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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I don't hobnob with investment bankers so I wouldn't know. But your 'evidence' appears to be 'I spoke to an employer and they said stuff was in UCL's anthropology degree that wasn't in LSEs...'. Which I just thought was quite funny having seen you demand evidence from someone else on this thread.
    My evidence, as I have already said, is mostly based on RAE and REF results (which you can google yourself) and departmental reputation within academia and some employers, not anecdotal evidence based on the odd conversation.
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    (Original post by Aadawg)
    Hey! There's the general saying that LSE is better than UCL for everything it does, and that UCL is better for everything else. This combined with the fact that LSE degrees (apparently) have greater international reputation & employability makes it a more attractive institution overall.
    LSE benefits abroad from having a self-describing name. It is good for economics, but the reason it is known for it internationally above other British universities comes down to branding.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    My evidence is, as I have already said, is mostly based on RAE and REF results (which you can google yourself) and departmental reputation within academia and some employers, not anecdotal evidence based on the odd conversation.
    Well from what I found online, by REF LSE is higher overall and higher in Anthropology (where it's #1). I couldn't be bothered to check every subject on that list. I imagine 'reputation' is rather difficult to measure but I know both are very respected institutions. Perhaps UCL has overtaken LSE in more recent REF rankings - the one I found was from 2014.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2038780975
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com...over-14-01.pdf
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Well from what I found online, by REF LSE is higher overall and higher in Anthropology (where it's #1). I couldn't be bothered to check every subject on that list. I imagine 'reputation' is rather difficult to measure but I know both are very respected institutions. Perhaps UCL has overtaken LSE in more recent REF rankings - the one I found was from 2014.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2038780975
    https://www.timeshighereducation.com...over-14-01.pdf
    Did you actually look at the figures? Doesn't look like it. REF clearly shows that UCL has more 4* and 3* research than LSE. Actually UCL has the second highest percentage of 4* (world leading) research in the country.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Did you actually look at the figures? Doesn't look like it. REF clearly shows that UCL has more 4* and 3* research than LSE. Actually UCL has the second highest percentage of 4* (world leading) research in the country.
    But... it doesn't though... Look.
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    (Original post by guest115)
    Hi, on tsr and I feel in real life too, most people I have seen regard LSE as a far more desirably university than UCL. From my experience those who have offers from LSE and UCL, 9 times out of 10 firm LSE.

    Any more details as to why this is, given their reputations are pretty similar.
    Thanks
    I prefer LSE over UCL for various reasons, and chances are I would choose LSE over UCL (if accepted to UCL).

    Not sure if this is the case in other parts of England, but being right from London, I can say that I've also heard both UK and international students (KCL, QMU, Imperial students etc) and people favour LSE over UCL. It's been more than once where I've heard other uni students perceive UCL as being "overrated/not that great"

    So I don't see this mentality as being exclusive to TSR. Whilst I do agree it is not as great as let's say Imperial and LSE, I do find it a nice school, and I cannot see why there is a sense of resentment towards the school in real life.

    With all that said, UCL tends to have slightly lower entry requirements than LSE (both in UK and overseas), and comparing the least competitive programmes at LSE and UCL (social sciences), UCL tends to be less strict on handing out offers
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    (Original post by TurboCretin)
    LSE benefits abroad from having a self-describing name. It is good for economics, but the reason it is known for it internationally above other British universities comes down to branding.
    That's not entirely true. It's also more selective than UCL because of its size. And besides people seem to forget that LSE's full name is 'The London School of Economics and Political Science'. It does other things besides economics.
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    (Original post by john787)
    If you look at the individual rankings by subject for Accounting and Finance or Economics UCL does not appear in the top 10. From an international employment perspective in the Investment banking UCL is not seen as a target university but it is within the UK.

    Oxbridge and LSE is well known worldwide but most people outside the UK have never heard of UCL and in particular the business world.

    Most academics would have heard of UCL worldwide but for the general population internationally the brand recognition is very low.
    I somewhat agree with you. But UCL is quite known amongst the I-banking community in New York, Chicago...
    Nobody in the I-banking industry is going to think "Oh you went to UCL, but not LSE. You suck!" Both unis are highly regarded.
    For the general public (i.e. you go up to a stranger and say you went to __ uni) in North America, LSE and UCL don't raise eyebrows the way Oxbridge and (sometimes) Imperial do.
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    (Original post by frognation22)
    I somewhat agree with you. But UCL is quite known amongst the I-banking community in New York, Chicago...
    Nobody in the I-banking industry is going to think "Oh you went to UCL, but not LSE. You suck!" Both unis are highly regarded.
    For the general public (i.e. you go up to a stranger and say you went to __ uni) in North America, LSE and UCL don't raise eyebrows the way Oxbridge and (sometimes) Imperial do.
    This^ All the traditional targets here are known in the US i-banking community, especially because they're represented amongst graduates of the top MBA programmes.

    When I speak to a randomer on a US college campus the following happens:
    - Oxford is known
    - People ask if I mean Harvard or MIT when I say 'Cambridge'
    - St Andrews registers due to the royal wedding
    - Edinburgh is known, more so for medicine than anything else really
    - People don't make the distinction between UCL/KCL/Imperial, they'll only catch on to the fact that those schools are in London
    - Warwick is synonymous with Maths

    So to reiterate what everyone else has been saying, the people 'in the know' will be aware of the top universities here and will rightly so, consider any graduates from such institutions as they would graduates from top US universities.

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    This^ All the traditional targets here are known in the US i-banking community, especially because they're represented amongst graduates of the top MBA programmes.

    When I speak to a randomer on a US college campus the following happens:
    - Oxford is known
    - People ask if I mean Harvard or MIT when I say 'Cambridge'
    - St Andrews registers due to the royal wedding
    - Edinburgh is known, more so for medicine than anything else really
    - People don't make the distinction between UCL/KCL/Imperial, they'll only catch on to the fact that those schools are in London
    - Warwick is synonymous with Maths

    So to reiterate what everyone else has been saying, the people 'in the know' will be aware of the top universities here and will rightly so, consider any graduates from such institutions as they would graduates from top US universities.



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    What about Durham for all these factors?
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    (Original post by guest115)
    What about Durham for all these factors?
    Durham is also well known (in the UK at least) and performing quite well in recent rankings.
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    (Original post by TheSnazzyMan)
    Durham is also well known (in the UK at least) and performing quite well in recent rankings.
    Yeah I know its UK rankings, but more interested in things like successful admissions into top MBA schools, representation in domestic and foreign IB.
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    (Original post by guest115)
    Yeah I know its UK rankings, but more interested in things like successful admissions into top MBA schools, representation in domestic and foreign IB.
    Regarding IB, Durham is considered a semi-target amongst other unis like Nottingham, CASS etc. for IBs in the UK. Don't know why foreign IB matters, but internationally, I believe it to be well known as well (although not as much as the targets).
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    But... it doesn't though... Look.
    Yes it does. UCL submitted 36 pieces of research to REF, of which 43% was considered 4*. LSE only submitted 14 pieces to REF, 50% of which was rated 4*. Do the math. And if you look at 'research power', UCL is no. 1 whereas LSE is a lowly 28.
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    (Original post by Copperknickers)
    That's not entirely true. It's also more selective than UCL because of its size. And besides people seem to forget that LSE's full name is 'The London School of Economics and Political Science'. It does other things besides economics.
    And while all of that may be true, it isn't the reason LSE is well known overseas.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Evidence please.
    Based on evidence speaking with my manager at a top tier consulting firm (BCG, McKinsey, Bain) while talking about my uni applications. Since the partners of the firm (or manager in some points) screen the applications I was curious how he would rate my application with several unis.

    His response was: He would put LSE, LBS and Oxbridge over Mannheim, WHU and St.Gallen (I live in Germany). Imperial, UCL, Cass below Mannheim, HSG, WHU but probably over 'others'.

    I do understand UK people's opinion that they think UCL should be on the same level world-wide as LSE does. But the same goes for Germany as well. There are several really good universities (such as Cologne - which is a CEMS uni, or Frankfurt/ Munich) all of them place superb in Germany (like UCL does in UK), but if you leave the country most employers will only know Mannheim, St. Gallen and to some point WHU. Same goes for LSE vs. UCL in my opinion.

    Which isn't bad since most of the graduates at UCL will stay in the UK an profit from the great reputation, but saying that LSE has a more famous brand in the world is nothing but the truth imo.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Yes it does. UCL submitted 36 pieces of research to REF, of which 43% was considered 4*. LSE only submitted 14 pieces to REF, 50% of which was rated 4*. Do the math. And if you look at 'research power', UCL is no. 1 whereas LSE is a lowly 28.
    UCL is a large multidisciplinary Uni whilst LSE is a considerably smaller specialist Uni. UCL submits more research because it has 5 times the academic staff that LSE does and that research is very good. It is not a better uni because it's a larger which is why the REF ranking is by the proportion of quality research. Research Power is typically calculated by the product of quality research and the number of academic staff. All things being equal the larger the Uni, the greater it's research power. LSE therefore punches far above it's weight.

    I'm not arguing that UCL isn't one of the best universities in the world but you made claims that you cannot back up.

    Not to mention the OP is almost definitely discussing undergraduate prestige which is only marginally affected by research. Just look at St. Andrews.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    UCL is a large multidisciplinary Uni whilst LSE is a considerably smaller specialist Uni. UCL submits more research because it has 5 times the academic staff that LSE does and that research is very good. It is not a better uni because it's a larger which is why the REF ranking is by the proportion of quality research. Research Power is typically calculated by the product of quality research and the number of academic staff. All things being equal the larger the Uni, the greater it's research power. LSE therefore punches far above it's weight.

    I'm not arguing that UCL isn't one of the best universities in the world but you made claims that you cannot back up.

    Not to mention the OP is almost definitely discussing undergraduate prestige which is only marginally affected by research. Just look at St. Andrews.
    The fact that UCL is much bigger than LSE is completely irrelevant. We are comparing individual Anthropology departments, UCL's Anthropology department is fairly comparable in size to LSE's. I have backed up my claims; you just don't want to believe it.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    The fact that UCL is much bigger than LSE is completely irrelevant. We are comparing individual Anthropology departments, UCL's Anthropology department is fairly comparable in size to LSE's. I have backed up my claims; you just don't want to believe it.
    But UCL isn't ranked as having greater research power than LSE in Anthropology (where LSE is ranked the best in the country by the REF). UCL is ranked as having greater research power overall which is due to it's size. But when size is taken out of the equation LSE ranks higher than UCL overall. And yet you argued that UCL is superior in a vast range of subjects - where I guarantee UCL has more academic staff when combined.

    The facts are as follows:
    By REF ranking:
    LSE > UCL overall
    LSE > UCL in Anthropology (and therefore I imagine a lot of the subjects in your list - I'm just sticking to what I know)

    By 'Research Power' (a faulty measure that the REF themselves don't use as their primary one):
    UCL > LSE

    These are demonstrable from the figures that you asked me to check. Both are very highly ranked but the evidence doesn't support your very bold initial claim.


    PS. UCL's Anthropology department is almost twice the size of LSE's. But you're right, that is irrelevant to the debate.
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    Snufkin If it makes you feel better UCL has better research in Economics than LSE according to the REF (ranked #1) though it has a smaller department.
 
 
 
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