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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    So no actual proof just what some 17 year old said
    The irony in your reply
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    The irony in your reply
    You basically said you don't listen to some people on the issue and claim it is only people who know, if you ignore people how do you know you aren't being fed lies?
    And she reckoned isn't a fact
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    So no actual proof just what some 17 year old said
    Yes, and when gathering such statistics they are based upon what people say as well. There were good reasons as to why reliable statistics did not exist at the time/were entirely non representative - Natural ability for understanding one`s own specie is not unobtainable, and it often takes you several steps beyond what at a particular time can be proven, if proof in this instance is even the right term, and I`d argue not. Again, secondhand information which we are supposed to simply accept..Heightened natural ability in communication both gave me the answers as to why the statistics were wrong then, and enabled me to know that this information passed on to me by this individual at the rock face could be depended upon. I have been shown to be right on both counts. Over information can actually hamper genuine insight, and Sociology, the study of, is the route to all evil. This is my voice, so don`t expect it to necessarily join you and your system, except of course by chance. I`m a philosopher first and foremost, and only interested in underlying truths.

    I totally agree with the above post!
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    (Original post by Kates David)
    Yes, and when gathering such statistics they are based upon what people say as well. There were good reasons as to why reliable statistics did not exist at the time/were entirely non representative - Natural ability for understanding one`s own specie is not unobtainable, and it often takes you several steps beyond what at a particular time can be proven, if proof in this instance is even the right term, and I`d argue not. Again, secondhand information which we are supposed to simply accept..Heightened natural ability in communication both gave me the answers as to why the statistics were wrong then, and enabled me to know that this information passed on to me by this individual at the rock face could be depended upon. I have been shown to be right on both counts. Over information can actually hamper genuine insight, and Sociology, the study of, is the route to all evil. This is my voice, so don`t expect it to necessarily join you and your system, except of course by chance. I`m a philosopher first and foremost, and only interested in underlying truths.
    I don't but also don't expect not to be questioned while using it
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    The irony in your reply
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    The irony in your reply
    What irony?

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    What irony?

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    The dismissive tone of the one liner reply. It's supposed to be part of 'rape culture' from the perspective of those that argue one exists.

    Not saying that I would judge there to be a rape culture or not based on individuals claims, but I wouldn't come to a conclusion without them either.
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    (Original post by leavingthecity)
    The dismissive tone of the one liner reply. It's supposed to be part of 'rape culture' from the perspective of those that argue one exists.

    Not saying that I would judge there to be a rape culture or not based on individuals claims, but I wouldn't come to a conclusion without them either.
    I think it is important to distinguish the difference between denying the real experiences of someone and what someone said on an anonymous forum to try and prove a point.

    "I read it on the Internet so it must be true."

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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    I think it is important to distinguish the difference between denying the real experiences of someone and what someone said on an anonymous forum to try and prove a point.

    "I read it on the Internet so it must be true."

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    It's not this individual account so much, just go and ask a group of women. Ask me! It's all valuable information in determining the state of things. All information should be scrutinised.
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    I think there is a rape culture.

    It is more pronounced in certain countries, often 3rd world, but it is still visible in the UK and similar nations.

    For me its the attitude we hold; girls wearing tight dresses, lots of make up, heels etc make some people say "she is asking for it". If I walked out of my house naked right now, I would not be asking for it, if I left my house in my Harry Potter cloak I would not be asking for it, if I wore a tight dress and heels, I would not be asking for it. The same goes the other way around for guys and how they dress, although I think very few people say when a male is raped "he was asking for it". I also would argue we have a lad culture that encourages the sexualisation and objectification of women, taking away respect and consequently making sexual assault normalised; so increasingly people don't understand that what they are doing is wrong. Again I am not attacking guys, I know this works both ways, and women can lack respect in the same way.

    I also think that when being in a relationship of some kind - whether exclusive, or open, or marriage or whatever - every sexual act must be consented by both parties. People can get taken advantage of because they've slept with someone before - that does not entitle someone to sleep with you again without permission. I think we are accustomed to not taking rape cases like this seriously: we see it as consensual.

    Even the fact women cannot walk alone at night, or the need to guard drinks, or having pepper spray and holding your phone when walking alone, or pulling your keys out of your bag ready to quickly open the door if someone attacks - all of these are things that many women do without even thinking. It is instinctive for me to hold my keys ready, or to call someone when I'm walking alone etc, all illustrate this rape culture we live in.

    Maybe what I'm describing is not a rape culture to you, but I see it as one.
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    (Original post by Han-)
    I think there is a rape culture.

    It is more pronounced in certain countries, often 3rd world, but it is still visible in the UK and similar nations.

    For me its the attitude we hold; girls wearing tight dresses, lots of make up, heels etc make some people say "she is asking for it". If I walked out of my house naked right now, I would not be asking for it, if I left my house in my Harry Potter cloak I would not be asking for it, if I wore a tight dress and heels, I would not be asking for it. The same goes the other way around for guys and how they dress, although I think very few people say when a male is raped "he was asking for it". I also would argue we have a lad culture that encourages the sexualisation and objectification of women, taking away respect and consequently making sexual assault normalised; so increasingly people don't understand that what they are doing is wrong. Again I am not attacking guys, I know this works both ways, and women can lack respect in the same way.

    I also think that when being in a relationship of some kind - whether exclusive, or open, or marriage or whatever - every sexual act must be consented by both parties. People can get taken advantage of because they've slept with someone before - that does not entitle someone to sleep with you again without permission. I think we are accustomed to not taking rape cases like this seriously: we see it as consensual.

    Even the fact women cannot walk alone at night, or the need to guard drinks, or having pepper spray and holding your phone when walking alone, or pulling your keys out of your bag ready to quickly open the door if someone attacks - all of these are things that many women do without even thinking. It is instinctive for me to hold my keys ready, or to call someone when I'm walking alone etc, all illustrate this rape culture we live in.

    Maybe what I'm describing is not a rape culture to you, but I see it as one.
    Culture implies the majority and the people who say "she was asking for it" aren't the majority they are scum.

    Nobody complains of men being sexualised.

    Sexual assault isn't normalised it is a rare occurrence.

    Not true we put these people in courts and people want them jailed (look at the Durham uni student case)

    Except women are less likely to be a victim of violent crime so maybe the reason they don't feel safe walking home alone is because of the people who say there is a rape culture
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Culture implies the majority and the people who say "she was asking for it" aren't the majority they are scum.

    Nobody complains of men being sexualised.

    Sexual assault isn't normalised it is a rare occurrence.

    Not true we put these people in courts and people want them jailed (look at the Durham uni student case)

    Except women are less likely to be a victim of violent crime so maybe the reason they don't feel safe walking home alone is because of the people who say there is a rape culture
    I understand where you are coming from - although I did try make it clear that men are also subject to sexualisation. Yes I can see that not many complain about this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    No maybe the majority don't think this, but there is definitely at times a more negative sense towards women that dress as such and get raped, rather than women who are pounced on in alleys for example.

    Do you really think sexual assault is a rare occurrence? Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word - "Sexual assault is a crime of power and control. The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim". (RAINN)

    Earlier this week I heard statistics on the radio that showed over 80% of women had been verbally sexually assaulted in a public place, whilst half of these were also inappropriately touched. It happens in clubs all the time; we are always getting our bums slapped or similar. Again this is not limited to women.

    Yes, we do have a good law system most of the time. I believe in the Durham uni case, he was not found guilty. Which is another example of rape culture - I think men get it really hard, theres always the risk of someone crying rape or sexual assault, and as a result men are put in vulnerable and unfair positions.

    I think women are worried about walking home because there is a real possible danger, rather than because of any other reason.
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    (Original post by Han-)
    I understand where you are coming from - although I did try make it clear that men are also subject to sexualisation. Yes I can see that not many complain about this, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    No maybe the majority don't think this, but there is definitely at times a more negative sense towards women that dress as such and get raped, rather than women who are pounced on in alleys for example.

    Do you really think sexual assault is a rare occurrence? Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word - "Sexual assault is a crime of power and control. The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim". (RAINN)

    Earlier this week I heard statistics on the radio that showed over 80% of women had been verbally sexually assaulted in a public place, whilst half of these were also inappropriately touched. It happens in clubs all the time; we are always getting our bums slapped or similar. Again this is not limited to women.

    Yes, we do have a good law system most of the time. I believe in the Durham uni case, he was not found guilty. Which is another example of rape culture - I think men get it really hard, theres always the risk of someone crying rape or sexual assault, and as a result men are put in vulnerable and unfair positions.

    I think women are worried about walking home because there is a real possible danger, rather than because of any other reason.
    There is a real possible danger anyone can be attacked and statistics show that it is mainly males in danger.

    I think the statistic you mentioned may have been this one http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ta...stom_click=rss

    I know the definition of sexual assault what I would suggest is you do not know the definition of culture "the way of ​life, ​especially the ​general ​customs and ​beliefs, of a ​particular ​group of ​people at a ​particular ​time"
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    There is a real possible danger anyone can be attacked and statistics show that it is mainly males in danger.

    I think the statistic you mentioned may have been this one http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ta...stom_click=rss

    I know the definition of sexual assault what I would suggest is you do not know the definition of culture "the way of ​life, ​especially the ​general ​customs and ​beliefs, of a ​particular ​group of ​people at a ​particular ​time"
    Yes I agree, there is definitely a real possible danger of people being attacked, and that men may also be in the most danger. This does not change my belief that women's fear of being sexually assaulted has resulted in the instinctive need to protect ourselves, be it with a phone ready to ring someone or pepper spray etc - this is what I see as rape culture.

    Thank you for your definition of culture Although I would like to point out that we are considering rape culture which is different - "it was designed to show the ways in which society blamed victims of sexual assault and normalized male sexual violence", of which I have been arguing.

    Interesting article, but not certain that is the right one!
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    (Original post by Han-)
    pepper spray etc
    Owning pepper spray is highly illegal and is classed as owning an illegal firearm.

    Good luck with that.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    Owning pepper spray is highly illegal and is classed as owning an illegal firearm.

    Good luck with that.
    I don't actually own any, but I didn't know it came under the firearms act - very interesting!

    By pepper spray I'm implying a protection method; for example I have a can of deodorant in my bag that has its obvious purpose but could always come in handy for self-defence.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I don't but also don't expect not to be questioned while using it
    I do expect to be questioned. We are only on something like twenty percent of full communication by this medium, so it is virtually impossible to second guess what`s on each others minds. Word combinations alone are only enough when writing in all the details of one`s emotions, environment, and thoughts.

    Once it was out that this girl had lived a life of sexual abuse all the other girls that had suffered similarly at the hand of men were drawn to her like a magnet. This is why her findings were so significant. These were the true statistics, and twenty years ahead of the experts.

    If you add to this girls experience just how many men would likely, the percentage, join in gang rapes if they knew that they would never have to answer for their crime, you do need to question whether in fact we are living in a rape culture here; in certain areas, within certain age ranges. Too many men tend to joining a mob in preference to standing alone, and too many men when they say that they love you actually mean that they love/serve themselves, ultimately, and if the coast is clear, this can include rape.

    Romantic love is more often than not concerned with self love, for beyond a certain order of emotion one`s feelings become more important than one`s partner. I always love with controlled emotion in order to attain a higher order of love. Love that rather than being the nearest thing to hate can never under any circumstances go there.

    It`s b... hard getting badges here!!!
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    (Original post by Han-)
    I don't actually own any, but I didn't know it came under the firearms act - very interesting!

    By pepper spray I'm implying a protection method; for example I have a can of deodorant in my bag that has its obvious purpose but could always come in handy for self-defence.
    You could still be done for the use of an offensive weapon, especially if you carry deodorant for the use of a self defense weapon among other things.
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    (Original post by Kates David)
    I do expect to be questioned. We are only on something like twenty percent of full communication by this medium, so it is virtually impossible to second guess what`s on each others minds. Word combinations alone are only enough when writing in all the details of one`s emotions, environment, and thoughts.

    Once it was out that this girl had lived a life of sexual abuse all the other girls that had suffered similarly at the hand of men were drawn to her like a magnet. This is why her findings were so significant. These were the true statistics, and twenty years ahead of the experts.

    If you add to this girls experience just how many men would likely, the percentage, join in gang rapes if they knew that they would never have to answer for their crime, you do need to question whether in fact we are living in a rape culture here; in certain areas, within certain age ranges. Too many men tend to joining a mob in preference to standing alone, and too many men when they say that they love you actually mean that they love/serve themselves, ultimately, and if the coast is clear, this can include rape.

    Romantic love is more often than not concerned with self love, for beyond a certain order of emotion one`s feelings become more important than one`s partner. I always love with controlled emotion in order to attain a higher order of love. Love that rather than being the nearest thing to hate can never under any circumstances go there.

    It`s b... hard getting badges here!!!
    I don't think as many men as you say would join in.

    It isn't just men who say things to serve themselves.

    Are you seriously suggesting a lot of men would rape if they would get away with it?
    I think if you are seriously suggesting that you should start talking to different people as if the men you talk to suggest they would do that you are talking to the wrong people.
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    (Original post by DiddyDec)
    You could still be done for the use of an offensive weapon, especially if you carry deodorant for the use of a self defense weapon among other things.
    Nope I carry it as stated for the intended purpose of using an deodorant. I am more than happy to be done for using an offensive weapon though if it means I defended myself, or at least tried to, from an attacker.
 
 
 
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