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These three are interchangeable. The only difference is we are quite happy to sell weapons to SA and Iran.

What would ISIS look like if they ran a country? We don't need to speculate we already know.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6900056.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-official-says

If only the left would protest as nearly as hard against these countries as they did Israel (some do like Peter Tatchell and look what happened to him).
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So the fact a Conservative government sells weapons to these countries is the fault of the left?
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So the fact a Conservative government sells weapons to these countries is the fault of the left?
Everything is the fault of the left. :cool:
The rest is the fault of the right..
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So the fact a Conservative government sells weapons to these countries is the fault of the left?
haha, apologies if I gave that impression. successive governments have been complicit in enabling these regimes. My only point was that barley a week goes by without some protest against Israel eg BDS movement.
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These three are interchangeable. The only difference is we are quite happy to sell weapons to SA and Iran.

What would ISIS look like if they ran a country? We don't need to speculate we already know.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6900056.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-official-says

If only the left would protest as nearly as hard against these countries as they did Israel (some do like Peter Tatchell and look what happened to him).
Does Saudi Arabia and Iran send its militants to foreign countries to kill foreign civilians? I'm not sure.
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Does Saudi Arabia and Iran send its militants to foreign countries to kill foreign civilians? I'm not sure.
google Yemen
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I hope people like Sam Harris realises this... he is too scared to Islamism taking over the world that it dominates his voting strategy - he recently said that Hillary Clinton is much better than Bernie Sanders because she is "much better" on foreign and Islamism... yet she decided to sign off $24 billion worth of weapons to a Terror State that funds so many of Islamist groups around the world....

But you're right, the left needs to considering boycotting stuff coming out Saudi Arabia as well - otherwise they are just bigoted. Muslims need to boycott hajj and other Saudi Arabia related things if they are to be taken seriously about boycotting Israel. Otherwise, I think they are hypocrites and "all talk- no action"
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Does Saudi Arabia and Iran send its militants to foreign countries to kill foreign civilians? I'm not sure.
Not so much Iran as of late... but Saudi Arabia is targeting civilians, hospitals, factories with cluster bombs.
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google Yemen
They are fighting off Houthi terrorists in Yemen, try again.
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google Yemen
Is there anything wrong with namedropping specific incidents in which the Iranian or Saudi Arabian governments specifically sent terrorists to western countries to kill people?


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Not so much Iran as of late... but Saudi Arabia is targeting civilians, hospitals, factories with cluster bombs.
Foreign being the key term here
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They are all the same to me. The quicker we step away from the region and let it rot, the quicker we can get on with things. If only we could build a large wall around the place
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They're interchangeable in the same way as Protestantism, Catholicism, and Orthodox.

Or maybe National Socialism, Soviet Socialism, and Social Democracy.

Very much an outsider's perspective.
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Foreign being the key term here
I forgot Yemen is totally not a different country to Saudi Arabia...
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They are all the same to me. The quicker we step away from the region and let it rot, the quicker we can get on with things. If only we could build a large wall around the place
I hear a guy called Trump is thinking about building walls and stuff...?

Make Middle East great again!
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These three are interchangeable. The only difference is we are quite happy to sell weapons to SA and Iran.
Erm, are you ******ed?


When was the last time we sold weapons to Iran?


They have been under sanctions for decades, so no Western country has sold them weapons for decades.


Saudi Arabia, however, are the largest importer of British weapons, which they have been using to commit war crimes in Yemen.


Moreover, The Islamic State's sect of Islam is far closer to Saudi's Wahhabism than Iran's Shiism (in fact, the two are diametrically opposed), hence one of the biggest fighting forces against the Islamic State on the ground in Iraq/Syria are Shia groups backed by Iran.


The Islamic State regard all Shias as kafir and have carried out mass-executions of Shias, so for you to equate Iran to the Islamic State is quite ridiculous.


Equating Saudi Arabia to the Islamic State, however, would have more merit, as they have contributed to the growth of extremism and are widely-reported to having financed Islamist rebel factions that have then joined the IS.


What an uneducated cretin you are.
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google Yemen
Calm down noam chomsky, lets make some tea, roll a spirulina cigarette and take down the che Guevara poster for a few minutes.
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The thing about Iran though is that they have a huge young population that are increasingly becoming tired of the authoritarian BS done by the old, out-of-touch Mullahs...
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Calm down noam chomsky, lets make some tea, roll a spirulina cigarette and take down the che Guevara poster for a few minutes.
Much rather have Noam Chomsky than **** Cheney tbh
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Is there anything wrong with namedropping specific incidents in which the Iranian or Saudi Arabian governments specifically sent terrorists to western countries to kill people?
Because sending them to non-Western countries is merely frowned upon, rather than deplored?
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The thing about Iran though is that they have a huge young population that are increasingly becoming tired of the authoritarian BS done by the old, out-of-touch Mullahs...
Funnily enough, Iran held elections for two important constitutional bodies yesterday (Parliament and the Council of Experts - the latter being the body that chooses the next SL), the results are not fully out yet, but just google 'Iran elections' and you will see who the people have voted for. You may be surprised.


(This despite the system being rigged heavily against reformists/moderates - e.g. 90%+ of reformist candidates being barred from stand for election, the reformist leaders being under house-arrest, widespread fraud, etc.)
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