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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    With another man? Jesus
    no with my daughter. we have separate rooms because of my snoring.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Why is there an argument happening over Lions?

    They're awesome and all but I bet the polar bear is stronger
    The stronger at wrestling and grappling no dought, but not striking with their paws.
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    The stronger at wrestling and grappling no dought, but not striking with their paws.
    So are you telling me if you put a male polar bear and a male lion together and made them fight the lion would win?

    You're joking surely
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    (Original post by john2054)
    no with my daughter. we have separate rooms because of my snoring.
    jesus
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    So are you telling me if you put a male polar bear and a male lion together and made them fight the lion would win?

    You're joking surely
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3889729
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    Grizzlies and polar bears are two different things...

    For one adult male grizzlies weigh about 400-700 lbs whereas male polar bears usually top 1000lbs. They're also a lot more insulated.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Grizzlies and polar bears are two different things...

    For one adult male grizzlies weigh about 400-700 lbs whereas male polar bears usually top 1000lbs. They're also a lot more insulated.
    Brutus the lion killed a polar bear, Artis the lion killed two polar bears, chita a leopard killed a polar bear, 4 lions whiped 3 polar bears and killed 1 in brouduax , Peary the polar bear got whiped by Roosevelt the lion, a polar bear was killed by two of alfred courts tigers, a small sloth bear named max killed a full gown polar bear.

    Weight means nothing when lions kill aniamls 2-5x bigger and heavier than bears.


    A lone lion who killed a pretty big elephant:
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22this+male+ki lled+this+elephant+entirely+on+i ts+own%22&cad=h


    lions kill male white rhino
    https://books.google.com/books?id=1j...rhinos&f=false

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...gle+I+can+only

    Herbert and Austen (1972)record the killing by lions of an adult rhino which was released in the Wankie National Park.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...+National+Park.

    Four animals (three bulls and one cow) were known to have succumbed from fatal wounds.... Attacks by lions (Panthera leo) on adult rhinos have been seen on two occasions in the Okaukeujo and Halali areas.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...lali+areas.%22

    Polar bears average only a thousand pounds, twice as small as a eland which lions kill regularly...even the world record polar bear is smaller than giraffes, hippos, rhinos and elephants by about 2-5x
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    Brutus the lion killed a polar bear, Artis the lion killed two polar bears, chita a leopard killed a polar bear, 4 lions whiped 3 polar bears and killed 1 in brouduax , Peary the polar bear got whiped by Roosevelt the lion, a polar bear was killed by two of alfred courts tigers, a small sloth bear named max killed a full gown polar bear.

    Weight means nothing when lions kill aniamls 2-5x bigger and heavier than bears.


    A lone lion who killed a pretty big elephant:
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22this+male+ki lled+this+elephant+entirely+on+i ts+own%22&cad=h

    Hence indian lions would be a natural part of indias eco-system.

    lions kill male white rhino
    https://books.google.com/books?id=1j...rhinos&f=false

    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...gle+I+can+only

    Herbert and Austen (1972)record the killing by lions of an adult rhino which was released in the Wankie National Park.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...+National+Park.

    Four animals (three bulls and one cow) were known to have succumbed from fatal wounds.... Attacks by lions (Panthera leo) on adult rhinos have been seen on two occasions in the Okaukeujo and Halali areas.
    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...lali+areas.%22

    Polar bears average only a thousand pounds, twice as small as a eland which lions kill regularly...even the world record polar bear is smaller than giraffes, hippos, rhinos and elephants by about 2-5x
    Whilst I can't deny that is quite a display of impressive feats, but don't lions hunt in packs? Obviously a pack of lions would overpower most terrestrial species, but I'm talking here a one on one situation.

    A polar bear killing two lions:http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/a...eb1944abrv.jpg

    A black bear killing a lion:
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/-P3euGsTTKUs/T7...N%2520LION.jpg
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    Q) African lion v.s North American grizzly bear?

    Q) African lion v.s Silver back gorilla

    Who wins? :gasp:
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Whilst I can't deny that is quite a display of impressive feats, but don't lions hunt in packs? Obviously a pack of lions would overpower most terrestrial species, but I'm talking here a one on one situation.

    A polar bear killing two lions:http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/a...eb1944abrv.jpg

    A black bear killing a lion:
    http://lh3.ggpht.com/-P3euGsTTKUs/T7...N%2520LION.jpg
    lol, I'm the one who posted those accounts and from the originals, the she-polar bear named Velox that killed the lions never specified if it were males, a common misconception in most articles...I dont really care for the debate of female lions, or maneless males, as almost all the lions prowess comes from his mane:
    http://www.allempires.com/forum/foru....asp?TID=35987

    A large maned lion, would whip or kill any sized polar bear you can name.

    Did you not read the book? It stated a single lion killed the juvi elephant, a juvi elephant is still well over 7,000 lbs as the photo showed...roughly around 7 polar bears combined.

    Denali National Park in which eleven wolves attacked and killed two grizzly bears.
    https://www.google.com/search?biw=12....0.IDYKi8-AKHU
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    lol, I'm the one who posted those accounts and from the originals, the she-polar bear named Velox that killed the lions never specified if it were males, a common misconception in most articles...I dont really care for the debate of female lions, or maneless males, as almost all the lions prowess comes from his mane:
    http://www.allempires.com/forum/foru....asp?TID=35987

    A large maned lion, would whip or kill any sized polar bear you can name.

    Did you not read the book? It stated a single lion killed the juvi elephant, a juvi elephant is still well over 7,000 lbs as the photo showed...roughly around 7 polar bears combined.
    Yeah but elephants aren't half as agile as a bear, nor does it have sharp teeth or claws. Once a lion gets up onto an elephants back there's not a lot it can do to prevent the lion from sinking its teeth into its neck. A bear is considerably more flexible than a juvenile elephant.
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    (Original post by XxKingSniprxX)
    Q) African lion v.s North American grizzly bear?

    Q) African lion v.s Silver back gorilla

    Who wins? :gasp:
    For the answer to your first question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Tx48x1ZoM



    Skip to about 17 minutes in
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Yeah but elephants aren't half as agile as a bear, nor does it have sharp teeth or claws. Once a lion gets up onto an elephants back there's not a lot it can do to prevent the lion from sinking its teeth into its neck. A bear is considerably more flexible than a juvenile elephant.
    Even a baby elephant is wicked strong, an killed an attacking puma on a ship:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...639C946797D6CF

    an pumas have killed over 40 black and brown bears (as shown)

    An you must be out of your mind if you think a slow lumbering bear will stack up to a elephant and not get instantly crushed by adults, or juvis:


    Elephants can run just as fast if not faster than bears, just because something is heavy, doesnt mean they are slower, bears bodys are built with all the weight in the back, hence they are not athletic.

    No, the lion most likely killed the elephant with incorporating his more athletic prowess, like being able to actually jump twice his own body distance and height, is quicker in to the evasive an eludes attacks while being able to deal maximum damage in the offense, how can a polar bear beat a juvi elephant? He doesnt have quickness, nor can even jump...the elephant would over power him and flatten him quickly, a few scrapes and bites is not going to kill a elephant out right, it will have to be hours of persistent attacking.

    And what feats do bears have? To my knowledge there are 10 accounts of polar bears being killed by wolverines, wolves and brown bears, yet lions go against tigers, leopards, hyena, wild dogs, crocs, an when it comes to tallying the score card the lion usually wins almost unanimously:
    http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/to...-tigers?page=1

    Polar bears arent even naturally aggressive, if a dog can pull a bear down, a lion would rip his entire face off:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJbEPjdqYg

    Plus your link doesnt work it says no one in this country is allowed to view it.

    it does say qi on the on bottom by any chance is that mentioning this one:
    http://qi.com/infocloud/fights

    lol Those were made up storys fabricated from the daniel boone incidents, there was no fights in california the cops stoped it and moved it to mexico, I showed the fights to those ones, there were no lions killed by bears there, just 4 bears that were killed by two lions parnell and sultan. This myth that bears can cave in a lions skull is exploited to be nothing but fan made, as the thread adressed bears dont strike, and the lion is the only one on record to kill bears with a single blow, either killing them by breaking the back, spine, neck or shattering in their skulls...no bear has any records to match how much times lions use this technique.
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    Even a baby elephant is wicked strong, an killed an attacking puma on a ship:
    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...639C946797D6CF

    an pumas have killed over 40 black and brown bears (as shown)

    No, the lion most likely killed the elephant with incorporating his more athletic prowess, like being able to actually jump twice his own body distance and height, is quicker in to the evasive an eludes attacks while being able to deal maximum damage in the offense, how can a polar bear beat a juvi elephant? He doesnt have quickness, nor can even jump...the elephant would over power him and flatten him quickly, a few scrapes and bites is not going to kill a elephant out right, it will have to be hours of persistent attacking.

    And what feats do bears have? To my knowledge there are 10 accounts of polar bears being killed by wolverines, wolves and brown bears, yet lions go against tigers, leopards, hyena, wild dogs, crocs, an when it comes to tallying the score card the lion usually wins almost unanimously:
    http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/to...-tigers?page=1

    Polar bears arent even naturally aggressive, if a dog can pull a bear down, a lion would rip his entire face off:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOJbEPjdqYg

    Plus your link doesnt work it says no one in this country is allowed to view it.
    I never denied the elephant was strong, just that it lacked flexibility. I also highly doubt the lion engaged it in face to face melee either. What probably happened was that the lion attacked it whilst it was asleep or otherwise unawares hence gaining the upperhand

    I'm talking lions vs polar bears here only, not puma's or tigers or grizzlies

    Black bears and brown bears aren't even half the size of fully grown male polar bears or even a Siberian grizzly.

    The polar bears were probably outnumbered as all the animals in question you mentioned tend to be pack hunters except the wolverine/grizz. Yet a wimpy black bear managed to take down a lion. How embarrassing for the lion.

    Polar bears outclass lions in every physical stat: (male)

    Polar bear/ Lion:
    Weight: 775-1200lbs / 263-280lbs
    Bite force: 1200 psi/ 1050 psi
    Height: 1.3m/ 4 feet

    Polar bears have been known to kill walruses and even beluga whales and narwhals.

    Polar bears aren't naturally aggressive? AHAHAHAAAA. Clearly you don't watch news much, do you?

    They're only the largest land carnivore in existence at the current time and about 90% of their diet is meat. Add that to the fact that all the male lion does all day is sit around and expect his females to hunt for him and the lion is probably naturally the laziest carnivore out there. Add that to the fact that the polar bear has several inches fat beneath his skin and strength enough to pull a walrus onto ice and you have quite a tank.

    The polar bears the lions defeated in your story were probably underweight and malnourished to make the fight easier for the lion. A fully fed male polar bear would flatten a lions skull in one hit; which brings me to my next point; bear bones and bear skulls are considerably thicker and stronger than a lions skull as evidenced by the stories out there of grizzlies brushing off bullets to the head. One well placed hit from a polar bear would crack open its skull or snap its spinal cord in two. Lions can easily be taken out from a jeep with a half decent shotgun

    I rest my case
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    I never denied the elephant was strong, just that it lacked flexibility. I also highly doubt the lion engaged it in face to face melee either. What probably happened was that the lion attacked it whilst it was asleep or otherwise unawares hence gaining the upperhand

    I'm talking lions vs polar bears here only, not puma's or tigers or grizzlies

    Black bears and brown bears aren't even half the size of fully grown male polar bears or even a Siberian grizzly.

    The polar bears were probably outnumbered as all the animals in question you mentioned tend to be pack hunters except the wolverine. Yet a wimpy black bear managed to take down a lion. How embarrassing for the lion.

    Polar bears outclass lions in every physical stat: (male)

    Polar bear: Lion:
    Weight: 775-1200lbs 263-280lbs
    Bite force: 1200 psi 1050 psi
    Height: 1.3m 4 feet

    Polar bears have been known to kill walruses and even beluga whales and narwhals.

    Polar bears aren't naturally aggressive? AHAHAHAAAA. Clearly you don't watch news much, do you?

    They're only the largest land carnivore in existence at the current time and about 90% of their diet is meat. Add that to the fact that all the male lion does all day is sit around and expect his females to hunt for him and the lion is probably naturally the laziest carnivore out there. Add that to the fact that the polar bear has several inches fat beneath his skin and strength enough to pull a walrus onto ice and you have quite a tank.

    The polar bears the lions defeated in your story were probably underweight and malnourished to make the fight easier for the lion. A fully fed male polar bear would flatten a lions skull in one hit; which brings me to my next point; bear bones and bear skulls are considerably thicker and stronger than a lions skull as evidenced by the stories out there of grizzlies brushing off bullets to the head. One well placed hit from a polar bear would crack open its skull or snap its spinal cord in two. Lions can easily be taken out from a jeep with a half decent shotgun

    I rest my case
    Then rest your case then..

    Kodiaks can rival polar bears, and a kodiak in a zoo killed two polar bears at once. An menelik the lion killed the kodiak named president, who the article even said the lion was pulling an ripping at the bears head with such force, that the bears head was merely decapitated, bears bite forces are half the strongest bite force of a 2,200 psi bite from a 700 lb lion
    https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,3847399&hl=en

    a young manless lion just nipping the device was almost 700 lbs of force:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fspXUYbv7GM

    which all doesnt matter anyway, it only takes 100 pounds of force to crack a skull, and only around 50 psi to sever the throat, carotid artery and trachea, its gona matter who gets their first, and lion all together is more powerful an has superior, speed, explosiveness, agility, quickness and dexterity...topped in with the bear can hardly get at the lions neck, since its protected by 2 feet of long dense thick mane.

    I dont know why you even bothered to name the weight, height, size statistics...doesnt everybody know that already? Repeating it isnt gona mean you have proof the bear would win over the lion who has way more advantages. And lol, I showed the photo of that circus at florida, they didnt have a single full maned lion that season.

    and the bear has every physical attribute over the lion? And so did this guy:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxlZ52O0rI

    yet he still lost, what do these largest fat blobs hunt thats so formidable? balugas, and walruses, both who only go flip flop on the ground or in the water, lol...the polar bear hunts nothing that can fight back with maneuverability and has weapons or attributes as powerful as the big cats. While lions hunt almost every type of ungulate on the planet, the okavango lions hunt primarily buffalo, because buffalo is one of the ony things in their area, a buffalo would merk a slow polar bear 100/100 times:







    In that case, lions would make the suitable mega fauna balance, since they are the only ones that kill big game regularly, one or two big game from tigers doesnt balance out anything.

    ..Lionesses generally prey on ungulates, comfortably taking down those sized between 50-300 kg.
    ..But male lions are also very good hunters,..They also take more risks in hunting and occasionally prey on much larger
    animals. They can fiercely take down bull buffaloes, giraffes and even hippo.

    http://globalsojourns.com/imagedump/...rican_Lion.pdf



    this proves that lions hunt more than they scavange
    http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/a...scavenging.jpg

    the males kill more buffalo than the females:
    http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/...0058bc2b_b.jpg







    lol an awww, cant handle facts, they were malnourished and under weight? lol those weren't arranged fights, they were accidental...circuses almost always take good care of their animals, not only because its their source of income, peta and many origination enforce the animal rights which keeps them fit, healthy, well fed and strong:


    Of course that has nothing to do with why you are ranting on, it just has everything to do with you billeting the lion and over hyping the bear, who faces little to no heavy competition like the lion.

    One decent hit? lol Nah, I'd take the observations of the experts who say bears dont throw blows or strikes, over some one who has never seen a bear fight in your life...nice opinion, until you find an actual account of that happening, then I'd take your word for it, until then only 6 accounts exist of having their heads caved in or backs broken, and its all on bears....from lions.

    You have nothing new.

    and aggressive? lol yeah, he was real aggresive to that dog the bit him, if a dog attacked a wild lion, he'd get swatted to death:

    http://voices.nationalgeographic.com...-and-wild-dog/

    an how embrarasing for the lion? lol no mane, how embarrsing is this:


    Animals reflect their prowess in what they compete against, hence sloth bears compete against hyena, tigers and a little while ago indian lions too, hence they are game to the death, polar beears are hardly game even if they are attacked, it'd take a super aggressiv polar bear to attack something else...yet a polar bear was killed by a leopard:
    http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper 11/Geneva NY Daily Times/Geneva NY Daily Times 1902 Nov-Oct 1903 Grayscale/Geneva NY Daily Times 1902 Nov-Oct 1903 Grayscale - 0408.pdf

    bullets and cracked skulls? lol big cats like tigers have bigger skulls breadth:



    And grizzly bears have wider and bigger skulls compared to polar bears...and lions have bigger skulls compared to tigers. Nothing you state is true, the big cats muzzles are twice as big as polar bears, thats where all the force is generated:

    Lion an grizzly bear, lion with bigger muzzle an head:


    lol and just because a man picks up weight, doesnt mean his bones get densar, the same with bears, the heavier they get doesnt mean their bones get denser, the only bone denseity chart ever made showed on the other forum ahd lions with denser bones in the front in comparison to a kodiak bear.... while the kodiak with densar bones in the back...everything else youve been saying are things made up out of thin air.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    For the answer to your first question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2Tx48x1ZoM



    Skip to about 17 minutes in
    I just watched the rest of this episode. Soo funny!
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    The most valuable Russian bear is noted to be the Kamchatka bear, a bear that can rival the kodiak:




    Baltimore nearly pulled one of these kinda bears head off. And Menelik easily dispatched a kodiak with two swift bites to the neck, and brown bears are more impressively built in the upper body compared to polar bears.

    Polar bears are big only in the body, elongated, thin and narrow...there neck areas arent even larger than a mans waist or shoulder to shoulder:


    Polar bears are built with small necks,small neck fat body:


    Lion front body bigger than back body:


    While lions are built different, their necks are bigger than a mans waste, their shoulders and arms an frontal area are bigger than their short end back area a design that protects the back area from hyenas, while the front can deliver and take punisment added in with the protective mane which is 2 feet long, 2 feet neck, + 2 feet mane, = 4 feet length side to side of the upper body, hence the lion is bigger in this area, this is a design for head on confrontations:

    This is only an 800 lb lion, there are many 1,000 lb lions too:


    Now lets use your twisting fabricated logic...

    Angryredhead: Sumo wrestlers are twice as big as boxers (bears are twice as big as lions), they have every type of size advantage, height, weight/mass, tallness, sumo wrestlers just so happen to be the largest competing athletes in the world (polar bears are the heaviest carnivore):


    They will be twice as big and powerful as a boxer and with one punch can cave in a boxers head.


    The boxer will stand no chance, because the sumo wrestler is twice his size....ha ha ha

    Now for the refute:

    Polar bears, like sumo wrestlers...have a specific technique, that does not involve punching, swatting, or delivering blows with the paw, they push, embrace, hug and wrestle:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igf-m1Hmfuw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyA4kW-Y5rE

    Both use the same technique...

    Lions use a specific technique to fight too, they use their paws as striking weapons, as the first link on this thread shows, its unanimous, over a 100 eyewitnesses confirm this and over a 100 videos confirm this, there isnt a single video of a bear delivering any type of paw blow that knocked down another bear...lions are like boxers:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTdwfe5xsk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itFh...youtu.be&t=487

    You can actually hear the lion swatting power as hits his rival, these are bone crushing hay-makers lions throw commonly, a bear rushes in head first:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yti2UY5D0zw


    Try doing that to a african lion, and the bear would get his head caved in an skull crushed, oh wait...they already have, there are numerous records of this happening, yet not a single of the opposite on a big maned lion.

    You obviously dont know what the word aggressive is, polar bears are passive:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3y4kGrKy9pk

    Lions are what you would call aggressive, as they have to take on at most times multiple opponents:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pca5u-ud5Ag

    Try to stick to the facts, and nice lion weights you got there, 280 lbs? Whats that, the size of a jaguar? lol There were three wild lions in tangayika to be 800 lbs, an another by daniel boone to be 900 lbs...but yet again, the size of these animals are not significantly apart compared to what lions hunt regularly to mean anything, its the skill, technique an what they were designed for. Polar bears might be true killers an the only carnivore bear, but they arent true fighters like lions, who fight every week of their lives in prides. If a lion can smack down 2,000 pound eland, a 1,000 pound polar bear would be just the same, if a lion can break the skull of an ox,camel, bull, the most thickest of brown bear skull would shatter just the same.

    Until you show me an account of a polar bear killing another bear as big as him self,decapitating it with a blow, knocking him down with a blow, or causing bone crushing blows than all your rants are flawed, empty and useless. The best the bear would do is push the lion down, a lion can easily bounce back up from being pushed down, in the opposite case, the bear will be either knocked out, or killed out right from a blow by the lion.
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    (Original post by john2054)
    i fail to see who someone who has worked with lions, and done a zoology degree, is not an expert?
    Well to really be an expert you need a PhD in Zoology

    As someone doing just that though I can categorically say this poster is talking absolute *******sed. Like the most *******s in the world. Ever.
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    So are you telling me if you put a male polar bear and a male lion together and made them fight the lion would win?

    You're joking surely
    Polar bear would win for sure.

    I mean I've seen a male lion get kicked to death by an angry giraffe for Christ's sake, they aren't all that.
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    (Original post by redferry)
    Polar bear would win for sure.

    I mean I've seen a male lion get kicked to death by an angry giraffe for Christ's sake, they aren't all that.
    I'd like to see you get kicked by a giraffe.
 
 
 
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