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    You're not exactly giving socialists a good name here mate.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    You're not exactly giving socialists a good name here mate.
    all other socialists are wrong im the only true socialist
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    (Original post by Sisuphos)
    Capitalism is the best but it doesn't reward the ones who work hard (thank god) it rewards those who satisfy market demand most effectively.

    You can work as a peasant in China and that would be really hard, back-breaking work. You won't be paid **** though because you won't be able to produce much to satisfy enough people. Rather, a Canadian farmer with a truck and modern tools, will destroy you by producing 100 times as much as you do with minimal effort (compared to you).
    Wow. Someone who thinks capitalism is the bees knees but also acknowledges how unfair it is in terms of who does the work and how the reward is shared for that work. Also you can add the Chinese workers who made your computer to that. They are cogs that produce a product that satisfies no end of people. It's just that the reward for producing your iphones is siphoned off from the people who make them. So you still don't get it fully get how unfair it all is.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Wow. Someone who thinks capitalism is the bees knees but also acknowledges how unfair it is in terms of who does the work and how the reward is shared for that work. Also you can add the Chinese workers who made your computer to that. They are cogs that produce a product that satisfies no end of people. It's just that the reward for producing your iphones is siphoned off from the people who make them. So you still don't get it fully get how unfair it all is.
    Needs one more edit, methinks.
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    (Original post by Hydeman)
    Needs one more edit, methinks.
    I'm dyslexic methinks.

    "
    A person with dyslexia may:
    • read and write very slowly
    • confuse the order of letters in words
    • put letters the wrong way round – such as writing "b" instead of "d"
    • have poor or inconsistent spelling
    • understand information when told verbally, but have difficulty with information that's written down
    • find it hard to carry out a sequence of directions
    • struggle with planning and organisation
    "
    http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Dyslexi...roduction.aspx

    I do that with words in sentences and end up repeating myself and getting muddled up.


    I already edited it as it is. Sometimes it slips through. It is still obvious what I was saying to anyone with a brain.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    It is still obvious what I was saying to anyone with a brain.
    Let's not get too personal, Butterfly. I was just pointing it out.

    And you wonder how you got ignore-listed... :moon:
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Wow. Someone who thinks capitalism is the bees knees but also acknowledges how unfair it is in terms of who does the work and how the reward is shared for that work. Also you can add the Chinese workers who made your computer to that. They are cogs that produce a product that satisfies no end of people. It's just that the reward for producing your iphones is siphoned off from the people who make them. So you still don't get it fully get how unfair it all is.
    I think people are thinking too short term.

    I think in the next 30 years things are going to change economically massively.

    Throughout history the rich have always needed the poor to create their wealth through labour.

    However automation is going to change this, it isn't if it's when. When will the tipping point come? Already 1/3 of all retail jobs in the uk will disappear within 9 years for example.

    Eventually we will end up with few people working and move to a citizens income and it won't be 500 a month like you see in examples around the world it will have to be enough for a middle class lifestyle.

    This to me means one of two things.

    Either international tax rates set at an extremely high level of 90% plus to pay for it or state ownership of companies so a universal income is paid that way.

    Essentially so sort of communism.

    I'm not some loony lefty I'm Thatcherite but I simply can't see another way to pay for the future


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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Wow. Someone who thinks capitalism is the bees knees but also acknowledges how unfair it is in terms of who does the work and how the reward is shared for that work. Also you can add the Chinese workers who made your computer to that. They are cogs that produce a product that satisfies no end of people. It's just that the reward for producing your iphones is siphoned off from the people who make them. So you still don't get it fully get how unfair it all is.
    The discussion on fairness is a huge one, we can get into it without condescending phrases like "So you still don't get it fully get how unfair it all is.".

    You also misunderstood my point. Capitalism does not necessarily reward hard work. It rewards productivity (in the best case, ideal scenarios btw).

    That is not to say that it doesn't reward hard work at all. Productivity usually does come about as a result of hard work. You need to be intelligent, creative, committed, punctual, etc (depending on your area of work) to be productive. It doesn't happen magically. But my point was that even if you weren't those things and somehow you could be productive without having cultivated any of those skills, you would still get rewarded (because capitalism rewards productivity)

    The problem with the examples that you mention is that Chinese workers assembling a laptop is not equivalent to Chinese workers making it. I am not a business expert but businesses have every incentive to monitor their worker's contribution to the final product and attempt to reward each according to their marginal contributions.

    I'm not saying it's an easy thing to do but I'm definitely questioning that the bulk or a substantial value added to the computer in production is by the line worker.
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    Tory isn't an insult


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