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How to deal with fake qualifications
Good day,
Ok, I'm stuck in a situation that I haven't experienced before and hopefully you could help me with.
Just recently, I've found out that a very close friend has used a fake degree to gain employment at a local firm I work at. I'm completely against the use of fake qualifications and it would normally be a clear cut case if it had been anyone else; however, this is a friend I have grown up with from nursery and who has difficulties throughout his life in regards to his parents, etc.
I was hoping that the company would find out by themselves that the qualification was fake, but some how he has passed through the whole process and has been offered a position. I don't want to be the person who 'ratted' him out, but I can't think of anyway of convincing him to give it up before he is caught.
What advice can you give me for handling this?
Also, how is it possible that the company didn't find out he had a fake qualification? Do they not do validation checks, etc or ask for some kind of data sheet from the Uni?
Hopefully I can convince him to stop flaunting it and using it for employment before he gets in serious trouble and ruins any chances he has for gaining employment in the future.
Thanks
Jimbo
Ok, I'm stuck in a situation that I haven't experienced before and hopefully you could help me with.
Just recently, I've found out that a very close friend has used a fake degree to gain employment at a local firm I work at. I'm completely against the use of fake qualifications and it would normally be a clear cut case if it had been anyone else; however, this is a friend I have grown up with from nursery and who has difficulties throughout his life in regards to his parents, etc.
I was hoping that the company would find out by themselves that the qualification was fake, but some how he has passed through the whole process and has been offered a position. I don't want to be the person who 'ratted' him out, but I can't think of anyway of convincing him to give it up before he is caught.
What advice can you give me for handling this?
Also, how is it possible that the company didn't find out he had a fake qualification? Do they not do validation checks, etc or ask for some kind of data sheet from the Uni?
Hopefully I can convince him to stop flaunting it and using it for employment before he gets in serious trouble and ruins any chances he has for gaining employment in the future.
Thanks
Jimbo
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If it was a non-graduate job his 'fake' degree boosted his chances.
GJimbo
Good day,
Ok, I'm stuck in a situation that I haven't experienced before and hopefully you could help me with.
Just recently, I've found out that a very close friend has used a fake degree to gain employment at a local firm I work at. I'm completely against the use of fake qualifications and it would normally be a clear cut case if it had been anyone else; however, this is a friend I have grown up with from nursery and who has difficulties throughout his life in regards to his parents, etc.
I was hoping that the company would find out by themselves that the qualification was fake, but some how he has passed through the whole process and has been offered a position. I don't want to be the person who 'ratted' him out, but I can't think of anyway of convincing him to give it up before he is caught.
What advice can you give me for handling this?
Also, how is it possible that the company didn't find out he had a fake qualification? Do they not do validation checks, etc or ask for some kind of data sheet from the Uni?
Hopefully I can convince him to stop flaunting it and using it for employment before he gets in serious trouble and ruins any chances he has for gaining employment in the future.
Thanks
Jimbo
Ok, I'm stuck in a situation that I haven't experienced before and hopefully you could help me with.
Just recently, I've found out that a very close friend has used a fake degree to gain employment at a local firm I work at. I'm completely against the use of fake qualifications and it would normally be a clear cut case if it had been anyone else; however, this is a friend I have grown up with from nursery and who has difficulties throughout his life in regards to his parents, etc.
I was hoping that the company would find out by themselves that the qualification was fake, but some how he has passed through the whole process and has been offered a position. I don't want to be the person who 'ratted' him out, but I can't think of anyway of convincing him to give it up before he is caught.
What advice can you give me for handling this?
Also, how is it possible that the company didn't find out he had a fake qualification? Do they not do validation checks, etc or ask for some kind of data sheet from the Uni?
Hopefully I can convince him to stop flaunting it and using it for employment before he gets in serious trouble and ruins any chances he has for gaining employment in the future.
Thanks
Jimbo
Many companies do not bother checking up on qualifications at all. I have in the past been offered and have taken several fairly senior jobs without ever being asked to produce a shred of proof over the qualifications claimed on my CV. Whether a company checks up or not often depends on how important it is to have a degree to do that job and as a degree today is merely the modern standard "must have" for employment that 4 O levels were 20 years ago I think fewer and fewer employers will be spending much time validating.
Anyway, I understand your angst over your friend's phony degree. Difficult one. What do you think you should do?
I wouldnt agree with what he was doing in the sense that id never do it myself but in all seriousness I wouldnt say anything.
Firstly if the company dont bother to check up on it- its their mistake really and will teach them a lesson for the future.
Secondly if hes not going to be employed in a position where his lack of a degree could mean causing harm to people then Id leave it.
If its a job where his degree is essential and could result in harm thats when you say something.
You never know he might be perfectly capable of the job and the lack of a degree may not end up being relevant or a problem.
If it really really bothers you, speak to him about it- but dont drop him in it. Im sure there are quite a few people out there who blag their way through jobs, or make up/exaggerate qualifications. That doesnt make it ok, but he is your friend give him a chance
Firstly if the company dont bother to check up on it- its their mistake really and will teach them a lesson for the future.
Secondly if hes not going to be employed in a position where his lack of a degree could mean causing harm to people then Id leave it.
If its a job where his degree is essential and could result in harm thats when you say something.
You never know he might be perfectly capable of the job and the lack of a degree may not end up being relevant or a problem.
If it really really bothers you, speak to him about it- but dont drop him in it. Im sure there are quite a few people out there who blag their way through jobs, or make up/exaggerate qualifications. That doesnt make it ok, but he is your friend give him a chance
Anyother person and I would drop a hint to someone to look in to it, however, because he's my best friend, all I can do is warn him about the circumstances if he gets caught.
The reason why it concerns me is that it is a highly competitive position, where such qualifications will certainly gain you the position. This means that some people without the necessary skills could fake their way in to it and displace someone who deserves the job more.
So it's simply down to the company not doing any checks?
Do companies not ask for proof of the qualification?
The reason why it concerns me is that it is a highly competitive position, where such qualifications will certainly gain you the position. This means that some people without the necessary skills could fake their way in to it and displace someone who deserves the job more.
So it's simply down to the company not doing any checks?
Do companies not ask for proof of the qualification?
GJimbo
Anyother person and I would drop a hint to someone to look in to it, however, because he's my best friend, all I can do is warn him about the circumstances if he gets caught.
The reason why it concerns me is that it is a highly competitive position, where such qualifications will certainly gain you the position. This means that some people without the necessary skills could fake their way in to it and displace someone who deserves the job more.
So it's simply down to the company not doing any checks?
Do companies not ask for proof of the qualification?
The reason why it concerns me is that it is a highly competitive position, where such qualifications will certainly gain you the position. This means that some people without the necessary skills could fake their way in to it and displace someone who deserves the job more.
So it's simply down to the company not doing any checks?
Do companies not ask for proof of the qualification?
But surely if he doesn't have the necessary skills he'll get ****canned anyway?
I wouldn;t say anything if he was my best friend.
You say firm, what kind of firm? If its a non essential job (i.e not saving lives) then I would just leave it - if he can do the job without a degree then that is fine.
But you say you would dob anyone/everyone else in - so if you have such high moral standards then maybe you should dob him in...
You say firm, what kind of firm? If its a non essential job (i.e not saving lives) then I would just leave it - if he can do the job without a degree then that is fine.
But you say you would dob anyone/everyone else in - so if you have such high moral standards then maybe you should dob him in...
GJimbo
It's an accountancy firm and he has been accepted on a trainee, so it isn't saving lives.
He has some knowledge from a few books he read just before the interview.
He has some knowledge from a few books he read just before the interview.
I would just leave it then.....
Didn;t they even want to see a certificate? What sorta of size firm is it? HR dept needs a good talking to it seems
What do you have to gain from telling someone, as long as you have warned him your job is done unless you are prepard for the consequences of ratting him out. I can see how your annoyed about it, afterall, why do w work so hard to get a degree if someone can just fake it and take the jobs we want? But thats just how it is, it'l never change.
How far into the job are you? as stupid as it sounds some companies dont check until you have already started.
a company that has 700 employees (and deffo an acocuntancy company) sounds liek it should have a pretty big HR dept checking these things
As Cortez says, unelss he gets picked up on knowledge gaps and doesnt get foudn out by HR there is little reason why he cannot get trained properly liek everyone else..
a company that has 700 employees (and deffo an acocuntancy company) sounds liek it should have a pretty big HR dept checking these things
As Cortez says, unelss he gets picked up on knowledge gaps and doesnt get foudn out by HR there is little reason why he cannot get trained properly liek everyone else..
I guess I'm just shocked and dumb founded that people can get away with it in this day and age. As mentioned, how can something get away with spending 5 minutes online purchasing a degree cert be able to take a job of someone who has actually done 3-4 years at Uni?
How common is this?
How common is this?
GJimbo
I guess I'm just shocked and dumb founded that people can get away with it in this day and age. As mentioned, how can something get away with spending 5 minutes online purchasing a degree cert be able to take a job of someone who has actually done 3-4 years at Uni?
How common is this?
How common is this?
Lying on CVs is fairly common but on different levels.
Can you expand a bit mroe on how he said he got his degree? Did he just buy a fake certificate of a UK uni online? Has he been asked to show the certificate yet?
GJimbo
I guess I'm just shocked and dumb founded that people can get away with it in this day and age. As mentioned, how can something get away with spending 5 minutes online purchasing a degree cert be able to take a job of someone who has actually done 3-4 years at Uni?
How common is this?
How common is this?
Quite common. Innovative people do just as well as 'qualified' people in my experience, if not better.
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