bernie sanders is not a socialist

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mangala
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he does not support nationalisation, and his policies will still be built on american imperialism
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I would class him more as a social democrat.
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He's not in favour of a socially planned economy or even in favour of nationalising the so-called "commanding heights" of the economy as some social democrats wanted to do a few decades ago (and Corbynite-style social democrats probably still want to do).

He's clearly a mild, centre-left social democrat. Dunno what the fuss is about.

I don't agree with his economic policies at all but he's honest about what he wants and more importantly he has principles and believes in them. The opposite of Hilary.
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(Original post by Sisuphos)
I don't agree with his economic policies at all but he's honest about what he wants and more importantly he has principles and believes in them. The opposite of Hilary.
Indeed, but he's not part of the establishment and therefore scares people. Hillary is more of a conservative than any GOP candidates, and quite honestly, Sanders would probably do more for feminism than Hillary. But alas, far too many in America vote based on 'likeability'.
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(Original post by Sisuphos)
He's not in favour of a socially planned economy or even in favour of nationalising the so-called "commanding heights" of the economy as some social democrats wanted to do a few decades ago (and Corbynite-style social democrats probably still want to do).

He's clearly a mild, centre-left social democrat. Dunno what the fuss is about.

I don't agree with his economic policies at all but he's honest about what he wants and more importantly he has principles and believes in them. The opposite of Hilary.
America is so right wing though, that even a mild left centre-left social democratic is portrayed as some Stalin loving lunatic.
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America is so right wing though, that even a mild left centre-left social democratic is portrayed as some Stalin loving lunatic.
I don't believe that America is "so right-wing". I believe certain political labels like socialist are taken to mean something very radical and authoritarian partly because it could be interpreted in a radical way (Leninist, Stalinist, etc) but partly because the media have demonised these terms for such a long time that it's impossible to have a rational discussion about it. Socialist = bad. Period.

When it comes to specific policies though, Americans are more or less on the same page as we are. They favour nationalised healthcare, protectionist trade policies, relatively extensive employee rights, social security, government spending on infrastructure and even deficit spending to reverse recessions (as seen in the gigantic bailouts of 08 and the tripling? of deficit in 09 as a result of that). The whole social democratic shebang. Maybe they'd be less enthusiastic about some policies like nationalisation of industries but on the whole, they wouldn't be that different I think. All this is definitely open to debate and interpretation but I think we differ very little.

Where we do differ is that they don't want to hear that those policies can be called socialist. They prefer "progressive" or "liberal" which is what Hilary usually calls herself afaik. But it's really a nominal issue. I mean, reformist socialists used to be called social democrats (revolutionary socialists were either anarchists or communists but reformist socialists were good ol' social democrats) so it's not unimaginable to call yourself a socialist especially a democratic socialist (Sanders uses that term I think)
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no true socialist
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he does not support nationalisation, and his policies will still be built on american imperialism
You do know that nationalisation is not socialism either?
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not sure why this is in UK Politics ? :dontknow:
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How is Sanders an imperialist?
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no true socialist
How is what the OP said a fallacy?
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How is what the OP said a fallacy?
"he wouldn't be a true socialist (a subjective aspect of a given "socialist" country regarding the outcome of socio-economic equality) if he didn't want to national industry~"
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