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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Tbf I think a lot of it does stem from his internationalism and pacifism, e.g. wanting rid of nukes and wanting to give the Falklands to Argentina, but the British public has been so brainwashed by neoliberalism that in most cases they're very sceptical of socialism. I get that from personal experience more than anything else.
    I think Labour needs a stronger person leading the party, possibly John McDonnell or even Hilary Benn, they seem like men who could be Prime Minister.
    Miliband didn't get in because the public, myself included, didn't think he looked like a man who could be prime minister.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Corbyn is very unpopular with the general public though, and Sanders adheres to probably the mildest form of socialism you can get.
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    If it can even be called socialism at all.
    Sanders is a social democrat, he's not even as far left as Corbyn. He's basically the American Charles Kennedy.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Sanders is a social democrat, he's not even as far left as Corbyn. He's basically the American Charles Kennedy.
    Exactly. It is a shame that their politics has such a right-wing focus that he's seen as some kind of radical.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Exactly. It is a shame that their politics has such a right-wing focus that he's seen as some kind of radical.
    He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is effectively a social democrat.
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    (Original post by Helfus)
    Best of luck to all candidates, especially those standing up for British conservatism.
    *socialism
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    He calls himself a democratic socialist, which is effectively a social democrat.
    You mean that by only in the US, right?
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    You mean that by only in the US, right?
    No, even Ed Miliband. Called himself a democratic socialist, but was effectively a social democrat

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    No, even Ed Miliband. Called himself a democratic socialist, but was effectively a social democrat

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    Ach that was just Miliband and his Blairite-lite policies.
    Democratic socialists range from centre-left to far-left in my experience. Trotskyists are sometimes included as demo socs.


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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Ach that was just Miliband and his Blairite-lite policies.
    Democratic socialists range from centre-left to far-left in my experience. Trotskyists are sometimes included as demo socs.


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    Trotskyism isn't anything to do with democratic socialism.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Trotskyism isn't anything to do with democratic socialism.
    It's considered a type of democratic socialism on the far left - by some. It's technically not because it's a form of Marxism.

    Democratic socialism is not specifically revolutionary or reformist, as many types of democratic socialism can fall into either category, with some centre-left forms overlapping with social democracy, supporting reforms within capitalism as a prelude to the establishment of socialism.
    Some forms of democratic socialism accept social democratic reformism to gradually convert the capitalist economy to a socialist one using pre-existing democratic institutions, while other forms are revolutionary in their and advocate for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and the transformation of the capitalist economy to a socialist economy.


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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    I think Labour needs a stronger person leading the party, possibly John McDonnell or even Hilary Benn, they seem like men who could be Prime Minister.
    Miliband didn't get in because the public, myself included, didn't think he looked like a man who could be prime minister.
    I don't think someone who has had multiple heart attacks, is disliked by the PLP and is seen as an IRA supporter by some would be seen as much more Prime Ministerial (although I would likely back him in a leadership bid if Corbyn couldn't run but John could). Hilary Benn wouldn't get the support of the membership imo. Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis are the two I would look at, Cat Smith as well but her seat is marginal sadly
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    (Original post by Kay_Winters)
    I don't think someone who has had multiple heart attacks, is disliked by the PLP and is seen as an IRA supporter by some would be seen as much more Prime Ministerial (although I would likely back him in a leadership bid if Corbyn couldn't run but John could). Hilary Benn wouldn't get the support of the membership imo. Lisa Nandy and Clive Lewis are the two I would look at, Cat Smith as well but her seat is marginal sadly
    Mmm yes, the problem I see is that the leadership candidates in the Labour election didn't look like they could be a PM - if you look at successful-ish recent PMs like Cameron, Blair, Major, they have an air of authority, confidence and the like about them. Hilary Benn has all of those things. Alan Johnson looks like he could be, but I'm not too fond of him.
    Nandy, Lewis and Smith are all far too young in my honest opinion - the only strong young MP I can recall would be Bernadette Devlin, but that was years back and she wasn't a Labour member
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Mmm yes, the problem I see is that the leadership candidates in the Labour election didn't look like they could be a PM - if you look at successful-ish recent PMs like Cameron, Blair, Major, they have an air of authority, confidence and the like about them. Hilary Benn has all of those things. Alan Johnson looks like he could be, but I'm not too fond of him.
    Nandy, Lewis and Smith are all far too young in my honest opinion - the only strong young MP I can recall would be Bernadette Devlin, but that was years back and she wasn't a Labour member
    In my defense I am thinking in about four/five years time, not in the next year or so. I do agree I don't think we've had anyone stand to be leader who could win, but then again I think that is a remainder oh how Blair led the Party.

    I would also say, to address your other points, Alan Johnson has missed his chance, Bernadette Devlin isn't a name I know so I might look her up, and finally from everything I know at the time Major was a complete surprise, going from a bit of a nobody in Government to Chancellor then Leader/PM in the space of about a year, and his election record is very odd, both the leader of a party to get the most votes in a GE ever, but also leader who oversaw one o the tory's worse losses ever
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    So RayApparently do we get any updates on the by-election process so far e.g. which parties have put forward candidates etc.?



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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    So RayApparently do we get any updates on the by-election process so far e.g. which parties have put forward candidates etc.?

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    The Speaker can't divulge such stuff until the deadline but there's nothing stopping you from asking the parties.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    So RayApparently do we get any updates on the by-election process so far e.g. which parties have put forward candidates etc.?



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    I'm afraid Labour will probably not want to release their plans until the deadline. This might be the same for other parties as well.
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    Given recent events I'd be surprised if UKIP has a candidate to actually nominate.

    I do hope that the Nat libs stand so we can get a sense of what sort of support they have.
    Then we will definitely see Con and Lab and hopefully Soc too.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Given recent events I'd be surprised if UKIP has a candidate to actually nominate.

    I do hope that the Nat libs stand so we can get a sense of what sort of support they have.
    Then we will definitely see Con and Lab and hopefully Soc too.
    I agree that it would be nice to see the National Liberals be more active than they currently are. I also would like to see the Socialists grow as a party.
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    I hope that whomever stands and whomever is elected will support Green proposals put before the House.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I hope that whomever stands and whomever is elected will support Green proposals put before the House.
    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I agree that it would be nice to see the National Liberals be more active than they currently are. I also would like to see the Socialists grow as a party.
    I think it's the matter of getting the masses of people who use TSR just for gossip into politics - it's not anywhere near as boring as they think

    BL you can be sure that a soc will support any green proposals put before the house!

    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The Speaker can't divulge such stuff until the deadline but there's nothing stopping you from asking the parties.
    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    I'm afraid Labour will probably not want to release their plans until the deadline. This might be the same for other parties as well.
    Fair enough - was just wondering since there was sod all put up yesterday
 
 
 
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