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    So, according to the SPLC the KKK grew from 72 to 190 chapters last year. (I don't know what the SPLC means by chapter in Klan terms - completely new Klan groups or new klaverns of existing groups but that's not important) That's an increase of 264%. The SPLC seems to be of the opinion that much of this growth has resulted from pro-battle flag rallies that took place after S Carolina removed it from the State Capitol. Seems to be the law of unintended consequences at play.

    Interesting to note that despite the growth in the number of chapters, the KKK haven't increased in terms of % of hate groups. In fact they're down a bit at 21% from 20% 5 and 10 years ago. Black separatist groups now make up the same % of the "hate group community" as the KKK. Presumably this is a result of much publicised white (police) killing of blacks and the rise of the Black Lives Matter groups.

    Anyway. I'm not making a statement here. I just thought this was interesting reading. I wonder whether the UK and other parts of the west (particularly Europe dealing with the current refugee crisis) is seeing a similar expansion of these types of groups.

    Debate/discuss if you feel so inclined. If not make yourself a nice cup of tea and try and build a mini stone henge out of bourbon biscuits instead.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-and-extremism
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    (Original post by Howard)
    So, according to the SPLC the KKK grew from 72 to 190 chapters last year. (I don't know what the SPLC means by chapter in Klan terms - completely new Klan groups or new klaverns of existing groups but that's not important) That's an increase of 264%. The SPLC seems to be of the opinion that much of this growth has resulted from pro-battle flag rallies that took place after S Carolina removed it from the State Capitol. Seems to be the law of unintended consequences at play.

    Interesting to note that despite the growth in the number of chapters, the KKK haven't increased in terms of % of hate groups. In fact they're down a bit at 21% from 20% 5 and 10 years ago. Black separatist groups now make up the same % of the "hate group community" as the KKK. Presumably this is a result of much publicised white (police) killing of blacks and the rise of the Black Lives Matter groups.

    Anyway. I'm not making a statement here. I just thought this was interesting reading. I wonder whether the UK and other parts of the west (particularly Europe dealing with the current refugee crisis) is seeing a similar expansion of these types of groups.

    Debate/discuss if you feel so inclined. If not make yourself a nice cup of tea and try and build a mini stone henge out of bourbon biscuits instead.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-and-extremism
    Its an increase of 164%, not 264%
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    Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?
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    Populations are becoming increasingly polarised in the West as inter-cultural relations worsen, unfortunately. There has been a fairly sharp rise in support for/curiosity concerning far right groups like Britain First in the UK, but nothing like what we're seeing on the continent :erm:
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    Unsurprising really, when the education and university system in America, and much of the mainstream media is now dominated by poisonous, social justice rhetoric.They tell non-white people that they are perpetual victims, and they tell white people that they are basically Satan incarnate, and then they wonder why people on both sides become marginalised and fall into extremist movements.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?
    Yes in fact.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?
    I don't think so. If it were it would be illegal but it isn't an illegal organization; neither is being a member illegal.
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    (Original post by Feel Tha Bern)
    Yes in fact.
    Not according to Mark Pitcavage of the Anti Defamation League. He writes:

    "I am simplifying a bit, but basically the only ways that the United States "designates" any groups or movements as terrorist organizations are through the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), and, to a lesser degree, through Executive Order 13224 (designed to impede terrorist funding). The INA allows the State Department to designate groups as international terrorist organizations; there are also other related provisions in the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989. Other laws allow the State Department to designate state sponsors of terrorism. Thus for the U.S. even to be able to designate a domestic extremist group as a terrorist organization, a new law would have to be passed to authorize that.........."

    Accordingly the KKK is not a terrorist organization within the current meaning of the law.

    Actually, there are a number of other practical reasons why the KKK isn't designated terrorist (including the fact that there is no such thing as a single KKK; rather there are many Klans that are independent of one another; most of which are not violently engaged) Good article on it here if you're interested in learning more:

    http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/n...sts-hate-group
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    (Original post by Death Grips)
    Its an increase of 164%, not 264%
    Yup. My bad.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    So, according to the SPLC the KKK grew from 72 to 190 chapters last year. (I don't know what the SPLC means by chapter in Klan terms - completely new Klan groups or new klaverns of existing groups but that's not important) That's an increase of 264%. The SPLC seems to be of the opinion that much of this growth has resulted from pro-battle flag rallies that took place after S Carolina removed it from the State Capitol. Seems to be the law of unintended consequences at play.

    Interesting to note that despite the growth in the number of chapters, the KKK haven't increased in terms of % of hate groups. In fact they're down a bit at 21% from 20% 5 and 10 years ago. Black separatist groups now make up the same % of the "hate group community" as the KKK. Presumably this is a result of much publicised white (police) killing of blacks and the rise of the Black Lives Matter groups.

    Anyway. I'm not making a statement here. I just thought this was interesting reading. I wonder whether the UK and other parts of the west (particularly Europe dealing with the current refugee crisis) is seeing a similar expansion of these types of groups.

    Debate/discuss if you feel so inclined. If not make yourself a nice cup of tea and try and build a mini stone henge out of bourbon biscuits instead.

    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...-and-extremism
    Black Lives Matter! :turban:
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    Black Lives Matter! :turban:
    don't think most blacks got the memo. Quit killing each other and you'll be taken seriously.
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Populations are becoming increasingly polarised in the West as inter-cultural relations worsen, unfortunately. There has been a fairly sharp rise in support for/curiosity concerning far right groups like Britain First in the UK, but nothing like what we're seeing on the continent :erm:
    Britain first have now made terrorist threats against our new mayor just because he's a muslim. They should also be put on the terrorist watch list for inciting racial hatred and violence
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Britain first have now made terrorist threats against our new mayor just because he's a muslim
    They've threatened 'direct action, which they specialise in' e.g. more of the same provocative PR stunt targeting that they've done to date

    They should also be put on the terrorist watch list for inciting racial hatred and violence
    If they incite hatred and violence then I completely agree. Inviting criticism, and inciting fear/discontent is not the same thing, however

    This Britain First group appears to have more than it's fair share of uneducated, bigoted/xenophobic asshats, but I'm afraid they are right that there is a strategy of entryism and subversion by stealth going on, often orchestrated by (Salafist) Islamists* within British communities (see trojan horse scandal and gender segregated mainstream political meetings attended by leading MPs at the last election, FYR)

    This almost certainly does not apply in the case of Sadiq Khan but whether conspiracy or not if you understand the tennets of Islam, primacy of Allah, and single interpretation/alarming and extreme norms/values of the majority of Muslims, then having a Muslim in public office is undesirable, and having one with connections to Islamism and radical extremist Islamists is extremely unsettling

    I cannot, and shall never, recognise the office of such a 'leader' and whilst I would not turn my back on the mayor, I cannot acknowledge his authority and will never be ruled by a Muslim any more than I will by a subscriber to any other ideology I deem to be e.g. retrograde, divisive, oppressive, violent, monopolistic and quasi-totalitarian/fascistic, so help me God. My forbears died, and suffered, fighting tooth and nail to keep us free and by God I will not insult their memory, or demean their sacrifice e.g. out of a desire to

    • Appease a fallacious sense of 'one world' progressivism

    • Be seen to be progressive i.e. ivory tower/NIMBY champagne socialists/leftie pseudo-liberals)

    • Quell misplaced post-colonial/holocaust guilt/horror

    • Embrace an arbitrary love of diversity without condition/avoid resolving cognitive dissonance et. disarray with regard to the paradox of tolerance

    I do not agree with the tactics of Britain First, and have little in common with their supporters; I find both to be uncouth. Someone has to make a stand, however, which is why I support the core message of PEGIDA, and am sticking my head above the parapet in posting like this. I do this not because I hate anyone, far from it – as you know, I am a pluralist who has only love for humanity; that is precisely why I feel the need to speak out, as someone who has a broad understanding of processes affecting relevant human interrelations within a number of interrelated domains

    It may endanger myself/my family to say this but the fact is, (history tells us that) Saudi Arabia is no friend of the West/human progress and Islam(ism) has no (sustainable) place outside of the Muslim world. The population of Europe is now alive to these facts, the question is: when will the elites accept this and how can we deal with the cultural, social, political, and economic issues that The Clash of Civilisations poses in an ethical/sustainable way, in the context of millions of Muslims now living in our midst. If the rest of the population of Europe fail to engage, and the elites fail to act, then the only alternative I can envisage is that groups like Britain First/AfD/FPÖ, and demagogues like Trump, come to the fore and we have widescale social unrest, race riots, and possibly race war/civil war in certain flashpoints

    * Probably operating in conjunction with the fairly exhaustive strategic efforts by The House of Saud (Saudi Arabia, KSA) to seed their favoured blend of Wahhabism throughout the West (see history of mosque building) and interference in Western domestic/foreign affairs - notably, 9/11)
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    They've threatened 'direct action, which they specialise in' e.g. more of the same provocative PR stunt targeting that they've done to date

    If they incite hatred and violence then I completely agree. Inviting criticism, and inciting fear/discontent is not the same thing, however

    This Britain First group appears to have more than it's fair share of uneducated, bigoted/xenophobic asshats, but I'm afraid they are right that there is a strategy of entryism and subversion by stealth going on, often orchestrated by (Salafist) Islamists* within British communities (see trojan horse scandal and gender segregated mainstream political meetings attended by leading MPs at the last election, FYR)

    This almost certainly does not apply in the case of Sadiq Khan but whether conspiracy or not if you understand the tennets of Islam, primacy of Allah, and single interpretation/alarming and extreme norms/values of the majority of Muslims, then having a Muslim in public office is undesirable, and having one with connections to Islamism and radical extremist Islamists is extremely unsettling

    I cannot, and shall never, recognise the office of such a 'leader' and whilst I would not turn my back on the mayor, I cannot acknowledge his authority and will never be ruled by a Muslim any more than I will by a subscriber to any other ideology I deem to be e.g. retrograde, divisive, oppressive, violent, monopolistic and quasi-totalitarian/fascistic, so help me God. My forbears died, and suffered, fighting tooth and nail to keep us free and by God I will not insult their memory, or demean their sacrifice e.g. out of a desire to

    • Appease a fallacious sense of 'one world' progressivism

    • Be seen to be progressive i.e. ivory tower/NIMBY champagne socialists/leftie pseudo-liberals)

    • Quell misplaced post-colonial/holocaust guilt/horror

    • Embrace an arbitrary love of diversity without condition/avoid resolving cognitive dissonance et. disarray with regard to the paradox of tolerance

    I do not agree with the tactics of Britain First, and have little in common with their supporters; I find both to be uncouth. Someone has to make a stand, however, which is why I support the core message of PEGIDA, and am sticking my head above the parapet in posting like this. I do this not because I hate anyone, far from it – as you know, I am a pluralist who has only love for humanity; that is precisely why I feel the need to speak out, as someone armed with a great deal of knowledge/understanding of human interrelations and psychology

    It may endanger myself/my family to say this but the fact is, (history tells us that) Saudi Arabia is no friend of the West and Islam(ism) has no (sustainable) place outside of the Muslim world. The population of Europe is now alive to these facts, the question is: when will the elites accept this and how can we deal with the cultural, social, political, and economic problems that The Clash of Civilisations poses in an ethical/sustainable way in the context of millions of Muslims now living among us. If the rest of the population of Europe fail to engage, and the elites fail to act, then the only alternatives I can see is that groups like Britain First/AfD/FPÖ, and demagogues like Trump, come to the fore and we have widescale social unrest, race riots, and possibly race war/civil war in certain flashpoints

    * Probably operating in conjunction with the fairly exhaustive strategic efforts by The House of Saud (Saudi Arabia, KSA) to seed their favoured blend of Wahhabism throughout the West (see history of mosque building) and interference in Western domestic/foreign affairs - notably, 9/11)
    :gasp:

    I do not support hate groups like Britain first or pegida. There's a reason that Khan is out new mayor and not goldsmith. We,the Londoners,do not tolerate any type of division or a person trying to cause racial or religious tensions within our communities. Instead,we chose unity. Britain first and groups like pegida can get angry all they like but as time goes on,we will continue to see members of ethnic minorities getting into positions of power. I think Britain first are butt hurt that there's an Asian first and first most and not a white guy as our mayor and second of all they have an issue with his religion. Do they seriously think he's going to run London based on Shariah law?! What are people afraid exactly?
    Surely we need more people like Khan who have excelled and achieved a lot in life,plus isn't he a moderate Muslim? I'm okay with people of different religions and colours living together harmoniously,I welcome it. I just don't like this new culture of intolerance and hatred,makes me sad especially when I think about my mother's family. I just think to myself,imagine if I was born and lived in Syria all my life and was just attempting to flee the conflict and the struggle we would have to go through to get to the west and be met with racism and hatred. Would you have been accepting of me and my family then?

    Okay I understand and I know humans don't really like change. However,with the migrant crisis and the way Europe is going at the moment,you can't expect things to return to how they once were. There will most likely be more immigrant and/or migrant settling into the UK and integrating and this changing aspects and influencing British society,and I hope it'll be in a positive manner. It's better to unite than to be divided,I say and I do support multiculralism as you well know. It is what makes London the great, diverse city that it is. Incomparable to other cities across the UK.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I do not support hate groups like Britain first or pegida
    What makes you think PEGIDA is a hate group?

    There's a reason that Khan is out new mayor and not goldsmith
    Actually there are several, top ones including anti-Tory sentiment, lack of Boris-like personality, and the demographics of London (young, multicultural, and economically unequal)

    We, the Londoners, do not tolerate any type of division or a person trying to cause racial or religious tensions within our communities
    Good to know you feel that way, but unfortunately you only need to visit parts of e.g. East/South London to see division and ethno-cultural tension is a (particularly unpalatable and depressing) fact of life. Tensions within communities are minimal, but tensions between them are at an all time high. Realtalk

    we will continue to see members of ethnic minorities getting into positions of power
    Indeed we shall, and generally speaking this is a sign of progress and to be encouraged. Everyone in society who has the best interests of the British/Western people, and subscribes to our norms, values, and way of life (Judeo-Christian in their basis), is not only invited, but expected, to engage politically, and to seek to better society insofar as they are able

    I think Britain first are butt hurt
    No doubt, hence turning their backs on Mr. Khan (puerile)

    What are people afraid exactly?
    Please see the post your are quoting, and the links within it, for a finer appreciation of what people are afraid of. Their fears are legitimate, and to seek to delegitimise them is to play into the hands of extremists on both sides

    It's better to unite than to be divided
    If you follow this premise through to its natural conclusion using game theory then we all end up living under a European caliphate :erm:

    I say and I do support multiculturalism
    Without condition?

    It is what makes London the great, diverse city that it is
    It certainly is an integral part of what makes London the city it is,* if not the only thing
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    What makes you think PEGIDA is a hate group?

    Actually there are several, top ones including anti-Tory sentiment, lack of Boris-like personality, and the demographics of London (young, multicultural, and economically unequal)

    Good to know you feel that way, but unfortunately you only need to visit parts of e.g. East/South London to see division and ethno-cultural tension is a (particularly unpalatable and depressing) fact of life. Tensions within communities are minimal, but tensions between them are at an all time high. Realtalk

    Indeed we shall, and generally speaking this is a sign of progress and to be encouraged. Everyone in society who has the best interests of the British/Western people, and subscribes to our norms, values, and way of life (Judeo-Christian in their basis), is not only invited, but expected, to engage politically, and to seek to better society insofar as they are able

    No doubt, hence turning their backs on Mr. Khan (puerile)

    Please see the post your are quoting, and the links within it, for a finer appreciation of what people are afraid of. Their fears are legitimate, and to seek to delegitimise them is to play into the hands of extremists on both sides

    If you follow this premise through to its natural conclusion using game theory then we all end up living under a European caliphate. Think before you speak

    Without condition?

    It certainly is an integral part of what makes London the city it is,* if not the only thing
    I've seen their campaigns and marches. Very depressing indeed

    So what about Muslims,Jews and other non Christian faith groups? Are they not allowed to engage politically?

    A Europe caliphate is something I would expect to hear about on Fox News,let's talk about the real world. Muslims are still a minority here in the UK and Europe.

    Nope. With certain conditions Ofcourse!

    Aye,you of all people should have been able to appreciate it as a fellow Londoner and the relationships you've formed from people and mostly women from different types of racial backgrounds
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Is the KKK classified as a terrorist organisation?
    Strictly speaking there's no single KKK any more, just various different Klan groups, some of whom have connections but some of whom don't.

    Most Klan groups are legal organisations as they're usually too small and insignificant to do much. Some past Klan groups have been proscribed or prosecuted to the point of destruction (iirc I think one of David Duke's Klans was proscribed in this way), but when they are they're generally classed as criminal organisations rather than terrorist groups.

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    Strictly speaking there's no single KKK any more, just various different Klan groups, some of whom have connections but some of whom don't.

    Most Klan groups are legal organisations as they're usually too small and insignificant to do much. Some past Klan groups have been proscribed or prosecuted to the point of destruction (iirc I think one of David Duke's Klans was proscribed in this way), but when they are they're generally classed as criminal organisations rather than terrorist groups.

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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    I've seen their campaigns and marches. Very depressing indeed
    You've seen hate preaching e.g. at UK PEGIDA marches?

    So what about Muslims, Jews and other non Christian faith groups? Are they not allowed to engage politically?
    It's not a matter of what's allowed, it's a matter of whether I recognise them should they manage to command any authority. I would not recognise Zionist extremists, or radical Christian fundamentalists either, would be preposterous!

    A Europe caliphate is something I would expect to hear about on Fox News, let's talk about the real world
    Not sure you understood my point

    With certain conditions Of course!
    Good, should hope so too!

    Aye,you of all people should have been able to appreciate it as a fellow Londoner and the relationships you've formed from people and mostly women from different types of racial backgrounds
    Indeed I do, but I am aware of the folly/dangers in tolerating the intolerant/intolerable :yy:
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    Who cares, the KKK are almost universally socially subpar, inbred, mentally inept hillbillies who just dance around a burning cross [pretty sure thats offensive to jesus but oh well] dressed like caspar getting drunk whilst rogering their sisters and brothers.. They have always been nobodys, they are nobodys and shall remain so.
 
 
 
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