Would you give Labour a chance in 2020?

I've thought about it and i think Labour is a better choice over the Tories. Here are my reasons.

1. Both Tories and Labour believe in Keynesian Economics.

The difference is the Tories want to expand the money supply by storing it in first time buyer homes as equity against debt. Labour on the other hand want to expand the money supply by building social housing which will reduce the need for a high housing benefit.

The fiscal methods are pretty much the same but Labours plan benefits the tax payer and the working classes rather than benefiting the needs of the few.

2. Labour want to abandon the economic model of the Tories which evolves around high private debt, low wages and cookie cutter services. Instead Labour wants to focus on becoming the Green-manufacturing center of the world and encourage a high tech manufacturing boom.

I am on board with this. There are a lot of products which can be built if we invest in renewable energy technology. It means changing the way Universities and Colleges do things but with the combination of automation and high-tech hands on jobs we could become the next Germany.

3. Its worth reminding the Tories that Labour achieved the lowest unemployment rate at 4.8% in the last 30 years. The Tories are struggling to achieve this even when they've tweaked the Job Center figures.

The 4.8% figure was achieved in 2004 3 years after the recession of 2001 and a couple years after Tax Credits where introduced.

When you look at the unemployment statistics from 1980 on wards your see Labour are the best choice the working class have in terms of getting a job and having a income.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Look for yourselves.

Corbyn is not an extremist. He's a centre-left politician

Well Cameron is a terrorist sympathiser so...

Hahahah, funniest thing i've read, center-left lol.

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Not a terrorist sympathizer but certainly an islamic extremism sympathizer given his close ties with saudi arabia and the fact he boasts about all the weapons we give them.

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That may be the silliest thing you've ever said.

We sell to Saudi because they are rich and for the moment important and because if we don't, somebody else will. What they use those weapons for is immaterial as things stand.

Komrade Korbyn in 2020 ? with Putin in power in Russia ... pull the other one

No. Corbyn is an extremist and they deserve to lose for making him leader.

Are you talking about the same corbyn who despises everything Putin is doing, and wants to dramatically expand our military?

You must be confused. Are you having a senior moment?

We sell to Saudi because they are rich and for the moment important and because if we don't, somebody else will. What they use those weapons for is immaterial as things stand.

What on earth makes you think he wants to expand the military. He won't even commit to the current 2% and that's woefully low.

Are you talking about the same corbyn who despises everything Putin is doing, and wants to dramatically expand our military?

You must be confused. Are you having a senior moment?

Maybe i'm too much of a leftie, but I strongly disagree.

1: On the money side, I think there's a part where ethics plays a role in international affairs. Maybe in Machiavelli's day such things could be reasonably be justified but in the globalized post 9/11 world of today actions like that have far reaching consequences.

As for the role of selling stuff- should we really base those decisions on the fact if we don't supply say, torture instruments to Saudi then North Korea will instead? Where do we draw the line? If ISIS becomes an established power should we sell guns and tanks to them?

2: Propping up these types of regimes will only breed greater resentment of the west in the future. As you know, I don't believe western policy is the main reason why groups like ISIS exist, but i think this sort of thing can lead to long term grievances.