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    (Original post by Kates David)
    (Original post by IAmNero)
    Actually I would disagree. The burden of risk remains the fault of the victim. I would not walk down a dark alley at night because I don't want to get mugged. Similarly if they do the same then they are INCREASING the risk of rape.With being mugged its different because you are walking down an alley.

    With rape, people blame it on the clothes or that the girl was drinking. This is different because it is something which is part of the person. Me walking into a bad neighbourhood at night isn't going to end up well and I accept that. However, if I were to do standard activities just like my mail counterparts and get raped then it was my fault and I should've been more careful.

    If you walk into a bad neighbourhood with your iPhone out and flashing it, then expect it to get stolen. However, if you go out and drink to have fun and you get attacked and raped, it is different because its something normal that shouldn't have such consequences. People get raped also when they are sober so what does that say about the ' burden of risk'? Do we have to stop living alltogether. And do women need to lock themselves at home every Friday night and fully cover themselves when it is 30C.

    It is never the girls fault if she`s raped, not under any circumstance of it happening to her. Iphones should have the tracking ap and been worn to the wrist, like a watch, with built in panic alarm Girls are best escorted by two men, not a single guy, and one on each side of her.
    He never said it was the girls fault.

    Men are more likely to be the victim of violent crime.

    So being robbed you accept that the victim could of done things to minimise the risk but with rape you fail to see how someone can minimise the risk.

    Men can be victims of rape as well which you seem to fail to actually understand.

    He has not said it is ever a victims fault just that they can minimise the risk.

    As has been established it is a small minority who blame it on clothes or drinking and society doesn't accept them saying those things.

    Please if you reply to this use the reply button and quote it and just make it easier for the person you are communicating with to see your point
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    Actually I would disagree. The burden of risk remains the fault of the victim. I would not walk down a dark alley at night because I don't want to get mugged. Similarly if they do the same then they are INCREASING the risk of rape.
    I don't think that logic is consistent with the majority of rape cases. What increases an individuals risk of being raped? How can a person know what will increase their risk of being raped? Most rapes happen in the most unconventional circumstances. If someone gets raped, whilst with a friend, in a children's park in broad daylight, what did they do to increase their risk of being raped? Should they have stayed home?
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    Rape culture? Not sure. But rapes always exist.

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    I set my posts up in the way that I believe is best, as should you yourselves, but it takes but seconds to ignore them. If you find nothing of interest there then ignore them, but if there is something of interest to you then discuss it. It might just be that Mad`s experiences are helping other girls that have been treated the same way, and it`s them that I`m trying to get to, perhaps already am? Open your minds, there`s more than one approach to communication here, and to follow the observations one requires the source, in my view.
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    (Original post by Kates David)
    (Original post by IAmNero)
    Actually I would disagree. The burden of risk remains the fault of the victim. I would not walk down a dark alley at night because I don't want to get mugged. Similarly if they do the same then they are INCREASING the risk ofrape.With being mugged its different because you are walking down an alley.

    With rape, people blame it on the clothes or that the girl was drinking. This is different because it is something which is part of the person. Me walking into a bad neighbourhood at night isn't going to end up well and I accept that. However, if I were to do standard activities just like my mail counterparts and get raped then it was my fault and I should've been more careful.




    If you walk into a bad neighbourhood with your iPhone out and flashing it, then expect it to get stolen. However, if you go out and drink to have fun and you get attacked and raped, it is different because its something normal that shouldn't have such consequences. People get raped also when they are sober so what does that say about the ' burden of risk'? Do we have to stop living alltogether. And do women need to lock themselves at home every Friday night and fully cover themselves when it is 30C.

    It is never the girls fault if she`s raped, not under any circumstance of it happening to her. Iphones should have the tracking ap and been worn to the wrist, like a watch, with built in panic alarm Girls are best escorted by two men, not a single guy, and one on each side of her.He never said it was the girls fault.

    Men are more likely to be the victim of violent crime.

    So being robbed you accept that the victim could of done things to minimise the risk but with rape you fail to see how someone can minimise the risk.

    Men can be victims of rape as well which you seem to fail to actually understand.

    He has not said it is ever a victims fault just that they can minimise the risk.

    As has been established it is a small minority who blame it on clothes or drinking and society doesn't accept them saying those things.

    Please if you reply to this use the reply button and quote it and just make it easier for the person you are communicating with to see your point

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    We are not discussing violent crime.
    Yes, obviously men can rape men, but I`m not writing a book here, and rape on females still counts as a contribution.
    Exactly the same as with murder, It is never the fault of the victim, and of course the risk can be reduced. Fault and risk are two totally different concepts.
    What people openly blame for incidents has little importance, it`s what they blame locked up inside of them, and what they are at their core, this is what makes the difference. It is seldom what people reveal, or for that matter even suggest of themselves to the world. Surveys in this regard are useless other than if the questions are perhaps totally indirect.
    Most males blame it on the girl, when she is scantily dressed but it matters not whether most males will concede to this.in the presence of females.
    Girls are at the highest risk of rape within their own peer group. They have a feeling of false security there however, and this only serves to increase the incidents of their rape.
    Girls that kiss their male friends are at heightened risk.

    Blaming the victim is totally vile, and it`s what psychopaths do, it`s also why so many victims go on to kill themselves. My LA friend being a case in point. Those that blame the girl are members of the same group that join in raping her.
    Those that blame the girl for her rape also blame the girl for her murder, not that on occasion having been raped that some girls would n`t prefer to be dead.

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    (Original post by lahorizon)
    With being mugged its different because you are walking down an alley.

    With rape, people blame it on the clothes or that the girl was drinking. This is different because it is something which is part of the person. Me walking into a bad neighbourhood at night isn't going to end up well and I accept that. However, if I were to do standard activities just like my mail counterparts and get raped then it was my fault and I should've been more careful.

    If you walk into a bad neighbourhood with your iPhone out and flashing it, then expect it to get stolen. However, if you go out and drink to have fun and you get attacked and raped, it is different because its something normal that shouldn't have such consequences. People get raped also when they are sober so what does that say about the ' burden of risk'? Do we have to stop living alltogether. And do women need to lock themselves at home every Friday night and fully cover themselves when it is 30C.
    (Original post by Kates David)
    (Original post by IAmNero)
    Actually I would disagree. The burden of risk remains the fault of the victim. I would not walk down a dark alley at night because I don't want to get mugged. Similarly if they do the same then they are INCREASING the risk of rape.With being mugged its different because you are walking down an alley.

    With rape, people blame it on the clothes or that the girl was drinking. This is different because it is something which is part of the person. Me walking into a bad neighbourhood at night isn't going to end up well and I accept that. However, if I were to do standard activities just like my mail counterparts and get raped then it was my fault and I should've been more careful.

    If you walk into a bad neighbourhood with your iPhone out and flashing it, then expect it to get stolen. However, if you go out and drink to have fun and you get attacked and raped, it is different because its something normal that shouldn't have such consequences. People get raped also when they are sober so what does that say about the ' burden of risk'? Do we have to stop living alltogether. And do women need to lock themselves at home every Friday night and fully cover themselves when it is 30C.

    It is never the girls fault if she`s raped, not under any circumstance of it happening to her. Iphones should have the tracking ap and been worn to the wrist, like a watch, with built in panic alarm Girls are best escorted by two men, not a single guy, and one on each side of her.
    So you have both said exactly what I expected. I didn't say it is the burden of fault, I said the burden of risk. These are completely different things.

    Let me ask you this, do you think that women should go out and not take any safety precautions?
    I might as well say, I will take the locks off my door because I shouldn't need to keep myself safe.

    And lahorizon if you cannot even spell MALE properly, do you think you are even qualified to argue this?
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    So you have both said exactly what I expected. I didn't say it is the burden of fault, I said the burden of risk. These are completely different things.

    Let me ask you this, do you think that women should go out and not take any safety precautions?
    I might as well say, I will take the locks off my door because I shouldn't need to keep myself safe.

    And lahorizon if you cannot even spell MALE properly, do you think you are even qualified to argue this?
    I wrote that quite late but don't worry about me, I can spell male. It doesn't weaken my argument but wouldn't you love it if it did....

    I definitely think that everyone has to take precautions when they go outside but I believe that in regards to things that can reasonably be controlled. For example, taking out your phone in a bad neighbourhood. However, with an activity such as drinking which is enjoyed by almost all university aged men in this country without most of them worrying about not making it back safe, why can't women drink and also have fun. If you're saying the burden of risk is on the person, then are you also suggesting women should just not drink and should always be covered. I would love to know what your suggestions are for women who worry about being raped. What should they do to prevent it?
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    So you have both said exactly what I expected. I didn't say it is the burden of fault, I said the burden of risk. These are completely different things.

    Let me ask you this, do you think that women should go out and not take any safety precautions?
    I might as well say, I will take the locks off my door because I shouldn't need to keep myself safe.

    And lahorizon if you cannot even spell MALE properly, do you think you are even qualified to argue this?
    No, with that change of subject, yes, I totally agree. In the ideal world they would be able to, and they 100% should be able to. At the end of the day they don`t rape themselves - Leaving one`s door open is n`t a significant freedom exercised, but not being able to dress attractively is an enormous freedom lost. We need to be exacting in our points, as generalizations totally hedge the actual issues. Many men unwittingly do this for exactly this reason, to avoid the issues. Another strategy to watch for is switching the gender context.

    Of course she can spell male properly, we make mistakes, so don`t be so mindless, and she may well be far better qualified than many of those that are "qualified" - Underlying truths/individuals realities are totally unaware of somebodies pieces of paper. Only those at the pit face are in a position to judge as to whom is best qualified in their real world. You really do require to move beyond playing with word combinations here. The subject matter is far too serious for such antics.

    I apol. for how I`ve been posting. My excuse is that I considered Mad`s experiences sufficiently important that I should address everybody/the world. When girls can identify it generally reduces their suffering somewhat, because they feel less isolated. My intention has been an honorable one.

    One can steal without being a narcissistic violent psychopath, and men for the full duration of this act, rape, certainly always are.

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    (Original post by Kates David)
    No, with that change of subject, yes, I totally agree. In the ideal world they would be able to, and they 100% should be able to. At the end of the day they don`t rape themselves - Leaving one`s door open is n`t a significant freedom exercised, but not being able to dress attractively is an enormous freedom lost. We need to be exacting in our points, as generalizations totally hedge the actual issues. Many men unwittingly do this for exactly this reason, to avoid the issues. Another strategy to watch for is switching the gender context.

    Of course she can spell male properly, we make mistakes, so don`t be so mindless, and she may well be far better qualified than many of those that are "qualified" - Underlying truths/individuals realities are totally unaware of somebodies pieces of paper. Only those at the pit face are in a position to judge as to whom is best qualified in their real world. You really do require to move beyond playing with word combinations here. The subject matter is far too serious for such antics.

    I apol. for how I`ve been posting. My excuse is that I considered Mad`s experiences sufficiently important that I should address everybody/the world. When girls can identify it generally reduces their suffering somewhat, because they feel less isolated. My intention has been an honorable one.
    You've missed my point completely. You have to use other contexts in order to make a point, that is debate 101!
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    (Original post by Kates David;63352237[u)
    ]I set my posts up in the way that I believe is best, as should you yourselves[/u], but it takes but seconds to ignore them. If you find nothing of interest there then ignore them, but if there is something of interest to you then discuss it. It might just be that Mad`s experiences are helping other girls that have been treated the same way, and it`s them that I`m trying to get to, perhaps already am? Open your minds, there`s more than one approach to communication here, and to follow the observations one requires the source, in my view.
    Oh for cries sake why the hell can't you simply use the quote function like 99.99% of every other forum user on 99.99% of other forums?

    It's incredibly difficult to see where your opinion starts without having to go back a re-read 2-3 other posts!!

    What's the point quoting someone if users have to go back and re-read their original post anyway!

    Many other forums will send bans or warning for such confusing posts. At the very least, if you refuse point blank to use the quotation feature, for the love of god use correct grammar and use quotation marks!
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    Dan
    Just did, and explained why not prev. Unlike you, and the 99% of the extended yous I`m not system determined, I`m a philosopher, I only ever think for myself. - It`s not so difficult, you just like pretty colours. More information/more background does a better job as it takes one beyond the 20% communication with one person - Beyond that conversation more information is immediately required! I deliberately make it difficult/the whole idea is that there is additional reading done. They may not have read it, and in reading it twice more of its content sticks, but it really comes into its own when addressing the world. Quotation marks were not required. Those that visit, and there may be five hundred or more here at this moment, are here for content, not for a conversation. I`m 100% fine with your opinion, but also, I`m equally 100% fine with my own. The actual reality of the situation here is obviously totally unaware that either of us even exist. I don`t personally think that good grammar or spelling have any value here, only content. we are not writing a book, and careful spelling will never change the world.
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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    You've missed my point completely. You have to use other contexts in order to make a point, that is debate 101!
    I don`t know what your talking about, I require more information even to have the first clue. Sorry. Anybody reading this post shall have even less. Honestly, this is a rape debate, so what significance is this???
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    (Original post by Kates David)
    Dan
    Just did, and explained why not prev. Unlike you, and the 99% of the extended yous I`m not system determined, I`m a philosopher, I only ever think for myself. - It`s not so difficult, you just like pretty colours. More information/more background does a better job as it takes one beyond the 20% communication with one person - Beyond that conversation more information is immediately required! I deliberately make it difficult/the whole idea is that there is additional reading done. They may not have read it, and in reading it twice more of its content sticks, but it really comes into its own when addressing the world. Quotation marks were not required. Those that visit, and there may be five hundred or more here at this moment, are here for content, not for a conversation. I`m 100% fine with your opinion, but also, I`m equally 100% fine with my own. The actual reality of the situation here is obviously totally unaware that either of us even exist. I don`t personally think that good grammar or spelling have any value here, only content. we are not writing a book, and careful spelling will never change the world.
    Are you actually a troll?

    Because seriously, if you can't even format your own sentences and paragraphs in a way that is easy to read, and separate them from other peoples words, how the hell are you going to be able to write an essay, opinion piece, reference or even string your sentences together in general?

    It's not about being "system defined", it's about clearly communicating with other people, which is the whole damn point of language.

    Also in my whole time of studying philosophy I've never come across the idea of 'let's not write in a way that communicates clearly our idea's and actually make it harder for individuals to read, especially those with difficulties reading'.
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    It`s good you have an opinion, taking it that it is yours and not merely borrowed from elsewhere, but mine however differs entirely. I put human suffering first, I believe that the only thing that genuinely matters here is that we are in the business of providing those victims which visit us some of the support they require to mend. What has been your contribution?
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    You sir are the system without any mind beyond it. Do you even exist beyond that which you borrow? Only a genuine idiot would put exclamation marks with such passion above this debate, and therefore above human suffering. Yours is the last refuge for somebody utterly defeated in debate.. So desperate to win and to thus rebuild your ego, for all you have left to your name are exclamation marks. You resort to making up everything I`ve said/to putting your own slant on it. Human suffering is more important than your playing around with the order of words. This is all that you have to contribute here, and this is my last word on this matter. Don`t hog this forum with garbage. Yes, all your sentences can exist, meanwhile, communications have been just fine.
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    (Original post by Kates David)
    You sir are the system without any mind beyond it. Do you even exist beyond that which you borrow? Only a genuine idiot would put exclamation marks with such passion above this debate, and therefore above human suffering. Yours is the last refuge for somebody utterly defeated in debate.. So desperate to win and to thus rebuild your ego, for all you have left to your name are exclamation marks. You resort to making up everything I`ve said/to putting your own slant on it. Human suffering is more important than your playing around with the order of words. This is all that you have to contribute here, and this is my last word on this matter. Don`t hog this forum with garbage. Yes, all your sentences can exist, meanwhile, communications have been just fine.
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    Your the winner, well done.
    I apologize for this, please continue with the debate.
    To some of you that were following. I do appreciate that it`s idiots like us that think we have something to say more important than your suffering that on occasion add very significantly to it. As I have already mentioned, I have lost a good friend to this act, rape, she killed herself, and only because she could not face her father`s judgement. One of my lodgers Mad (Madison), she`s been there, and worse. I do genuinely understand, I understand because I have had to, I understand because short of that and she`d be dead. I share her suffering with her in order to reduce her emotional load.

    All this professional crap about no emotional involvement is hideously wrong. It is only through love that one can even think to get close enough, close enough to become them. Training should be first and foremost in love, developing the facet for the most superior form of love, there is controlled emotion here, strictly genuine, as a product of truly unconditional friendship. Controlled emotion is everything. They only truly experience your presence alongside there suffering when you become their suffering, when you become them. Girlkind must unify in this love each and every time there is occasion to. You are so much stronger together. To experience such love I had to train for it, and so may you.

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    (Original post by Kates David)
    Your the winner, well done.
    I apologize for this, please continue with the debate.
    To some of you that were following. I do appreciate that it`s idiots like us that think we have something to say more important than your suffering that on occasion add very significantly to it. As I have already mentioned, I have lost a good friend to this act, rape, she killed herself, and only because she could not face her father`s judgement. One of my lodgers Mad (Madison), she`s been there, and worse. I do genuinely understand, I understand because I have had to, I understand because short of that and she`d be dead. I share her suffering with her in order to reduce her emotional load.

    All this professional crap about no emotional involvement is hideously wrong. It is only through love that one can even think to get close enough, close enough to become them. Training should be first and foremost in love, developing the facet for the most superior form of love, there is controlled emotion here, strictly genuine, as a product of truly unconditional friendship. Controlled emotion is everything. They only truly experience your presence alongside there suffering when you become their suffering, when you become them. Girlkind must unify in this love each and every time there is occasion to. You are so much stronger together. To experience such love I had to train for it, and so may you.

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    (Original post by IAmNero)
    Your? YOUR? YOUR? Don't you mean YOU'RE
    Planted there as proof of your petty mind.

    Both for correct grammar and to make sense would be "Do you mean YOU`RE" Do n`t does actually mean what it says believe it or not, and this is when you are trying??. Also, do not is two words, trust me. Nobody but you cares. You are is also two words, not you`re, but you `re. Also, you do not put quote in brackets at the end just after you have already indicated that it is indeed a quote. You certainly never put it in brackets, neither should it ever be found at the end of a sentence, only ever the beginning, or in the middle. This is your interest, your hobby, not mine. I just feel that you should get a real alive life. It should read as follows. Did you mean "you `re"? The question mark being applied at the end, never the beginning, and this even if there are multiple questions. You should have applied the past tense. Further, it is only the inferior among us that rather than accepting that somebody here might have made a good point are prepared to resort to such petty minded activity as this. It is no wonder that nobody wishes to continue in this debate now.

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    (Original post by Kates David)
    Planted there as proof of your petty mind.

    Both for correct grammar and to make sense would be "Do you mean YOU`RE" Do n`t does actually mean what it says believe it or not, and this is when you are trying??. Also, do not is two words, trust me. Nobody but you cares. You are is also two words, not you`re, but you `re. Also, you do not put quote in brackets at the end just after you have already indicated that it is indeed a quote. Nothing you ever write is correct! This is your interest, your hobby, not mine. I just feel that you should get a real alive life. It should read as follows. Did you mean "you `re"? The question mark being applied at the end, never the beginning, and this even if there are multiple questions. Finally, you should have applied the past tense, ideally.

    I have the current spring bar bending world record, and it is shortly to go up on You Tube.
    I`ll be taking a weekly slot there - "Protocols For Real Age Reversal"
    Nothing is known for certain of any individual merely on account the passage of time, and this even extends to include their age, their real/biological age. Not borrowed!

    We could discuss how to deter rapists? -- I came up with a system years back but my partner in the venture let me down.

    What, zero followers?!! - Blimey, this place is tough.
    :facepalm:

    You do realise that you hold a very very unpopular opinion, how are you meant to get followers?
 
 
 
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