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    (Original post by Truths)
    I hear this a lot but i dont quite see where yall are getting this from. May i have some examples?
    do you not see that a lot of people advocate for racial or gender quotas? or if a company doesn't have a certain amount of minority groups represented in their ranks, somebody's bound to call them racists, sexists etc because of it, so what's the solution to this criticism? "hire some of 'em because we'll get called racist otherwise!". for example, my university's front page for its website is *always* seeming to be an indian person looking at the camera and smiling. there have been 3 homepages in the time I've been here. each and every time, it's an indian person. my university has relatively few indian people, but they keep putting particularly one ethnic group on our front page. I wonder why that could be? take a guess.
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    no I hate it it is basically a load of nonsense it just reflects a failure to integrate
    this sums up my thoughts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0ssNp-OOE
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    (Original post by sevva888)
    As a third generation immigrant to the UK, I always think that people see the grass as greener abroad. However, they don't see the level of intolerance that occurs abroad. My family has lived through the years in the UK when we were not so multicultural as a country and racist attacks were commonplace. People attack multiculturalism, but I personally think it has made the UK a much better place on a purely personal level.

    Interested to read your views on this.
    Am I glad that WE value it? Do you presume to speak for the entire country?
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    I don't like immigrants that don't abandon most of their culture when they settle in a new country.
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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    Multiculturalism is fundamentally flawed in that it assumes all cultures are equal, they are not. If you come from a culture where woman are treated like dirt, homosexuality is a capital offence and freedom of speech is subservient to religious sensibilities then you shouldn't be importing your culture here.

    The UK's tolerance in allowing this should not be celebrated, it should be reviled. Hundreds of girls were sexually abused in Rotherham, and the authorities allowed it to happen because they were afraid of offending the Pakistani community and being seen as racist. That is disgusting.

    Multiculturalism should only be tolerated in so far as the culture is compliant with the views and norms of British society. It should not be used to justify or rationalise domestic violence, fgm, paedohilia etc.

    The UK is indeed one of the least racist countries you will find, but that should not be conflated with multiculturalism.
    Definitely this, lots of people are fed up with the status quo


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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    do you not see that a lot of people advocate for racial or gender quotas?
    I don't see how gender quotas has anything to do with multiculturalism. The fact that there are gender quotas as well as a race quotas tells me that CEOs are diligent in combatting job discrimination. Which unfortunately does exist.

    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    for example, my university's front page for its website is *always* seeming to be an indian person looking at the camera and smiling. there have been 3 homepages in the time I've been here. each and every time, it's an indian person. my university has relatively few indian people, but they keep putting particularly one ethnic group on our front page. I wonder why that could be? take a guess.
    Maybe he's handsome? Maybe they want to encourage diverse applications?
    Why does it bother you that there are POC on your university front page?
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    (Original post by BrianMcEgg)
    Well we should have some immigration but now it's gone too far, polish people themselves are apparently surprised at the lack of white British people in BRITIAN. The government and population in general should grow some balls and stand up for the white British ethnicity because in a few centuries time, I reckon this ethnicity will become extinct
    That is an absurd statement, How do you know a whole nationality living in Britain. A whole nationality. Have a consensus without any dissenters? It's impossible, you have based it on speculation.

    Also your statement about 'growing balls' is stupid once again. Everyone in Britain should be treated with equal status despite their colour. And to about your irrational fear, almost a phobia, so what if they become extinct? People and your families will still exist, Britain shouldn't be a country of one majority race, like all other countries should be, it should be multicultural and look after its populous to the best of its ability.

    People are people.
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    I'm German and a long time lurker on this forum.

    Political correctness was what got many, many people on this forum banned for merely questioning the policy decisions linked to immigration/migration such as the one made by my Chancellor to allow all these migrants into my country
    • without checking if they are holding genuine passports
    • without checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    • without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    • without checking if they have HIV/AIDS
    you may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

    Merkel has been in hiding for many days now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

    She studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Yesterday she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

    Your beloved BBC will never report such things and many other similar things because it is part of 'The State'.

    The problem in UK is that if your great-grandfather was a Tory, chances are your grandfather and your father was a Tory too. That was fine because politicians of the past truly cared for the citizens. After Thatcher was betrayed by her own party members, the next batch of politicians onwards till today have always been about lining up their own pockets and filling up their boots.

    First of all, you have a weak British government led by a Prime Minister who is clueless. He claims that he will get a good deal for UK insofar as her membership of the EU goes but at the same time, he knows that the best deal is to be able to control your own borders and decide who can come and live in the UK, subject to
    1) checking if they are holding genuine passports
    2) checking if they have links to terrorist groups
    3) checking if they have criminal records in their home countries
    4) checking if they have the necessary educational qualifications or skill set
    5) checking if they have HIV/AIDS

    Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time.

    You then have a Cabinet that is staffed with people who are equally clueless. How Theresa May, a geography graduate became the Home Secretary is beyond ridiculous. She has committed so many blunders over the years but the notable ones have to be her threats to the judiciary on the issue of judicial review applications
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21489072
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...judiciary.html

    And some here have said that she aspires to be the next PM of UK? I am sorry. She is no Margaret Thatcher. Dream on.

    You then have many ministers who have been embroiled in the expenses scandal and continue to have their family members as their staff, on huge salary scales.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news.../mps-expenses/
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/mps-expenses
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-26911952
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-revealed.html
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-employed.html

    You also then have Prime Minister's Question Time where it is a constant ruckus. The rationale behind the televised coverage is to update the citizens on whats been happening or for them to see their MPs actually stand up and voice out the constituents problems. But it's turned into a very bad weekly comedy show.
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-party-leaders

    If that is not enough, you have a police commissioner who seems to only come out with a standard response every time something goes wrong. After awhile, all is forgotten and everything is back to square one. Btw, have you checked out his new ride?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-cuts-row.html

    You then have multiple police forces all over UK which are led by Police and Crime Commissioners who are party partisan. Their elections have proved that it was a waste of your taxpayers money to finance it and that the voting turnout was horrendously low.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-22624096
    http://www.theguardian.com/public-le...nds-byelection
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-20374139

    Also, some of these Police and Crime Commissioners have paid and are continuing to pay huge salaries to their family members and friends on their staff and paying for other unnecessary things. On the topic of Police and Crime Commissioners, my favourite has to be Ann Barnes, the PCC of Kent. Words cannot describe her incompetence. You'll just have to watch this for yourself.



    I've found a working link of the entire comedy. You can watch it here.
    http://vodlocker.com/zi3x8owg9n7j.html

    And all this wastage of money while reducing the number of police officers and cutting their salaries!?!?

    This, coupled with open borders make UK a very unsafe place. Why, you may ask? How are you able to detect the bad guys when you allow practically anyone to enter into your country and at the same time, expect the police to do their job when front-line staff are being stretched due to cuts in their numbers?

    Shouldn't the logical thing to do be to take control of your borders, stop giving away billions yearly to EU and millions in foreign aid to India (who btw have a very solid space shuttle and nuclear programme) and instead channel that money to paying higher wages to your doctors, nurses,police etc and employing more of them?
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...dia-279million
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34398449

    Also, why are you allowing tens of thousands of unskilled, uneducated people from Pakistan, Bangladesh and a few other countries to relocate to UK, live off benefits, create enclaves, do not want to integrate with other communities and then top it all off by giving them citizenships soon after?

    Why do this when your immigration policy, at the very same time, inadvertently dictates that you discriminate against a doctor from New Zealand, a lawyer from Canada etc? I could go on but I think I've made my point and that is this. To borrow a famous Chinese saying, If the upper beam is not straight, the lower beam will be crooked.

    In order for UK to return to its former status, you must
    • have an intelligent PM (someone like Margaret Thatcher) and assisted by capable Cabinet Ministers.
    • leave the EU, reclaim control of your borders and decide independently who can work and live in the UK
    • channel money into your front line forces such as the police, doctors, nurses and teachers
    • with tightened and controlled borders, the police should comb each city, check people if they have valid papers or deport them immediately if they don't. Suspicious people with link to terror groups must be detained, investigated, charged and then imprisoned indefinitely
    • be brave to launch police investigations into terror groups, regardless if they operate in the churches, temples, mosques or at the playgrounds. Hiding behind political correctness is a cowardly thing to do.
    • repair the reputation of the police force so that men in blue will regain the trust of the citizens
    If these steps are followed, UK will not only a safe country but also a great country once again.
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    Yeah. I believe all human beings have the right to be treated with common respect and common decency, regardless of their culture, ethnicity, religion and most other aspects of their background.

    I also believe that there are multiple perspectives in this world, and that you won't see things properly until you've learned to see things through the eyes of more than one culture: not only across different geographical locations, but also across different time periods.

    Insofar as multiculturalism supports these values, I think it's a good thing.
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    (Original post by Truths)
    I don't see how gender quotas has anything to do with multiculturalism. The fact that there are gender quotas as well as a race quotas tells me that CEOs are diligent in combatting job discrimination. Which unfortunately does exist.



    Maybe he's handsome? Maybe they want to encourage diverse applications?
    Why does it bother you that there are POC on your university front page?
    I'm sorry but if you're basically accusing me of racism for recognising that they're using race in this obvious way to give a facade of diversity at my uni then I'm not even going to bother with you
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    I'm sorry but if you're basically accusing me of racism for recognising that they're using race in this obvious way to give a facade of diversity at my uni then I'm not even going to bother with you
    And what is your point? That there should be more diversity at your uni?
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    (Original post by sevva888)
    As a third generation immigrant to the UK, I always think that people see the grass as greener abroad. However, they don't see the level of intolerance that occurs abroad. My family has lived through the years in the UK when we were not so multicultural as a country and racist attacks were commonplace. People attack multiculturalism, but I personally think it has made the UK a much better place on a purely personal level.

    Interested to read your views on this.
    Multiculturism is a problem, multiethnicity is a glorious thing.
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    (Original post by Jetboy)
    Multiculturism is a problem, multiethnicity is a glorious thing.
    So much this


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    The country I am from is very multicultural without any problem, I feel the UK is not as multicultural as it claims to be because in my city multicultural just means majority British and then a ton of Pakistanis and Polish. They even talk to each other and that's like 3. Just because there is a lot of Muslims doesn't make it multicultural, that's like one other culture.
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    (Original post by Truths)
    And what is your point? That there should be more diversity at your uni?
    no, I think they shouldn't even think about something so trivial as race at university
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    (Original post by Dinasaurus)
    The country I am from is very multicultural without any problem, I feel the UK is not as multicultural as it claims to be because in my city multicultural just means majority British and then a ton of Pakistanis and Polish. They even talk to each other and that's like 3. Just because there is a lot of Muslims doesn't make it multicultural, that's like one other culture.
    exactly - it's dual monoculturalism
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    UK had too many cultures to begin with.
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    Indeed. My issue is, however, how many people think that multiculturalism is a recent phenomenon and therefore is due to 'a collapse in Western values'.
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    (Original post by sleepysnooze)
    no, I think they shouldn't even think about something so trivial as race at university
    So you're just complaining becuase you like to complain. It doesn't affect you so simmer down :bebored:
 
 
 
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