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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Yes, what else is there that is plausible to actually believe in?
    That's true, I guess. Thanks for answering and you might want to check this out if you're interested http://www.amazon.com/God-Doesnt-Bel.../dp/0882709224
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    (Original post by TuppenceB)
    That's true, I guess. Thanks for answering and you might want to check this out if you're interested http://www.amazon.com/God-Doesnt-Bel.../dp/0882709224
    Hi,

    Thanks, but I'm quite familiar with these kinds of arguments, and contrary to the claims of this book, God's existence cannot be proven in any way. It was nice to read that the author has a motive to make peoples lives better from his experience with drug abusers though.
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    (Original post by Tank Girl)
    I agree with you! I like Dawkins in principle but he can be too belligerent in his argument against religion, would you agree?
    I'm an atheist and I completely agree with this but I think his belligerence is his way of making his points heard, and it certainly works! The God Delusion is a fantastic read.
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    (Original post by LC1996)
    I'm an atheist and I completely agree with this but I think his belligerence is his way of making his points heard, and it certainly works! The God Delusion is a fantastic read.
    Very true, and I do like how steadfast he is in the face of religious backlash and how he doesn't shy away from difficult subjects. (Especially around children and religion and religious schools)

    The God Delusion is undoubtedly a fantastic book! But- as I've always been an atheist I guess it was just preaching to the choir, as it were. I'd like it if religious people read it also- everyone should always be questioning their own beliefs imo.
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    (Original post by TuppenceB)
    That's true, I guess. Thanks for answering and you might want to check this out if you're interested http://www.amazon.com/God-Doesnt-Bel.../dp/0882709224
    I can't help but remember Ray Comforts misunderstanding of the banana. I guess the question is whether I can take Ray Comfort seriously.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    I can't help but remember Ray Comforts misunderstanding of the banana. I guess the question is whether I can take Ray Comfort seriously.
    Tell me more about this....
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    (Original post by chemting)
    Anyone heard of "Atheism +" ?
    Yeah, everyone's heard of cancer.
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    (Original post by Tank Girl)
    Very true, and I do like how steadfast he is in the face of religious backlash and how he doesn't shy away from difficult subjects. (Especially around children and religion and religious schools)

    The God Delusion is undoubtedly a fantastic book! But- as I've always been an atheist I guess it was just preaching to the choir, as it were. I'd like it if religious people read it also- everyone should always be questioning their own beliefs imo.
    I love how blunt he is, it's like he says in the first few chapters, why is it that people are allowed to make reasoned arguments and critisims about people's food tastes, music, fashion etc but as soon as we use reasoned critisicms against their religious beliefs it's suddenly 'disrespectful'.
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    (Original post by Tank Girl)
    Very true, and I do like how steadfast he is in the face of religious backlash and how he doesn't shy away from difficult subjects. (Especially around children and religion and religious schools)

    The God Delusion is undoubtedly a fantastic book! But- as I've always been an atheist I guess it was just preaching to the choir, as it were. I'd like it if religious people read it also- everyone should always be questioning their own beliefs imo.

    Can we also talk about the way that theists talk to/treat Dawkins? With ridicule, with an aim to humiliate him...just down right rude.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Can we also talk about the way that theists talk to/treat Dawkins? With ridicule, with an aim to humiliate him...just down right rude.
    I don't know if you are aware of what recently happened to Richard Dawkins. It was despicable. There is a cancer in the atheism community.
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    (Original post by chemting)
    I don't know if you are aware of what recently happened to Richard Dawkins. It was despicable. There is a cancer in the atheism community.
    I know he suffered a stroke, tell me more.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    Can we also talk about the way that theists talk to/treat Dawkins? With ridicule, with an aim to humiliate him...just down right rude.
    It is very rude! Often attacking him as a person and not his beliefs (for instance this article)

    However what I find even more frustrating is when fellow atheists hate on him- like c'mon people we should all be supporting each other! This article is a good example of it. Fair enough- you can't blindly agree with Dawkins just because he's an atheist and so are you, but I do feel like some times he gets unfairly targeted.
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    (Original post by Tank Girl)
    It is very rude! Often attacking him as a person and not his beliefs (for instance this article)

    However what I find even more frustrating is when fellow atheists hate on him- like c'mon people we should all be supporting each other! This article is a good example of it. Fair enough- you can't blindly agree with Dawkins just because he's an atheist and so are you, but I do feel like some times he gets unfairly targeted.
    I think it's because of his success, these articles sound a little bit like bitterness no?

    I just don't know why so many religious people actually have the audacity to try and frame him as stupid....
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    (Original post by Tank Girl)
    It is very rude! Often attacking him as a person and not his beliefs (for instance this article)

    However what I find even more frustrating is when fellow atheists hate on him- like c'mon people we should all be supporting each other! This article is a good example of it. Fair enough- you can't blindly agree with Dawkins just because he's an atheist and so are you, but I do feel like some times he gets unfairly targeted.
    To be honest, if you are vocal in expressing your opinion, you have to expect people to criticise you. I remember when I first joined TSR, I was at that time a Christian, and I made a post about religion. Someone then sent me a message saying "Jesus is a goat licker, stick that up your religion hole!" No matter what side of the debate you are on, you will receive criticisms, some fair and some that are rather puerile and not so pleasant.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    To be honest, if you are vocal in expressing your opinion, you have to expect people to criticise you. I remember when I first joined TSR, I was at that time a Christian, and I made a post about religion. Someone then sent me a message saying "Jesus is a goat licker, stick that up your religion hole!" No matter what side of the debate you are on, you will receive criticisms, some fair and some that are rather puerile and not so pleasant.
    Sadly this is true, but I don't think it should be like that! I guess its especially difficult with religion as its so personal to individuals. It's sometimes too difficult to separate the person from their belief, so by attacking a person's belief you implicitly attack them.


    Also- I'm sorry that someone said that to you! I hope they got banned
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    To be honest, if you are vocal in expressing your opinion, you have to expect people to criticise you. I remember when I first joined TSR, I was at that time a Christian, and I made a post about religion. Someone then sent me a message saying "Jesus is a goat licker, stick that up your religion hole!" No matter what side of the debate you are on, you will receive criticisms, some fair and some that are rather puerile and not so pleasant.
    Ah yes I had this experience as well. At the time of joining I was an agnostic theist and my first thread was about religion and there a few troll posts. :lol:

    Even if you're on the non existent third side/middle ground you'll still get criticism.
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    (Original post by gallen62)
    I think its annoying how atheists always slate religions by mocking. However you very rarely hear religious people slating atheists. Its almost like atheists care more about the "comedic" side to religion rather than actually expressing their view.
    PS go and watch Richard Dawkins ted talk and you will see what i mean.
    I think partly is because religion is highly threatening, at its most extreme forms.
    That is why people get heated against religion. I know that is why I do.
    People should do more than just accept things at face value... with doing so the cause of most of humanities problems.
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    "non-existent third side"

    couldn't help get that one in eh

    still not non-existent no matter what you say ... Silly girl

    agnostic checking out
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    (Original post by Scrappy-coco)
    I agree. Science assumes the truth of mathematical truths like arithmetic and logical truths like the law of contradiction. It also has to assume the reality of the external world, among other assumptions.

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    That point is irrelevant. Every single one of use makes those assumptions every moment of our lives. We can't actually prove that anything exists - including ourselves. We all just assume it does.

    (Original post by HumzaAsad97)
    Results for what?! Empiricism is used to gain knowledge. Science argues that this knowledge is true. But the tool to search for this knowledge/truth is purely faith based. Surely this is equivalent to religious beliefs of God. Religion argues that it provides knowledge which is true. But the belief of God is faith based.

    So understanding and knowledge of anything is based purely on faith. What is then the distinction between science and religion?
    Science doesn't argue that this knowledge is true. Doing so is just as unscientific as religion. Science acknowledges that we don't and will never know the absolute truth, but that we can at least get closer and closer to it. That's the distinction. Science and atheism are the honest approaches, religion just makes up a story and then claims it is true. The whole backbone of science is a complete lack of faith in anything. We don't have faith in our equipment no matter how accurate it is, because it will always produce slight errors in the results. We don't trust our theories because we can only base them on what we currently know. We don't trust what we currently know because we know that it's an approximation of the truth. The list goes on for quite a while.
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    (Original post by Racoon)
    They don't keep changing their interpretations. The bible is a revelation of God, unfolding.
    The bible has been translated countless times, and edited extensively over the years. For example the KJV was translated by a carefully selected group of academics with an allegiance to the King, he gave them rules to follow in their translating. The translation was authorised and directed by King James for political reasons. This translation was written as a result of one man's political motives and desire to keep a particular hierarchy of power.

    Again, you show yourself to be incredibly ignorant.
 
 
 
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