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    Why is gentrification such a dirty word?

    Doesn't everyone aspire to become affluent?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Why is gentrification such a dirty word?

    Doesn't everyone aspire to become affluent?
    Yeah. I know it has bad effects on previous communities but I think it's dirty whenever you're affected negatively by it and not positively. Essentially if you've been priced out of property because of gentrification or forced to relocate you're going to have a negative view of it compared to somebody who used to live in the area when it was **** and still lives there now when it's better however they can afford to live there.
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    Sales is **** trust me, I have to deal with sales and business development managers (AKA salesman) every day.

    Also requires a lot of travelling.

    I'd go into something a lot of stimulating. I want to move into something Economics based because that's what my degree is in and i like Maths and forecasting etc.



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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Why is gentrification such a dirty word?

    Doesn't everyone aspire to become affluent?
    for me, it seems like a real problem, thats mislabeled.*

    *When I hear people complaining about the gentrification of an area, their main complaints seem to be that 1, it prices people out of renting houses there, and 2, it ruins the community.*

    Neither of these are particularly due to a raising level of affluence though. Any huge increase in demand will raise the price of rent, all be it possibly not as fast as an increase of richer people.. and any large influx of new people will alter the community they are entering, whether they are poor or rich. Dump 200 poor chinese people into a london community, and it will look quite different in a year or twos time, even though they are certainly not responsible for gentrification. **

    I can understand why people don't like it.. even though the name for me is scapegoating the wealthy for what is merely a normal problem caused by people moving around. Its always been the case in society that the working class areas have some of the strongest senses of community. Far more so then the more cut-off isolated middle and upper classes. For a number of reasons though, including 'gentrification', this seems to be declining these days. Which is a disaster for them as without much else, a strong sense of community and family is one of the only things they have and can take true pride in.

    Its also for me worth noting the positives to gentrification. If you are a home-owner in that area, then its amazing for the value of your property.. even if that is not weatlh you can easily access.. its still there for the future. Its also pretty good for employment and bringing wealth and investment into an area that was otherwise failing beforehand. *
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Yeah. I know it has bad effects on previous communities but I think it's dirty whenever you're affected negatively by it and not positively. Essentially if you've been priced out of property because of gentrification or forced to relocate you're going to have a negative view of it compared to somebody who used to live in the area when it was **** and still lives there now when it's better however they can afford to live there.
    I think it's the sense of self-entitlement that annoys me. Unless you've bought the house and therefore have a right to live there, how can you argue that you have more of a claim to a place just because you rent there? You're giving rent in exchange for the temporary right to live there until your tenancy ends.

    Let's not forget we live in a capitalist society (which despises communism). The right to stay in a community without factoring in money or supply/demand just screams of socialism or favour one set of people over another.

    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    for me, it seems like a real problem, thats mislabeled.*

    *When I hear people complaining about the gentrification of an area, their main complaints seem to be that 1, it prices people out of renting houses there, and 2, it ruins the community.*

    Neither of these are particularly due to a raising level of affluence though. Any huge increase in demand will raise the price of rent, all be it possibly not as fast as an increase of richer people.. and any large influx of new people will alter the community they are entering, whether they are poor or rich. Dump 200 poor chinese people into a london community, and it will look quite different in a year or twos time, even though they are certainly not responsible for gentrification. **

    I can understand why people don't like it.. even though the name for me is scapegoating the wealthy for what is merely a normal problem caused by people moving around. Its always been the case in society that the working class areas have some of the strongest senses of community. Far more so then the more cut-off isolated middle and upper classes. For a number of reasons though, including 'gentrification', this seems to be declining these days. Which is a disaster for them as without much else, a strong sense of community and family is one of the only things they have and can take true pride in.

    Its also for me worth noting the positives to gentrification. If you are a home-owner in that area, then its amazing for the value of your property.. even if that is not weatlh you can easily access.. its still there for the future. Its also pretty good for employment and bringing wealth and investment into an area that was otherwise failing beforehand. *
    So go help build a new community somewhere else? Why should you get to live somewhere cheaply when there is high demand and someone else has worked hard to be in a position to be able to offer more than you?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Why is gentrification such a dirty word?

    Doesn't everyone aspire to become affluent?
    Isn't it more the effects of gentrification. People moving to a certain area because of the feel that area has or the culture associated with that area, but in doing they affect the market destroying that feel or culture by pushing people out via price rises. Like a small coastal community people like it so they buy a holiday home, but when enough people to it, the prices rise so high you need a London salary to live there. Locals can't buy and the community feel is gone because there a fewer locals and lots of homes which are empty for 7-8 months of the year.

    Read something about similar happening to San Fransisco. It's cool hipsters reputation comes from the arts. Silicon Valley tech liked the atmosphere and the association, but massive tech wages have driven living costs through the roof, so it's now experiencing an art drain as lower wage artists can't afford to live there anymore.

    I guess it's dirty because it's not about an area becoming affluent it's about people, business and culture being pushed out by economic forces.


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    (Original post by ClockEnderAFC)
    I've been back at school for nearly a month and my sleeping pattern is still f*cked. I sleep at 1 AM, get back home, sleep till about 8/9 PM. And repeat.

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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Isn't it more the effects of gentrification. People moving to a certain area because of the feel that area has or the culture associated with that area, but in doing they affect the market destroying that feel or culture by pushing people out via price rises. Like a small coastal community people like it so they buy a holiday home, but when enough people to it, the prices rise so high you need a London salary to live there. Locals can't buy and the community feel is gone because there a fewer locals and lots of homes which are empty for 7-8 months of the year.

    Read something about similar happening to San Fransisco. It's cool hipsters reputation comes from the arts. Silicon Valley tech liked the atmosphere and the association, but massive tech wages have driven living costs through the roof, so it's now experiencing an art drain as lower wage artists can't afford to live there anymore.

    I guess it's dirty because it's not about an area becoming affluent it's about people, business and culture being pushed out by economic forces.

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    That might be the issue for those who move in (having overpaid for something but now different) but frankly those who complain are the ones who get pushed out in the first place.

    I guess it's similar to premier league football match tickets where the locals want it to stay cheap so they can keep the atmosphere/keep going whereas others are willing to pay more to go.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    So go help build a new community somewhere else? Why should you get to live somewhere cheaply when there is high demand and someone else has worked hard to be in a position to be able to offer more than you?
    Not everyone has had the opportunity to be on a high paying wage, its hard enough to get a job outside a main city let alone a high paying one. It's hard not to feel done by when you are forced to move out from an area which you have been living in for years and have attachments to.

    Yh good luck moving to another place, only to be priced out again...
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Not everyone has had the opportunity to be on a high paying wage, its hard enough to get a job outside a main city let alone a high paying one. It's hard not to feel done by when you are forced to move out from an area which you have been living in for years and have attachments to.

    Yh good luck moving to another place, only to be priced out again...
    And so you have to learn to settle for what is affordable within your means? I'd love to be able to buy a Ferrari like a Sheik's son but that's not the cards I've been dealt with in life.

    The flip side of it is - why don't others have any right to move into that area? One person being entitled to stay means another is stopped from that opportunity? Who's to say those staying actually contribute or improve that community?

    Seems people want a capitalist society until it doesn't benefit them and then it's all about the socialise.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    And so you have to learn to settle for what is affordable within your means? I'd love to be able to buy a Ferrari like a Sheik's son but that's not the cards I've been dealt with in life.

    The flip side of it is - why don't others have any right to move into that area? One person being entitled to stay means another is stopped from that opportunity? Who's to say those staying actually contribute or improve that community?

    Seems people want a capitalist society until it doesn't benefit them and then it's all about the socialise.
    We are not talking about luxury goods here which always have been expensive. We are talking about basic needs which people have already learned to affordably live with but now is being taken away from them. It's not about who has the right to move in or out, its about people just being ****ed over and hence why they are complaining.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    We are not talking about luxury goods here which always have been expensive. We are talking about basic needs which people have already learned to affordably live but now is being taken away from them. It's not about who has the right to move in or out, its about people just being ****ed over and hence why they are complaining.
    A basic need is having a roof over your head - not having a house in your personal desired location at below market rate because you have some sort of entitlement.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    A basic need is having a roof over your head - not having a house in your personal desired location at below market rate because you have some sort of entitlement.
    What if that house may be the only one affordable for you to live in?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Seems people want a capitalist society until it doesn't benefit them and then it's all about the socialise.
    Its not binary, just becuase people don't want to surrender the concept of private property doesn't mean that they want unchecked capitalism.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    What if that house may be the only one affordable for you to live in?
    If someone else is willing to pay more than you can afford, then it's not affordable?

    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Its not binary, just becuase people don't want to surrender the concept of private property doesn't mean that they want unchecked capitalism.
    They want the concept of private property when they can take advantage of it and then housing controls which have socialist elements when they can't take advantage of private property.

    I guess those being pushed out will always complain the loudest.
 
 
 
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