru the heaviest bone.'' The Tiger also hunts n kills 1000 kg Indian Gaur alone( The largest wild cattle on Earth!). From the book again ''In Primorye Tigers attack n eat both fully grown Black n Brown Bears on a fairly regular basis(They make up between 5-8% of the Tiger's diet but they prefer Brown as Black Bears can climb trees to escape). The Russian Brown Bear belongs to the same species as the American Grizzly n can weigh over a 1000 lbs. Their power n ferocity is legendary. In spite of this they have been known to flee at the sign of a tiger. In January 1941 Tiger biologist Lev Kaplanov described ' I encountered the prints of a very large Brown Bear. This animal which had accidently come across a Tiger on the trail n abandoned the path at a gallop'. The Tiger will prosecute the battle to the point of tearing the Bear limb from limb n then scattering the appendages across the battlefield. The discovery n description of such scenes goes a long way toward explaining why the indigenous people refer to the Tiger as the 'Czar' of the forest instead of the larger Brown Bear. The Tiger possesses the brute strength to drag n awkward 1000 lbs carcass thru the forest for 50-100 yards. Has been known to climb trees to swat at helicopters n run headfirst into gunfire''. Hardly cowardly!? Still. Good discussion. So many fascinating posts about Lions killing Crocodiles. I couldn't access the lone male Lion hunting the Giraffe but that is amazing, unheard of even. I have seen quite a few videos of both n after seeing what they are both capable off it's impossible to pick a guaranteed winner. Both great animals though n let's hope we learn to co-exist with these amazing creatures before they disappear.
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    http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/to...s#.V1Hb1vkrLIU

    1.) Elephants and rhinos both beat lions and tigers 1 on 1 in fair fights. Hunting them means little under altered circumstances of a fair fight.

    2.) A brown or Himalayan bear or guar would beat a tiger 9/10

    3.) A tigers paw swipe has never genuinely been documented even less than 10 times breaking anythings back/neck/skull, only few exist which makes its suspicion copy cating lions feats.

    4.) Tigers get dominated by wild dogs, leopards and bears. Hardly any type of monarchy.

    5.) People worships rats, insects and many living things, sadly tigers on the podium in historical heraldry falls way down the line compared to lions.

    Exaggerations fall in the line of no empirical evidence, tangible proof or atleast basic scientific cites, exaggeration is what you just did, claiming that they worship tigers over bears (no proof of this can be quantified without over a 1,000 to one records) tigers charging things such as elephants or vehicles are no different than a rat does to a elephant, or a insect does to human, or a kitten does to a dog, tigers hearts are not bigger than lions:
    http://animaluntamed.yuku.com/topic/...and-lung-sizes

    Quantifying individualistically, a animal cant be deemed cowardly, but in comparison to another it can. The tiger is universally known cowardly in the light of the lion, he is less apt to be aggressive and is afraid of the lion itself.
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    u should put this thread in as your dissertation
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    Nevada State Journal from Reno, Nevada · Page 4


    Viewing Africa’s ‘Big Seven’ at the Mashatu Game Reserve - the African elephant (largest Mammal), the lion (biggest cat), giraffe (tallest), the baobab tree, the eland (largest antelope), the ostrich (largest bird), and the kori bustard (heaviest flying bird)
    http://www.wildanimalencounters.com.au/wp-content/uploads/Ben Britton - Big Cat Conservation.pdf


    Despite being smaller overall than a tiger, the lion is in fact taller
    http://natureboundafrica.com/15-lion-facts/




    The lion is taller than the tiger.
    http://koreananimals.org/LELA/wp-con...sion-Lions.pdf




    The Montreal Gazette - Google News Archive Search

    "Male lions kill each other by grabbing the neck," Cargill said. "The one with the most mane or cushion is safe." In the wild, the male lion's job is to protect the females of his pride. He goes to the highest place possible to keep watch. At the Great Bend Zoo, the berm was built for Boy. Big Girl and Little Girl sit, romp for a while, then spring, wanting to pounce on a catch — perhaps a wildebeest — just as their sisters hunt in Africa.
    The Salina Journal from Salina, Kansas · Page 14

    White tiger squares up with lion, tiger backs down, lion remains close to cage wall:
    隔笼狮虎打架—在线播
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