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    Ermmmmm was this leopard a Muslim by any chance? :hmmm:
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    (Original post by Hamoody)
    Ermmmmm was this leopard a Muslim by any chance? :hmmm:
    Perhaps
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    Wha?

    Dont know what you're talking about, It wasnt exclusive against the tiger, in fact I showed 10x more of pumas killing bears than leopards killing tigers, like I said before, why is it cool for every one to say tiger > leopard 10/10, just because its bigger, why is it cool to say bear > cougar 10/10 just because its bigger? Is there any proof that size will grant a automatic win a fight?

    Your answer is no:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UDpN7lAqps

    And no again
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5WfWmISKrk

    And most of you who say these things like bigger > smaller are obnoxious pricks the way you go on about it, the way your arguments are concrete, the way that you'd say everyone agrees with you, when you your self have no definitive proof beyond a sheeple tenancy .

    Just here to point out some simple facts. If the tiger wins more often...I dont care.

    But the tiger is not an unbeatable god the way youtube posters carry on walls of text how the tiger is all powerful, bigger, stronger, faster and any other bullcrap you cant prove...and the romans? Doooo tell...theres only a handfull of records of the romans, and most of it shows the lion was the dominate animal there, per tangible proof, not opinion based.

    You can take it in any way you want to. You just seem mad that leopards seem to kill tigers more...on record.



    I dont portray anything...I show facts, and people can make their own decisions. The lion vs tiger thread shows lions beating tigers more often, if you disagree, compile more times tigers have killed lions, thats literally the only way you can refute or dispute something, throwing around hear say remarks and using poorly sourced material like Wikipedia, is just laughable, if I wanted a P.hd in auto mechanic, I'll read Wikipedia... boom... now I have a Ph.d now on that subject. lol No thats not how facts work.



    I dont see any accounts, so I cant make that call, just because the tigers smaller cousin can kill a gorilla, doesnt mean a tiger can, look at brown bears, pumas kill them hundreds of times, yet the few records of a big bear fighting a tiger, the tiger seems to flop on victories.



    I dont see how. The leopard actually did dominate the tiger in almost every fair match up, luck-nows records in india said this, I didnt say that...they did. Again to your long post, I didnt make up any of these records, I didnt photo shop them, fabricate them or twist them, so how am I bias? It just seems you thought the tiger was a unbeatable god who should only ever be praised and if there is a discussion on anything against him, he always wins, 10/10...much like your romans rant.
    What puma vs bear thread ?Can you link me to this ?
    I never talked about puma or bears,thats a strawman.
    When did I ever say the tiger was unbeatable ?
    Define what you mean by fair match up ?
    How is wikipedia poorly sourced,when you can check the link of where they cite every sentence from ?
    I simply pointed out virtually all your posts show the tiger losing,not one has shown the tiger winning on any encounter .Is it wrong to point that out ?I never ever said you fabricated,photoshopped or twist them,your missing the point. I am simply asking why all your posts involving tigers show them losing on every encounter .
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    (Original post by Kadak)
    What puma vs bear thread ?Can you link me to this ?
    I never talked about puma or bears,thats a strawman.
    You can find more times a cougar has killed a bear than tigers from leopards here after the lion vs bear:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3889729


    When did I ever say the tiger was unbeatable ?
    When you use ridiculous terms like the tiger won most of the time, you need to show tangible proof, a written artifact, a painting, sculpture, engraving or any other form that stems from a roman, not someone who has no study or academics in that field of science. Only historians and archaeologist have these type of credentials to answer such questions.

    Define what you mean by fair match up ?
    Both being aware of each other and in the standard of adult in good health.

    How is wikipedia poorly sourced,when you can check the link of where they cite every sentence from ?
    What does that have to do with anything, just because it links somewhere doesn't mean its credible, it could lead you to a bowl of crap and you'd still call it credible. There is only one root document that shows a tiger beat a lion in rome, from martials epigrams, the exact same source that says tigers always won says martial said the tiger always won, no he didnt, anyone can read and translate the epigram, it just says a scene never before saw'n a tiger with its teeth tore a lion. There are more roman artifacts that shows lions beat tigers which I already showed.

    I simply pointed out virtually all your posts show the tiger losing,not one has shown the tiger winning on any encounter .Is it wrong to point that out ?I
    never ever said you fabricated,photoshopped or twist them,your missing the point. I am simply asking why all your posts involving tigers show them losing on every encounter .
    Thats pure ********, in the lion vs tiger thread the linked I showed the tigers predation on sambar and other animals, which he kills relatively easily, I didnt link in 100s of accounts of sambar killing tigers.... tigers lost to bulls and lions have killed bulls more often, its not my fault the tiger flops against bulls or animals who fight back.
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    (Original post by Sword of Justice)
    You can find more times a cougar has killed a bear than tigers from leopards here after the lion vs bear:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=3889729




    When you use ridiculous terms like the tiger won most of the time, you need to show tangible proof, a written artifact, a painting, sculpture, engraving or any other form that stems from a roman, not someone who has no study or academics in that field of science. Only historians and archaeologist have these type of credentials to answer such questions.

    How do historians and archaelogists have credentials for questions relating to the field of zoology.So questions involving big cats such as their health and immune system should be left to archaelogists and historians ,and not zoologists ?

    Both being aware of each other and in the standard of adult in good health.



    What does that have to do with anything, just because it links somewhere doesn't mean its credible, it could lead you to a bowl of crap and you'd still call it credible. There is only one root document that shows a tiger beat a lion in rome, from martials epigrams, the exact same source that says tigers always won says martial said the tiger always won, no he didnt, anyone can read and translate the epigram, it just says a scene never before saw'n a tiger with its teeth tore a lion. There are more roman artifacts that shows lions beat tigers which I already showed.
    And which articles does it lead to that you yourself regard as crap ?
    The same Clyde Beatty you quoted earlier only referred to tigers killing lions in the case of Sultan as far as Im concerned,but he mentioned many instances of tigers killing lions.Running away from a fight DOES NOT make the tiger weaker than the lion..It is a strategy,if nothing else,tigers as with many animals dont want to risk injury getting into uneccessary fights.Clyde himself said about tigers
    “When the issue was forced upon him and there was no escape from a battle, he fought like a demon and usually won” (Page 164, Ref. 4?). [INDRAJIT.WORDPRESS.COM/BIGCATS]
    And many of your articles never say to whether it was one tiger vs one lion,or whether a group of lions just ganged up on a tiger.


    Thats pure ********, in the lion vs tiger thread the linked I showed the tigers predation on sambar and other animals, which he kills relatively easily, I didnt link in 100s of accounts of sambar killing tigers.... tigers lost to bulls and lions have killed bulls more often, its not my fault the tiger flops against bulls or animals who fight back.
    We aren`t talking about sambars and bulls,there you are again with your strawmen arguments.
    Its clear talking to you is not getting anywhere,I give up on you.You cant seem to stop giving biased accounts.
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    (Original post by Kadak)
    We aren`t talking about sambars and bulls,there you are again with your strawmen arguments.
    Its clear talking to you is not getting anywhere,I give up on you.You cant seem to stop giving biased accounts.
    What exactly is your objective, an what response do you want?

    Do you want my opinion on the tigers prowess over all, is that what you need? Hmmm, lets see...tigers, dont posses anything special compared to any other solitary predator from felids, bears, wolverines ect...they are not immune to attack from pack animals, wolves, hyenas ect. There are over 50 accounts of wild dogs killing tigers, is it because I'm bias that this had already happened? Or are... you bias... because you wanna live in a bubble that the tiger cannot lose to a 40 lb dhole pack?

    All I did was illuminate their actual prowess, you know, like how every tiger fan boy on youtube and other forums say lions are nothing, they get killed by hyenas every day, (shows no source), that bears get killed by wolves every day (shows no sources), yet want to trumpet these remarks out as if nothin contests tigers, they are the true kings of the jungle, they fear nothing, they kill bull elephants, they would slaughter a lion 10/10, these are majority of the post we all see, and most provoke this into a challenge of prowess.

    In that case, a challenge I'll illuminate. And what we see by biology notes, hunters records, and scientific journals is, the tiger is not actually what the fan boys claims, the tiger is known as one of if not the most cowardly of the apex predators, if you have a problem with that, take it up with the scientific community who actually live their lives side by side with these animals. What I dont get is if the tiger was overlord of the the apex animals, why such the desperation to over hype the tiger? The truth doesnt need to shy away from being questioned, the truth will always be the truth...and in tiger fan boys cases, its not holding up, its so bad that you all have to fake things:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=5ERNZLal0ro

    And heres the real source that said they were mating and produced one of the rare hybrid off springs:



    http://cryptozoologie.xf.cz/4_selmy/leopon.htm

    Another fake:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=5eqWZJtdhCc

    Heres the real deals:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/

    A vet checks the eye of an African lion undergoing eye surgery at a zoo in Ningbo, Zhejiang province, China...under anesthesia undergoing an eye surgery operation is held by workers at a zoo in Ningbo, Zhejiang province March 23, 2009. The 10-year-old African lion's eye was scratched during a fight with other lions at the zoo, resulting in serious granulomatosis and damage to its eyesight, Xinhua News Agency reported."
    http://mliberalguy.blogspot.com/2009...ican-lion.html


    All I'm doing is illuminating facts, if you cant handle it, then thats your problem. But dont make it out to be as if I'm bias and making things up, lying and faking things, thats the tiger fan boys job like you.

    What are you repeating straw man for? Do you even know what that means?

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=straw+man+

    Name me either or what part of any of my post were set up to be defeated? Were you talking about the puma vs bear bit? Mountain lions kill bears, whether you'd like to accept it or not, leopards have killed tigers, whether you'd like to accept it or not. And you just said I posted every animal killing a tiger, which again I didnt with sambar, and many other animals, just illuminating what are their real capability's in combat and history. Both dont uphold to the hype and over exaggerations from fan boys like you.

    If you are done, then be done, you sound incoherent at this point, no objective other than to say anyone who is against tigers not beating leopards, bears, wild dogs ect... is bias.
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    The female tiger at times can be as small as a large male leopard, and I think that adds to the fact that a male leopard stands a good chance against tiger, since he is alot faster in his movements.

    1967 tigress kills male tiger protecting her cubs george schaller
    1896 tigress kills male tiger in the london zoo and eats its body charles cornish
    1985 tigress kills male tiger S kumar sanctuary of asia volume 5
    1967 wild tiger defeats male tiger sher jung tryst with tigers
    2001 saw a fight between a tiger and tigress later found the male tigers dead body J.C daniels natraj
    1984 tigress named princess kills imported wild male bengal tiger rhode island
    1981 valmik thapar sees a tiger killed by a tigress protecting her cubs
    2001 tigress kills male cage mate in elpaso zoo
    1913 tigress kills male tiger in the wild, cinncinati enquirer
    2013 chennai tigress kills mate male white tiger
    1956 two tigresses kill male bengal named rajah cinncinati zoo
    2010 Shenzen safari park tigress kills male tiger2012 ranthambore park male tiger steals

    tigresses meal and loses fight


    There was a full moon on the night of 10 November 1981 when a tigress and two cubs appear to have been walking down the Lahpur vallet nearly 20 kilometres from Jogi Mahal. She must have spotted an adult male tiger walking the opposite direction. Indications existed of the cubs scampering away. The tigress seemed to have conintued towards the tiger then risen and gone to sit in the sandy part of a nearby stream bed. Obviously at this moment the tgiress was doing her best to be affectionate with the male and bid him a rapid farewell before any interaction was possible between him and the cubs. But it did not work. The cubs seem to have attempted scampering back to their mother, probably finding the insecurity of separation to much to take. At this moment there must have been havoc, and some incredible vocalization was even heard in a guard post some 2 kilometres away. It appears that the male moved in a flash towards the cubs, and the mother was forced to take quick action. With a leap and a bound she attacked the male from the rear, clawing his right foreleg before sinking her canines in and killing him. It was an amazing exmaple og instinctive reaction: a tgiress killing a prime male tiger to save her cubs from possible death. The make must have been caught completely by surprise and just succumbed. Later the tigress proceeded to open his rump, and eat off his hind leg. Tiger eating tiger: this was a rare example of a fatal interaction between time. https://www.google.com/search?q=the+...sible+death%22

    Tigress kills male in el paso
    http://www.kvia.com/news/Female-Tiger-Kills-Mate-at-El-Paso-Zoo/15246770

    The, tigress hurled herself upon her companion, and. seizing him by the throat, left him dead, stretched upon the crimson sand. The tigress knew he was dead.She evidently knew, too, that she would soon be dead herself, for. she was mauled beyond recognition. . As she sat there unsteadily upon tier haunches, rooted
    https://www.newspapers.com/image/531...t%2Bhim%2Bdead

    Tigress kills male whte bengal
    http://archives.deccanchronicle.com/...hite-tiger-zoo

    Two tigresses kill big male bengal named rajah
    https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/10433708/

    Tigress named Princess kills large male tiger:
    http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi...T18940104.2.22

    Tigress dominates male tiger: After the tigress realized her meal had been stolen, she laid in wait for the offending tiger to return. The Metro reports she surprised the male, then slashed him with her right paw. Seven seconds later, the tiger fight ended and--despite his larger size--the male fled.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1874552.html

    Shenzhen Safari Park happened the day before yesterday afternoon, "murder" in the region beast Valley dissipate into the atmosphere more than just being playful slapstick Bengal tiger, which one male and one female Bengal tiger self-fulfilling prophecy when playing, to become a real fight, Breeder summoned for vixen veterinary first aid, but [because the wound is too deep, where he died.Guangdong "Yangcheng Evening News"Q. Which is the fiercest fighter, the female tiger or the male? A. Female, evidently. When she has a litter, the male oftentimes tries to kill the cubs. But can't Not with her there. https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/72563963/

    A tigress in India attacked and killed a male tiger that threatened her cubshttps://books.google.com/books?id=np...=0CA0Q6AEwBDgK

    Abramov 1962 (in Schaller 1967). occasion a female killed a male toprotect her cubs and at it. These instances are not routine affairs among tigers italso reveals that male tiger have sympathy towards females but they dislike cubs
    https://www.google.com/search?q=%221996b%2C+1+1-+Abramov+1962+%28in+Schaller+196 7%29.+occasion+a+female+killed+a +male+to%22&hl=en&tbm=bks&spell= 1&oq=%221996b%2C+1+1-+Abramov+1962+%28in+Schaller+196 7%29.+occasion+a+female+killed+a +male+to%22&gs_l=heirloom-serp.3...4660.11113.0.11314.2.1. 0.1.0.0.1011.1011.7-1.1.0....0...1ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..2.0.0.ADrjGFJAyWQ

    There are instances when male Tigers have been killed by female while approaching very near the cubs.https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22There+ are+instances+when+male+Tigers+h ave+been+killed+by+female+while+ approaching+very+near+the+cubs.% 22

    The most convincing proof of this gratifying change was that a tigress, feeling hungry in the night, killed a tigerhttps://books.google.com/books?id=iOVaAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA63&dq =%22zoo%22+lion+%22killed+a+tige r%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAGo VChMI9ZX40bKLxgIVxEGSCh1L8QD-#v=onepage&q=%22zoo%22%20lion%20 %22killed%20a%20tiger%22&f=false

    (1985)Our records show the presence of groups of tigers in an area and we have found on one occasion a tigress eating a male tiger that she had killed to save her cubs from being attacked. Some of Corbett's descriptions on how a tigress teaches
    https://www.google.com/search?q=eati...+had+killed%22

    Long before dusk the tiger appeared. It was a big animal, much bigger than the pugmarks near the " kill " indicated. I was about to take a shot when I discovered two small cubs running by its side. I gave up the idea of shooting and watched them. Surely these were uninvited guests who had found a sumptuous feast. They started helping themselves with great gusto. They were in the middle of the feast when they were suddenly interrupted by the angry growls of another tiger which rushed out from behind the bushes. The tigress whipped round and faced the newcomer. For a brief minute they sized up each other with bared teeth and fearsome hisses. Then they rushed at each other, clashed and disengaged. Again they faced each other, their heads at an angle, growling and hissing all the time, stepping aside, parrying, watching and making passes. And then, in a lightning motion, the tigress pounced and knocked down her adversary. I could not see clearly what happened next, as they were partly hidden by the carcass of the buffalo. After a while the tigress stood up, and then I saw the vanquished one lying under her on its back, with its paws in the air. They remained in this position for more than a couple of minutes At the end of this brief encounter the tigress, with a final hiss, stepped aside, and the defeated adversary slunk away into the gathering shadows of the forest
    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+tigress%2C+with+ a+final+hiss%2C+stepped+aside%2C +and+the+defeated+adversary+slun k+away+into+the+gathering+shadow s+of+the+forest%22&tbm=bks&tbo=1

    The Tiger
    in India: A Natural History

    an unusual instance of a fight between a tiger and tigress, which could have been territorial or in protection of cubs. He writes: The Cachari villagers living a mile east of Jhargaon jheel, which is between three and four miles south of Rowtabagan railway station in Darrang, Assam, reported a terrific noise of tigers fighting on the night of January 30-31 last On the morning of the 31st they went to see what had happened, and in heavy grass found a dead tiger lying on its back, severely mutilated. An amphitheatre of flattened grass, about fifteen feet across showed there had been a great struggle.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+fight+between+a+ti ger+and+tigress%2C+which+could+h ave+been+territorial+or+in+prote ction+of+cubs%22+a+dead+tiger&tb m=bks&tbo=1&oq=%22a+fight+betwee n+a+tiger+and+tigress%2C+which+c ould+have+been+territorial+or+in +protection+of+cubs%22+a+dead+ti ger&gs_l=heirloom-serp.3...4889.7298.0.7718.13.2.0 .11.0.0.126.126.0j1.1.0....0...1 ac.1.34.heirloom-serp..13.0.0.s6ZPJ3QjF_g
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