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    B941 - British Federalization, Devolution, Integration and Fair Electoral Bill 2016, The Rt Hon. Aph MP
    British Federalization, Devolution, Integration and Fair Electoral Bill 2016

    A Bill to create a federal system of government in the United Kingdom, to integrate all British Overseas Territories into the United Kingdom Proper, to reduce the number of MP’s who sit in the House of Commons, to reduce the number of peers who sit in the House of Lords, and to provide powers to local government.

    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
    1: British Overseas Territories


    1) All Places listed under Schedule 1 of this Act shall be compelled to hold a referendum on the question of “Should ‘x’ become a fully-integrated member of the United Kingdom and take part in elections of that country”
    2) Upon a ‘yes’ vote the territory in question will be considered under the dominion of the United Kingdom government and all peoples who would normally be able to vote in the United Kingdom may now vote people into the parliament of the United Kingdom.
    3) Upon a ‘no’ vote the relationship between the United Kingdom and the territory in question shall remain the same.

    2: House Of Commons

    1) The Number of MP’s in the House of Commons shall be 550.
    2) MP’s shall be elected by the Sainte-Laguë Method of Proportional Representation in closed Party-Lists
    3) There shall be no threshold to reach before a party receives a seat.

    3: House of Lords


    1) The Number of Peers in the House of Lords shall be capped at 600
    2) There shall be 100 Lords Spiritual who;
    .....a) Will be appointed every 5 years after the Census,
    .....b) Will be appointed by the head of each respective qualifying religious organization in this country, and;
    .....on the number of people reporting to belong to given religions in the UK.
    .....d) Seats That would be taken by Atheists will be appointed by the Secretary of State for Religious Affairs to prominent British Atheists
    ..........i) These may include up to 25% Buddhists and no Scientologists.
    3) There shall be up to 500 Lord Academics who;
    .....a) Will be appointed for:
    ..........i) outstanding work in:
    ...............(1) Business,
    ...............(2) Science,
    ...............(3) Medicine,
    ...............(4) Law,
    ...............(5) Industry,
    ...............(6) Humanitarian Aid
    ..........ii) Being a British Citizen with a Nobel Prize, or;
    ..........iii) Being a Former Speaker of the House Of Commons or Prime Minister
    .....b) May Serve an indefinite Term
    .....c) Other than those Mentioned in 3) a) iii) of this section no former MP’s may be a member of the House Of Lords
    .....d) Will Be appointed by the Head of State with Advice from Members of the Privy Council


    4: Senate


    1) A senate made up of 108 elected senators will be created during the next General Election.
    2) Each state as defined in Schedule 2 of this Bill will elect 4 Senators to the Senate
    3) The senate will have all the same powers as The House of Commons and are entitled to vote on all matters.
    .....a) Including finance bills
    4) For a item to pass the senate it requires at least 60 votes for the item.
    5) The speakers for the House of Lords and House of Commons and their deputies will take it in turns to be speaker of the senate.
    6) The senate will be elected by a Single Transferable Vote system with each person having to give a preference to 4 people for that ballot to be valid.
    7) The Senate is to be located in Manchester.


    5: UK Parliament


    1) Parliament will have the powers in the following areas:
    .....a) Creation of National Laws;
    .....b) Immigration;
    .....c) Defence;
    .....d) Monetary Policy;
    .....e) Foreign Policy;
    .....f) Public Health;
    .....g) The Creation and Funding of National Social Security Projects;
    .....h) Consumer Law;
    .....i) Borrowing;
    .....j) Setting the National Curriculum;
    .....k) Setting National Taxes;
    .....l) Agricultural Policy;
    .....m) The creation of National Parks;
    .....n) The Running of General and State Elections;
    .....o) The Provision of National Courts;
    .....p) The Provision of Inter-State roads and Train Services;
    .....q) Allocating Money to States from the Treasury.
    2) If conflicting laws are passed by Parliament and a State then Parliament is supreme unless the State law would give the General Public more civil rights.
    3) Schedule 4 territories will be under direct rule of Parliament.

    6: States


    1) The States of the United Kingdom shall be those defined under Schedule 2 of this Bill and Cover the Area Defined in Schedule 2 of this Bill
    2) In each State Capital there shall be an Administrative Chamber of the state.
    3) The State will be run by a Council of elected Officials who are entitled to sit in the Administrative Chamber of the State
    4) The council shall consist of:
    .....a) The Senators of the State
    .....b) Councillors elected using the Additional Member System of Voting,
    ..........i) There shall be an equal number Constituency Seats as Regional Seats.
    ..........ii) Each council will have 100 Councillors.
    ..........iii) The Regional Seats will cover the Counties as Defined in Schedule 3 of this bill.
    5) State Councils will have the Powers in the following areas:
    ..........a) The creation of new Counties within the State;
    ..........b) The number of Councillors in the State Council;
    ..........c) The Provision of State Courts;
    ..........d) The Provision of State Police and Fire Services;
    ..........e) The Provision of Education services, Inspection of Said services and, adding to the National Curriculum;
    ..........f) The Creation of State Laws;
    ..........g) The Provision of Airports;
    ..........h) The Provision of Boat Ports where appropriate;
    ..........i) The Provision of Trains and Roads exclusively within the state;
    ..........j) Consumer Protection;
    ..........k) Strategic Planning;
    ..........l) Approval of Large-Scale Projects within the State;
    ..........m) Setting State Taxes;
    ..........n) Creation and maintenance of Public footpaths and rights of way;
    ..........o) Environmental protection;
    ..........p) Creation of State Parks;
    ..........q) State Borrowing;
    ..........r) Allocating Counties money from State Funds
    ..........s) The changing of the Election System used in their County Elections;
    ..........t) The creation and financing of State Benefits.
    6) A state may only run at most a Deficit of 3% of its GDP.

    7: Counties


    1) The Counties of the United Kingdom shall be those defined under Schedule 2 of this Bill as areas of the state, Unless;
    .....a) The State is also Listed under Schedule 3 in which case those listed under Schedule 3 shall be defined as the counties.
    2) Counties will be run by an Administrative center.
    3) Counties will be divided into 50 areas by the Electoral commission of the U.K. Where it is practical to do so for County elections.
    4) The Administrative Center of a county will consist of 50 delegates elected every 4 years.
    5) County Administrative Centers will have powers and Duties in the Following areas:
    .....a) Altering the number of Delegates in the County;
    .....b) The Provision of Waste management and Collection;
    .....c) The Provision of Social Housing;
    .....d) The Provision of Social Services;
    .....e) The Provision of Graveyards and Crematoria;
    .....f) Licensing in the County;
    .....g) The Provision of Busses;
    .....h)Granting Planning Permission;
    .....i) Maintainance of War memorials;
    .....j) Provision and Maintenance of Public Toilets;
    .....k) Provision and Maintenance of Public Clocks;
    .....l) Provision and Maintenance of Public recreation areas;
    .....m) Guardianship of all Common Land in the county;
    .....n) Provision and Maintenance of Street lighting;
    .....o)Provision and Maintenance of a regular water Supply to all peoples within their jurisdiction.
    6) For the Purposes of Gibraltar the State Council will run all Country Duties and function as the County

    8: Elections


    1) To be eligible to vote in a General Elections a person must:
    .....a) Be over the age of 16, and;
    .....b) Be a British citizen, or;
    .....c) Have been normally resident in the United Kingdom for 5 continuous years with no more than 28 days out of the country in any one year period.
    2) To be eligible to vote in a State Election a person must:
    .....a) Meet the requirements to vote in a General Election;
    .....b) Have been normally resident in the State for a continuous year, and;
    .....c) Meet any further requirements the state puts on voting in its elections.
    3) To be eligible to vote in a Council Election a person must:
    .....a) Be over the age of 16;
    .....b) Be normally resident in the county, and;
    .....c) Be a British Citizen, or;
    .....d) Have been normally resident in the United Kingdom for 6 continuous months with no more than 14 days out of the country.

    9: Miscellaneous


    1) The Scottish Assembly is abolished
    2) The Welsh Assembly is abolished
    3) The Northern Irish Assembly is abolished
    4) Parish councils and their equivalents are abolished
    5) Laws Passed before the enactment of this bill on geographical areas will remain in force until their states repeal them.

    10: For the Purposes of the MHoC


    1) The elections in the house will not be changed.
    2) This bill will be made it's own wiki and attached to the MHoC menu so that the System of government of the House is easy for all to access.
    3) The passing of this bill will be considered a yes vote in the referendums.
    4) A list of the members of the House of Lords may be created and maintained at the speakers pleasure.
    5) It is recommended that a list of lords spiritual be published by the Government each term



    Schedule 1: List of British Overseas Territories
    1. The Isle of Man
    2. The Bailiwick of Guernsey
    3. The Bailiwick of Jersey
    4. Anguilla
    5. Bermuda
    6. British Virgin Islands
    7. Cayman Islands
    8. Falkland Islands
    9. Gibraltar
    10. Montserrat
    11. Pitcairn Islands
    12. Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
    13. Turks and Caicos islands
    Schedule 2: List of States and their Areas.

    Bailiwick of Guernsey | Capital: Saint Peters Port
    • The Bailiwick of Guernsey
    Bailiwick of Jersey | Capital: Saint Helier
    • The Bailiwick of Jersey
    Belt of Scotland | Capital: Glasgow
    • City of Edinburgh
    • Clackmannanshire
    • East Dunbartonshire
    • East Lothian
    • East Renfrewshire
    • Falkirk
    • Glasgow City
    • Inverclyde
    • Midlothian
    • North Lanarkshire
    • West Dunbartonshire
    • West Lothian
    Bermuda | Capital: Hamilton
    • Bermuda
    Caribbean | Capital: Cockburn Town
    • Anguilla
    • British Virgin Islands
    • Montserrat
    • Turks and Caicos Islands
    Cayman Islands | Capital: George Town
    • Cayman Islands
    Central Ireland | Capital: Downpatrick
    • Armagh
    • Down
    • Fermanagh
    • Tyrone
    East Midlands | Capital: Nottingham
    • Derbyshire
    • Leicestershire
    • Lincolnshire
    • Nottinghamshire
    East of England | Capital: Cambridge
    • Cambridgeshire
    • Essex
    • Norfolk
    • Suffolk
    Gibraltar | Capital: Gibraltar
    • Gibraltar
    Greater Manchester | Capital: Manchester
    • Greater Manchester
    Greater London | Capital: City of London
    • Greater London
    Heart of England | Capital: Oxford
    • Bedfordshire
    • Buckinghamshire
    • Hertfordshire
    • Nottinghamshire
    • Oxfordshire
    Highlands and Islands | Capital: Inverness
    • Highland
    • Moray
    • Na h-Eileanan Siar
    • Orkney
    • Shetland
    Isle of Man | Capital: Douglas
    • Isle of Man
    Lowlands | Capital: Dundee
    • Aberdeen City
    • Aberdeenshire
    • Angus
    • Argyll and Bute
    • Dundee City
    • Perth and Kinross
    • Stirling
    Mid-Wales | Capital: Aberaeron
    • Carmarthenshire
    • Ceredigion
    • Pembrokeshire
    • Powys
    North Ireland | Capital: Antrim
    • Antrim
    • Derry/Londonderry
    North of England | Capital: Carlisle
    • Cumbria
    • Durham
    • Lancashire
    • Merseyside
    • Northumberland
    • Tyne and Wear
    North Wales | Capital: Conwy
    • Conwy
    • Denbighshire
    • Flintshire
    • Gwynedd
    • Isle of Anglesey
    • Wrexham
    Saint Helena and the Falklands | Capital: Jamestown
    • Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha
    • The Falkland Islands
    • South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands
    South-East England | Capital: Guildford
    • Berkshire
    • East Sussex
    • Hampshire
    • Isle of Wight
    • Kent
    • Surrey
    • West Sussex
    South Scotland | Capital: Ayr
    • Dumfries and Galloway
    • East Ayrshire
    • North Ayrshire
    • Scottish Borders
    • South Ayrshire
    • South Lanarkshire
    South Wales | Capital: Cardiff
    • Blaenau
    • Bridgend
    • Caerphilly
    • Cardiff
    • Merthyr Tydfil
    • Monmouthshire
    • Neath Port Talbot
    • Newport
    • Rhondda
    • Swansea
    • Torfaen
    • Vale of Glamorgan
    South-West England | Capital: Bristol
    • Bristol
    • Cornwall
    • Devon
    • Dorset
    • Gloucestershire
    • Sumerset
    • Wiltshire
    West Midlands | Capital: Birmingham
    • Cheshire
    • Herefordshire
    • Shropshire
    • Staffordshire
    • Warwickshire
    • West Midlands (county)
    • Worcestershire
    Yorkshire | Capital: York
    • East Riding of Yorkshire
    • North Yorkshire
    • South Yorkshire
    • West Yorkshire
    Schedule 3: List of Counties by State


    Bailiwick of Guernsey
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    • Alderney
    • Sark, Herm and Jethou

    Bailiwick of Jersey
    • Grouville
    • Saint Brélade
    • Saint Clément
    • Saint Helier
    • Saint John
    • Saint Laurence
    • Saint Martin
    • Saint Mary
    • Saint Ouen
    • Saint Peter
    • Saint Saviour
    • Trinity

    Bermuda
    • Devonshire
    • Hamilton Parish
    • Paglet
    • Pembroke
    • Sandys
    • Smith’s
    • Southampton
    • St George’s Parish
    • Warwick

    Cayman Islands



    East Midlands
    • Nottinghamshire
    • Leicestershire
    • Derbyshire

    Greater Manchester
    • Bolton
    • Bury
    • Manchester
    • Oldham
    • Rochdale
    • Salford
    • Stockport
    • Tameside
    • Trafford
    • Wigan

    Greater London
    • Barking and Dagenham
    • Barnet
    • Bexley
    • Brent
    • Bromley
    • Camden
    • Croydon
    • Ealing
    • Enfield
    • Greenwich
    • Hackney
    • Hammersmith and Fulham
    • Haringey
    • Harrow
    • Havering
    • Hillingdon
    • Hounslow
    • Islington
    • Kensington and Chelsea
    • Kingston upon Thames
    • Southwark
    • Sutton
    • Tower Hamlets
    • Waltham Forest
    • Wandsworth
    • Westminster
    • City of London

    Isle of Man
    • Ayre
    • Garff
    • Glenfaba
    • Michael
    • Middle
    • Rushen

    Saint Helena and the Falklands



    South-West England
    • Bristol
    • Cornwall
    • Devon
    • Dorset
    • Gloucestershire
    • Isle of Scilly
    • Somerset
    • South Gloucestershire
    • Wiltshire

    Yorkshire
    • Craven
    • East Riding of Yorkshire
    • Hambleton
    • Harrogate
    • Richmondshire
    • Ryedale
    • Scarborough
    • Selby
    • South Yorkshire
    • West Yorkshire
    • York
    Schedule 4: Direct rule Territories
    • British Indian Ocean Territory
    • Akrotiri and Dhekelia
    • British Antarctic Territory



    Notes

    This Bill aims to make the UK more stable by devolving power to individual areas so that governments can create a more targeted approach to issues.

    This bill also sets the requirement to 60 votes for in the senate because this maximises the probability of a majority of 3 types of senator (BOT, England & Celtic) voting for the item which protects more isolated states from dictatorship of the majority.

    This Bill also Sets out the powers of each form of government and gives powers to states for creating laws, setting different taxes and benefits which allows the needs of individual communities to be protected more.

    This Bill also sets out to make the appointment of Lords Spiritual fair and not just appointing them based on centuries of tradition, whilst also limiting the numbers of the House of Lords and stopping it from being a retirement home for former MP’s.

    This bill also reduces the number of Tiers of government and creates a normalised hierarchical structure to government in the UK as opposed to the current system different levels of power to different regions.

    The reason for having 3 different houses is because each house has a different use.
    House of Commons: represents the political opinions of the entire nation.
    House of Lords: An academic house which seeks to advise the government and spot oversights in bills. Should be Apolitical in general.
    Senate: Represents the political whims of different States. This prevents the smaller and outlying states from being dominated by the larger states but still sets the boundary for passing legislation low enough such that legislation isn't impossible to pass.
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    RayApparently could schedule 1 be made the same size as the rest of the schedules?
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    Is the UK inherently unstable as is, given that seems to be the main argument?

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    (Original post by Aph)
    RayApparently could schedule 1 be made the same size as the rest of the schedules?
    Done.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Done.
    And the rest of the lines below each section and the notes? I didn't spot it.
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    Hmm, disagree strongly with a few things, but this is mostly a good bill. :holmes:

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    Not that it matters what I think -- I can't vote on it. :getmecoat:
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    (Original post by Aph)
    And the rest of the lines below each section and the notes? I didn't spot it.
    Done.
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    Nay.

    Far too much for one bill.

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    I don't want to become USA Jr
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    There is a good level of detail here. I too disagree with some things in this bill. I need to sleep on this before making my decision.
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    The reason why states work in the USA is because there is a large concentration of people in each state. Although it may not seem like it, our population isn't large enough.

    Also, the idea of a Senate means that this Bill effectively aims to create a 'USA-lite'. We should be proud of our culture and constitution... why should it be changed?

    Has anyone seen the criteria that must be fulfilled for eligibility to vote? What if someone goes on holiday every few years for a six-week period? Should they be barred from voting? If they are citizens of the UK, then barring them from voting on the account of a holiday is undemocratic.
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    Much of this Bill contains good ideas. However, I cannot support it because of the appointed and too large House of Lords.
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    It's a long one alright, and my eyes are hurting - I'll try again tomorrow

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    Daaaamn that is huge... fab effort. Nay, however.
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    (Original post by nebelbon)
    Nay.

    Far too much for one bill.

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    I don't want to become USA Jr
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    The reason why states work in the USA is because there is a large concentration of people in each state. Although it may not seem like it, our population isn't large enough.

    Also, the idea of a Senate means that this Bill effectively aims to create a 'USA-lite'. We should be proud of our culture and constitution... why should it be changed?

    Has anyone seen the criteria that must be fulfilled for eligibility to vote? What if someone goes on holiday every few years for a six-week period? Should they be barred from voting? If they are citizens of the UK, then barring them from voting on the account of a holiday is undemocratic.
    I do not recognise the argument of becoming like the US.

    Australia, Gemany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Brazil, Canada and countless others all have states and senates.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Much of this Bill contains good ideas. However, I cannot support it because of the appointed and too large House of Lords.
    This sees a cut in the HoL of 190 members, I'm sure that you understand that a scrapping of the HoL will not pass this house. So if you support the rest of this bill I urge you to vote aye as it is only a small compromise.
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    Section 1 - Aye

    Section 2 - Nay

    Section 3 - Abstain.

    Section 4 - Nay (somewhat pointless given section 3).

    Section 5 - Aye

    Section 6 - Nay

    Section 7 - Nay

    Section 8 - Nay

    Section 9 - Nay

    Section 10 - Abstain

    Nay for the bill as a whole.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I do not recognise the argument of becoming like the US.

    Australia, Gemany, Belgium, The Netherlands, Brazil, Canada and countless others all have states and senates.
    I am aware of that, but considering that we have/had a 'special relationship' with the US, we could easily be accused of imitating them.
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    First, the standard formatting is much better than whatever you're doing, please revert to it next time.

    Fine with s1 but I really don't care.

    No to s2, proportional representation is a bad idea for the primary electoral chamber of the UK because division into a large number of parties results in regulatory matters being used as political pawns. If you delegate a lot more law-making responsibility (read: most of it) to courts and to defined bodies of appointed experts, I could be convinced.

    As for s3, the Lords Spiritual should be abolished altogether, and this is not an improvement - there should be no people with legislative capacity appointed according to religious beliefs. No to the rest of it as well - review of proposed legislation should be done primarily by academics and the good fortune to succeed in business or industry does not qualify one to assess legislation. Certainly, at the very least, it should be required that they all be given a rigorous legal training. You also need to establish an independent body responsible for these appointments (lol at the Privy Council being remotely qualified to do so) and set out their constitutional status in greater detail - e.g. under what conditions may they be removed? Does this remove the previous settlement under which judicial members of the Supreme Court could not sit in the House of Lords politically? Does the power of the House of Lords change under this Bill? I suspect not, but a subsection to that effect would be useful.

    s4(3)(a) - this should be after a comma, not in a subsection. Absolutely not to s4(4), supermajorities are a terrible idea. And what exactly is the legislative power of the Senate? Can it initiate legislation? If you're going to set up a new legislative body, you need to create a whole new legislative process. Does a power exist in the Commons equivalent to that provided by the Parliament Acts?

    S5 makes it clearer what you're trying to do, and absolutely not, federalisation wouldn't work in the UK. Trying to exhaustively list the powers of the supreme body, where the supreme body is sovereign over a state, is ridiculous - rather, you should reserve some powers to the states and give Parliament the rest - if you insist on federalisation, I recommend looking to the EU rules on competency and adopt something similar to those. S5(2) is a cluster**** that you should just get rid of. First, a presumption of supremacy in terms of normative content is insane and leads to restrictive constitutionalism like the messes in the US and Germany. Furthermore, it's completely daft to think that 'civil rights' is nearly well enough defined to adopt such a huge definitional burden in the constitution of a state - especially given that most claims to 'civil rights' tend to be when two or more persons' purported rights are in conflict, so one would need to develop a method of commensuration between things which are essentially incommensurable at the moment - this, accordingly, delegates a huge legislative power to courts on matters which are fundamentally political (presuming the rights to property and education are both deemed 'civil rights', which is more important? A reduction in any given tax would increase civil rights in terms of the former but decrease them in terms of the latter).

    S6 - the powers reserved to councils are, in numerous places, contrary to EU law (consumer protection is under the near-exclusive domain of Europe at the moment, for instance). You also don't define suffrage in council elections - what qualifies one to vote in a council election? E.g. does one need to be ordinarily resident in that state, or born in that state? Will we develop different passports? Can one be eligible to vote in multiple states? S6(6) is a fiscally-limiting handicap for states, which is silly considering how wide those states' powers are defined.

    I'm fine with s7 but it needs some grammar amendments.

    S8 - I don't support the reduction of the voting age. 16 year olds, even those who are 'politically aware', simply haven't had capability of intelligent thought for sufficiently long to wisely use political agency. It's good that you offer definitions, but I don't think allowing states to define suffrage in their own elections is a good idea.

    S9 is largely pointless - it was obvious from the Bill as a whole and thus the removal was implicit. You do need to provide transitional provisions though. I also suggest that it's probably politically necessary for Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland to also ratify this Bill before it comes into force as regards them.

    S10 creates a lot of pointless work for the government. I suggest this simply has no effect on MHoC - I don't believe a Bill is capable of having that effect in any event.

    Ultimately, while this looks impressive because it's long, has extensive notes and is factually correct as far as I can tell, the actual policy of many of the provisions of this Bill simply hasn't been considered in enough depth to avoid this being a mess. It needs a lot of work to be worth considering in the least, and even then, I personally wouldn't vote in favour due to being opposed to much of the Bill's core policy.
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    That is a ridiculously big bill when posted into TSR.

    Nay.
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    Aph, Carlisle the capital of the North, are you taking the piss?
 
 
 
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