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BBC News: Migrant crisis - UN says Europe is 'on cusp of self-induced crisis' Watch

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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    Reignite the candle so I can see where the damn window is?
    I didnt say its completely dark.
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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    That's a good point. Can we put these refugees to work? In factories, manufacturing line or stuff

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    Well that's already happening in Germany they have an ageing population so need migrants to fill jobs in manufacturing they offer on the job training in manufacturing - No wonder then people are risking their lives to get there. And It's a no brainer the more skilled people in a country the easier employers can get away with paying less
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Well that's already happening in Germany they have an ageing population so need migrants to fill jobs in manufacturing they offer on the job training in manufacturing - No wonder then people are risking their lives to get there. And It's a no brainer the more skilled people in a country the easier employers can get away with paying less
    Thats great to hear.
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    (Original post by kadeharbert)
    our only solution is to leave the EU or face being forced to absorb millions of immigrants that we simply do not have the space or facilities to cater for
    Never mind the will, and the ability to cohesively absorb them, given incompatible values/customs/desires/behaviours

    Both the NHS and education system are already at their limits
    Not to mention the housing (and, by extension, cost of living) crisis!
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    And the senior NATO commander in Europe says that Russia is deliberately using the crisis to destabilise Europe
    Well he would say that wouldn't he. Russia certainly aren't helping but they only really got involved in Syria way after the migrant crisis started, < 20% of the migrants in Europe are from the theatre, and it's plain for all to see that the EU has destabilised itself. If you want to point the finger at a foreign power then probably better to start with our wonderful NATO allies Turkey, Germany, and the good old United States of Anarchy :yy:

    Our politicians are letting us down
    Ours in office in the UK aren't, really (although I'd prefer a moratorium on Muslim migrants, personally), but Europe's certainly are, aye
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    (Original post by Alcohonick)
    So letting in a few jihadis among millions of refugees is as equal a threat compared to the USSR to its own people? Come on, what few jihadists there are amongst the immigrants pose a negligible threat to us. The Paris Attacks killed 138 people in total, whereas Al-Qaeda killed 2,996 people in 2001 - considered the two most sophisticated attacks against the west by each terror group respectively. The threat is low, and racist bigots like you who think we shouldn't stand up and help the less fortunate are responsible for catalysing this threat.
    So if you are against a horde of illegal immigrants invading your country you're a racist? You can do better than to use pathetic emotional arguments like that.
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    (Original post by Cato the Elder)
    So if you are against a horde of illegal immigrants invading your country you're a racist? You can do better than to use pathetic emotional arguments like that.
    You can do better than to use pathetic arguments which involve skim-reading and summarising an argument to something which is entirely different.

    It is racist to want to remove a group of people based solely on the fact that they are illegal immigrants from the Middle East, when we have a 150,000+ signature petition going through the home office which is against the deportation of an elderly woman to South Africa.

    Now you can jump the gun and make the argument that she wasn't deported back to her home country, despite moving here and staying illegally, because of the fact that she is extremely ill and could die. But that is no different, fundamentally, to sending a Syrian back to the Middle East to be killed by Assad, ISIS, or Russian bombing.

    Both are illegal immigrants, and everyone is negatively predisposed towards the people running from conflict and who happen to be from a Muslim region.
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Human nature unfortunately. Big Imperial empires have always played world domination games
    Don't you know U.S. & Russia want to rule the world?
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    (Original post by skunkboy)
    Don't you know U.S. & Russia want to rule the world?
    Yes of course. If you had the power, wouldn't you?

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    (Original post by tengentoppa)
    The supposed liberalism and tolerance of those who encouraged this has led to a very real threat to those values
    This is why third-way pluralism absolutely has to make way for fourth-way pragmatic pluralism

    I haven't heard even a smidgen of remorse from those people, who desperately cling to the narrative that there is no problem and any problem is due to the far-right and our lack of tolerance of other cultures
    It's absolutely baffling isn't it? I mean, we always knew pseudo-liberal ideologues were deluded but what's happening really takes the biscuit
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    BBC News: Migrant crisis: EU and Turkey close in on agreement

    In a statement, EU leaders said they broadly supported a deal that included:

    • The return of all new irregular migrants crossing from Turkey to the Greek islands with the costs covered by the EU

    • The resettlement of one Syrian from Turkey to the EU for every Syrian readmitted by Turkey from Greece

    • Speeding up of plans to allow Turks visa-free travel in Europe, with a view to lifting visa requirements by June 2016

    • Speeding up the payment of €3bn promised in October, and a decision on additional funding to help Turkey deal with the crisis .. €6bn

    • Preparations for a decision on the opening of new chapters in talks on EU membership for Turkey


    German Chancellor Angela Merkel .. and French President Francois Hollande .. hailed progress at the talks

    UK PM David Cameron said EU leaders have "the basis for a breakthrough" .. stressed the UK would not take part in any resettlement scheme

    Hungarian PM Viktor Orban .. said he had vetoed the plan to resettle refugees in Europe


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    We are Europeans. Our civilisation is ‘the West’, formerly ‘Western Christendom’. Excepting the migrants among us, we are not Eastern/Muslim. We do not want Muslim member states among our ranks in a free movement zone, everyone can surely see that this would be a catastrophe!?

    If the EU is determined to bridge East and West, allowing Turkey to join (opening the door to floods of Muslim and third-world migrants/militants), as well as Muslim states like Bosnia and Albania (who are earmarked for accession in coming years), then good luck to them

    If anyone was in any doubt that the European Union is doomed, as it's determined to self-destruct, well, now you know. The security, and broader social, implications of this folly are dire. We absolutely have to get out now, this is utter, utter madness! Cameron is taking something of a sensible position on resettlement but there'll be nothing to stop migrants from coming here once they gain residency/citizenship in the EU

    What Western leaders should be doing is ejecting Turkey from NATO for supporting ISIS, persecuting Kurds, oppressing and false flag terrorising their own people, and attacking Russia unprovoked, making it plain that if Turkey doesn't stop sending migrants there will be sanctions, and getting far tougher with people smugglers/escorting all boats and illegal immigrants back to the continents they came from

    We, the people of Europe, have had enough of this crap. Prediction: if leaders don’t start acting sensibly, and in our interests, soon, they will surely be overthrown, one way or another. The far right are making huge gains on the continent, let's not have a fascist revolution, please, FGS!
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    Problem is easily solved. Make it clear that people crossing by boat WILL NOT GET ASYLUM. Australia did this and people stopped coming. No more drownings. Incentives work.



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    (Original post by HucktheForde)
    That's a good point. Can we put these refugees to work? In factories, manufacturing line or stuff

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    One of the reasons the net costs are so immense is that employment rates aren't particularly high. Economist Tino Sanandaji has written a lot about Sweden's experience (Sweden takes in more refugees per capita than anywhere else).

    The figures refer to the number employed as the share of the 15-65 population for each immigrant group.

    Immigrants from Iraq:
    Sverige 29%.
    Danmark 22%
    Storbrittanien 42%
    Nya Zeeland 40%
    Australien 32%
    Kanada 52%
    USA 62%

    Immigrants from Afghanistan:
    Sverige 24%.
    Danmark 18%
    Storbrittanien 23%
    Nya Zeeland 23%
    Australien 34%
    Kanada 46%
    USA 54%

    Immigrants from Somalia:
    Sverige 24%.
    Danmark 16%
    Storbrittanien 15%
    Nya Zeeland 25%
    Australien 22%
    Kanada 36%
    USA 52%
    In the latest available year foreign nationals constituted 6% of the Swedish population and 29% of the prison population. Foreigners are thus 6.2 times as likely to be incarcerated than Swedes, or 520% higher incarceration rate.

    The over-representation is even higher for middle eastern citizens, who are 6.6 as likely as Swedish citizens to be in prison.

    Lastly African citizens are 10.9 times as likely as Swedish citizens to be in prison.
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    (Original post by _icecream)
    Well that's already happening in Germany they have an ageing population so need migrants to fill jobs in manufacturing they offer on the job training in manufacturing - No wonder then people are risking their lives to get there. And It's a no brainer the more skilled people in a country the easier employers can get away with paying less
    I doubt the long term viability of such a policy. In ten years time manufacturing will probably be so automated that people are recieving basic income as low skilled labour becomes automated. People in Europe laugh and snigger in their classic holier-than-thou way about how Japan is heading for a demographic crisis, but I think they will be having the last laugh in their quiet and very dignified way.


    The best places like Silicon valley are very multicultural, but they've done themselves a favour and taken the best slice of cake, mother Europe is a bit of a sloot
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)

    Not to mention the housing (and, by extension, cost of living) crisis!

    Hmmmm :sly:


    Open the gates I say, let them in
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    I mean, we always knew pseudo-liberal ideologues were deluded but what's happening really takes the biscuit
    Read this, then: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35653496

    And this story reminds me of the other statue-destroying loonies moaning about Rhodes and Queen Victoria: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35745962
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    The second idea is simply unacceptable and i implore the eastern Europeans to keep their states free from this horde.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The second idea is simply unacceptable and i implore the eastern Europeans to keep their states free from this horde.
    On the face of it, yes. But think about what should happen. Those currently using their wealth to pay traffickers to reach the EU will be put off because they can now expect to be returned straight back to Turkey - thus throwing their money away for no benefit and a risk of death.

    People will know that those who remain in Syria will be automatically at the head of the queue for getting in to the EU, and that every time someone is caught and returned they step up the queue.

    In due course we will be returning very few as the horde will have stopped the attempt.
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    (Original post by Feel Tha Bern)
    I doubt the long term viability of such a policy. In ten years time manufacturing will probably be so automated that people are recieving basic income as low skilled labour becomes automated. People in Europe laugh and snigger in their classic holier-than-thou way about how Japan is heading for a demographic crisis, but I think they will be having the last laugh in their quiet and very dignified way.


    The best places like Silicon valley are very multicultural, but they've done themselves a favour and taken the best slice of cake, mother Europe is a bit of a sloot
    The Germans desperately need cheap labour, they have the lowest birth rate in Europe that means more eldery people and who is going to look after them? Of course it's the new immigrants. The new immigrants are eager to learn and they will work harder for little pay.
 
 
 
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