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    (Original post by Lawbringer)
    Maybe you can help. calculate all the dipso able cash you have and give it to help them. I mean it breaks your heart so much, then money you don't need donated should make you better. /s

    Maybe we should actually start confronting the problem of Islam in the middle east, instead of pretending that only few Muslims are extreme in view.
    I didn't need for you to tell me,I already donate to charity on a yearly basis
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    Well many Iraqis are returning to Iraq after realizing that life in Europe isn't all that.
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    We should employ the use of water cannons. In the cold winter it should be enough of a deterrent.

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    We should employ the use of water cannons. In the cold winter it should be enough of a deterrent.

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    Wow that's just OTT
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Wow that's just OTT
    I'd imagine the reasoning behind it would be that it's better to face cold water than it is cold lead. I'd sooner take a bath over a bullet any day.

    But that's assuming it comes down to that.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Why are these people risking their lives to come to our shores? Because they want a better life! What do we do? We can't let turkey bear all the burden,it's not fair. It's so sad when I see little kids being dragged around for days on end from one country to another just so there parents can give them a better life,a better education and most importantly hope. Like I've said before,we should have strict border patrols and those who don't have legitimate documents should be sent back.
    So you'd throw away our freedoms, way of life, safety, happiness, stability, prosperity and already dwindling culture - making the lives of all Europeans worse - just so that some strangers (who wouldn't do the same for you if the situation was reversed) can get in on our benefits system? Life isn't fair, it will never be fair and we must look after our own before looking after strangers. Besides, what about all the homeless people out there? Why should immigrants get jobs and homes that could've gone to them?
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    (Original post by Drunk Punx)
    I'd imagine the reasoning behind it would be that it's better to face cold water than it is cold lead. I'd sooner take a bath over a bullet any day.

    But that's assuming it comes down to that.
    It's just not viable with the amount of small children at the borders. 6 (I think) had to be medically treated due to tear gas exposure yesterday due to 1 canister. Imagine what a water cannon could do to a toddler!
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    It's just not viable with the amount of small children at the borders. 6 (I think) had to be medically treated due to tear gas exposure yesterday due to 1 canister. Imagine what a water cannon could do to a toddler!
    I doubt he's being serious, though a water cannon would definitely deter any half decent parents from attempting to invade Europe. Tear gas is being a bit soft to be honest. An electric fence would've avoided this problem all together. They try to cross -> they get buzzed, that should stop them pretty quick.
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    It's just not viable with the amount of small children at the borders. 6 (I think) had to be medically treated due to tear gas exposure yesterday due to 1 canister. Imagine what a water cannon could do to a toddler!
    I'd question the mental state of anyone who takes a toddler to an area that has water cannons and tear gas within.

    I'd also question the parental competency of anyone who would risk using their children as an emotional blackmail attempt against the willing users of such weapons.

    I sympathise with the refugees, I really do. It sucks to be bombed out of your house. But breaking into countries unlawfully is going to have repercussions, that's basic common sense at play. And seeing as enabling idiocy is what got us into this mess in the first place, I won't be shedding any tears for people who are taking their kids into an environment that could essentially turn into a battlefield at the drop of a hat.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    I doubt he's being serious, though a water cannon would definitely deter any half decent parents from attempting to invade Europe. Tear gas is being a bit soft to be honest. An electric fence would've avoided this problem all together. They try to cross -> they get buzzed, that should stop them pretty quick.
    The parents weren't anticipating tear gas I don't think, they were at the border fence and then a bunch of people tried to use a battering ram to knock it down, it got out of control fairly quickly. Where does the electric fence begin? Syria? Once they're making their way across to Europe they have to be distributed in some sort of even-handed manner; it's not fair or possible for Macedonia or Turkey to absorb the mass exodus without help. It's not their fault their country borders a war zone. We need a united global effort to mitigate effects of the mass displacement of people and we're not getting one so we have the current situation.
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    (Original post by Wattsy)
    The parents weren't anticipating tear gas I don't think, they were at the border fence and then a bunch of people tried to use a battering ram to knock it down, it got out of control fairly quickly. Where does the electric fence begin? Syria? Once they're making their way across to Europe they have to be distributed in some sort of even-handed manner; it's not fair or possible for Macedonia or Turkey to absorb the mass exodus without help. It's not their fault their country borders a war zone. We need a united global effort to mitigate effects of the mass displacement of people and we're not getting one so we have the current situation.
    If they don't want the immigrants coming in they should build electric fences across their borders with those war zones. Simple as that. As for the battering ram, that's a weapon of war. So in response to such things we should send armed troops to defend the border against the militant immigrants and scare off the others.
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    (Original post by Peroxidation)
    If they don't want the immigrants coming in they should build electric fences across their borders with those war zones. Simple as that. As for the battering ram, that's a weapon of war. So in response to such things we should send armed troops to defend the border against the militant immigrants and scare off the others.
    I'm not that familiar with Turkey to be honest but whipping out 511 miles of electrified border fence when ISIS formed up is almost certainly beyond them and any other country in the world,
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    They can also make the journey if they so wish.
    So the earth turns to a massive border-less superstate, can't see anything wrong with that. "if they so wish" is a bit of an overstatement as it is significantly harder to get to Europe from Guatemala than Libya. Isn't that discrimination against Guatemalans?

    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    It's not but it just happens to be a part of the world that has lately seen a disproportionate amount of wars and uprisings.
    Maybe not in countries like America, but it seems that way in mainland Europe as the vetting process is almost non-existent. "disproportionately" is normally codeword for quotas which are often unfair and counter-productive. So a victim of conflict in Cameroon/Mexico/Pakistan is less worthy of being a victim than if you are from Syria/Libya?
    Many migrants are here for economic reasons (not genuine refugees), so an economic migrant from Australia/India is less worthy of being an economic migrant despite of merits?

    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Because they don't want refugees and working conditions are terrible.
    So Saudi Arabians should be held in a lower standard than Europeans?
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    We should employ the use of water cannons. In the cold winter it should be enough of a deterrent.

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    These people ran away from gunfire and bombing and airstrikes, they went across the Mediterranean, many of whom capsized and drowned or witnessed death and abuse from people in their countries, and had been attacked with tear gas, etc... do you really think a little water will break their spirit?
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    I hope that happens.
    Counter productive. Would lead to even more white-guilt from "the left" and more propaganda fuel for anti-west Islamist groups. In this "war", whenever one side goes up on a "shooting spree" (or droning spree), the other side wins.

    I'm ignoring the blatant support for a Holocaust-like event.
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    These people ran away from gunfire and bombing and airstrikes, they went across the Mediterranean, many of whom capsized and drowned or witnessed death and abuse from people in their countries, and had been attacked with tear gas, etc... do you really think a little water will break their spirit?
    It is not the water which will break their spirit, it is the cold after the water.
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Wow that's just OTT
    Would you rather they get shot?
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Wow that's just OTT
    Wake up, these men are not going to stop coming because we ask them nicely not to. They're currently tearing town barbed wire fenced in SE Europe...

    Unless they are forcefully prevented they will keep coming in their millions.

    And I'd be more worried about that as a young women than anyone...Amazes me how little resolve or clear thinking European women display on this issue. A few sob stories and you'd have half of Arabia camped in your living room
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Would you rather they get shot?
    Obviously no
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Obviously no
    But we can't get let them all in without at least processing them. If they want to try and violently enter we have the right to violently resist, however violence will not solve anything in this situation. That is why water cannons are the better option.
 
 
 
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