White House: ISIS extermination of Christians can’t be called genocide yet Watch

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The Obama administration says Islamic State’s persecution of Christian minorities in Iraq and Syria is not genocide. The point where it is accurate to term it as such “has not been reached,” White House spokesman Josh Earnest said at a press briefing.


Asked whether Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) is practicing genocide in its extermination of Christians in Syria and Iraq, Earnest said: “My understanding is the use of that word involves a very specific legal determination that has at this point not been reached.


“We have long expressed our concerns with the tendency of – well, not a tendency – a tactic employed by ISIL to slaughter religious minorities in Iraq and in Syria,” he added.


“But we have been quite candid and direct exactly about how ISIL’s tactics are worthy of the kind of international, robust response that the international community is leading. And those tactics include a willingness to target religious minorities, including Christians.”


The 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, says genocide is “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group,” including by means of “killing members of the group.”


In March 2015, a report from the United Nations Committee on Human Rights stated: “The acts of violence [by IS in Iraq and Syria] perpetrated against civilians because of their affiliation or perceived affiliation to an ethnic or religious group … may constitute genocide.”


According to a European Parliament resolution adopted in April 2015, “Christians are the most persecuted religious group; whereas extremism and persecution of this nature is emerging as a significant factor in the growing phenomenon of mass migration; whereas according to data the number of Christians killed every year is more than 150,000.”

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He is 100% correct. Under IS rule as long as they pay Jizya and don't take up arms they can live in peace and go about their lives as normal. Not genocide by any means
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I'd quite like to know exactly what the definition is based on.

How ISIS treats various minorities in areas they control certainly resembles genocide - persecution, murder (including mass executions), forced displacement of entire communities, etc. Is it something to do with numbers involved maybe?
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I'd quite like to know exactly what the definition is based on.

How ISIS treats various minorities in areas they control certainly resembles genocide - persecution, murder (including mass executions), forced displacement of entire communities, etc. Is it something to do with numbers involved maybe?
The definition.

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/genocide.html

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**** Isis **** Jizya. at least Mr Trump will not pussy foot around these perverts.
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Interesting how Russia cares more about this than America. Who rules America?
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Interesting how Russia cares more about this than America. Who rules America?
Well given that Russia are doing most of their bombing in areas that ISIS don't even operate and that the guy in OP's statement (and this point reflects badly on you as well OP) conceded that ISIS's actions were cause for intervention you're clearly talking out of your arse.
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Interesting how Russia cares more about this than America. Who rules America?
The US has been bombing ISIS for far longer than Russia has. Russia's intervention started because Assad's forces lost ground to various rebels over spring-summer 2015, and their intervention is still primarily focused on non-ISIS rebels (which do include jihadists, but not ISIS). The US bombing started after ISIS' offensive in northern Iraq in summer 2014 and Kobane from late September that year.

Since Russia's intervention started, Russian air strikes have helped the Syrian army gain ground against ISIS east of Aleppo. But the Syrian army-ISIS frontline is mostly unchangd everywhere else. US air strikes have resulted in far more ground being taken by the YPG and allies during that same time period (at Al Hawl, South Hassakeh, Tishrin dam, Shaddadi, etc)
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Tell that to the massacred Yazidi people, other religious minorities murdered because of their faith/culture, and the innumerable forced converts

Genocide is acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group”. Self-evidently genocide
This posts speak specifically of christains though who ISIS are not commiting genocide against. They can live in peace under them providing they pay Jizya. As I said before that does not fit the definition of genocide
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This is offensive to me as an Arab Christian
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vs. "abduction of Yazidi women and massacres of at least 5,000 Yazidi civilians". What planet are you on? :confused:
As I said this is speaking specifically about Christians not Yazidis.
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He is 100% correct. Under IS rule as long as they pay Jizya and don't take up arms they can live in peace and go about their lives as normal. Not genocide by any means
this is simply untrue, christians are persecuted regardless of whether or not they pay the so-called 'christian tax'
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At least they are being consistent. They killed a couple of million women and children in Iraq recently and didn't call it genocide. They give military aid to a terrorist state to try and kill even more Palestinians in the civil wars of Palestine, and don't call their actions genocide. Numbers don't matter. ISIS has no intention to eliminate the Christians (People of the Book unlike the Yazidis) if they pay Jizya; "Israel" has no intention to destroy the Palestinians if they agree to live as subjects to an occupation.
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If Trump is elected I'm certain he will make a close ally of Putin which will be far more beneficial than the current America/UK alliance.
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At least they are being consistent. They killed a couple of million women and children in Iraq recently and didn't call it genocide. They give military aid to a terrorist state to try and kill even more Palestinians in the civil wars of Palestine, and don't call their actions genocide. Numbers don't matter. ISIS has no intention to eliminate the Christians (People of the Book unlike the Yazidis) if they pay Jizya; "Israel" has no intention to destroy the Palestinians if they agree to live as subjects to an occupation.
They didn't kill a couple of million people in Iraq. Please give evidence for this nonsensical assertion.
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(Original post by Sciatic)
At least they are being consistent. They killed a couple of million women and children in Iraq recently and didn't call it genocide. They give military aid to a terrorist state to try and kill even more Palestinians in the civil wars of Palestine, and don't call their actions genocide. Numbers don't matter. ISIS has no intention to eliminate the Christians (People of the Book unlike the Yazidis) if they pay Jizya; "Israel" has no intention to destroy the Palestinians if they agree to live as subjects to an occupation.
What about the poor Yazidis?
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They didn't kill a couple of million people in Iraq. Please give evidence for this nonsensical assertion.
A couple of millions people were killed in Iraq after the invasion, so naturally these highly intelligent, definitely not inbred intellectuals blame America, ignoring the smallprint that most of them were killed because at the first sign of disorder the Sunnis thought, 'No leader, I can kill Shias' and the Shias thought, 'No leader, I can kill Sunnis'
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A couple of millions people were killed in Iraq after the invasion, so naturally these highly intelligent, definitely not inbred intellectuals blame America, ignoring the smallprint that most of them were killed because at the first sign of disorder the Sunnis thought, 'No leader, I can kill Shias' and the Shias thought, 'No leader, I can kill Sunnis'
Exactly.
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He is 100% correct. Under IS rule as long as they pay Jizya and don't take up arms they can live in peace and go about their lives as normal. Not genocide by any means
You're an annoying troll. Go away please.
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Sorry but your English isn't the best so it's hard to comprehend quite what you were saying. Yazidis are regarded as ostensively Christian by ISIS fighters and, regardless, if you look at the definition of genocide it need not apply on the basis of Christianity, or religion, even. The actions of ISIS with regard to the Yazidi community represents a concerted effort to eliminate them, in (large) part = genocide
I will put this to you simply, Yazidis are pagans so indeed will be killed by ISIS. However Christians which the OP specifically referred to would not so there is clearly not a genocide against them whatever your opinions on religious tax.
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