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    (Original post by BrianMcEgg)
    It's the thing the Internet does, make a controversial post everyone is carrying to nukes to fire at you whilst when you make a good point they pretend it was never made
    It's because most of them use the same recycled arguments that they've heard from one of their friends or a website they looked at in their bedroom at 1:00 am, so when they hear something original they don't know how to think.
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    (Original post by okey)
    It's because most of them use the same recycled arguments that they've heard from one of their friends or a website they looked at in their bedroom at 1:00 am, so when they hear something original they don't know how to think.
    Aka can't think for themselves, learned valuable lessons from making statements because I agree with someone, simply doesn't work when someone that thinks for themselves comes along with a lot of knowledge about the subject. Coincidentally this is pretty common when encountering over the top feminists - always happy to debate but you have to think for yourself!
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    (Original post by BrianMcEgg)
    Since this thread has been revived, although I genuinely no longer hold this opinion I have one question:

    Isn't ****boy as offensive as slut

    Both mean the same thing, right.?
    Yes, being called a ****boy is as offensive as being called a slut, after all they are both insults.

    I didn't answer as I thought it was a rhetorical question and agree with it, so didn't feel a need to reply.
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    (Original post by Laurenloops)
    Yes, being called a ****boy is as offensive as being called a slut, after all they are both insults.

    I didn't answer as I thought it was a rhetorical question and agree with it, so didn't feel a need to reply.
    Nah it was a genuine question, for future reference that's how I deal with situations like these so I'm reassured that I'm talking to the people that know what they're talking about(ironic considering the initial thread I know)
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Or, I can exercise extreme caution when having sex, continue to take my pill, make my partner use a condom and also know that the morning after pill or abortion are options, at least until such point as I can look to get my tubes tied by the NHS.

    Sex isn't just to have kids, sex can be quite fun, which is probably why most people have it. It's not a hobby, my hobbies are reading and writing blog posts and book reviews and working out and watching TV etc. Sex isn't even in the same category as these things.
    There are lots of things that can be just as much fun that don't require so many precautions ....

    Seriously I don't see the point, sex itself is a social construct of "fun" - you could have more fun doing something else that society does not consider "fun".... Why be dictated to by social norms? Especially since its pretty dangerous and time wasting.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    There are lots of things that can be just as much fun that don't require so many precautions ....

    Seriously I don't see the point, sex itself is a social construct of "fun" - you could have more fun doing something else that society does not consider "fun".... Why be dictated to by social norms? Especially since its pretty dangerous and time wasting.
    If I want to take those precautions, then that's my choice to do so.

    Skydiving is also dangerous and time wasting. Why should I follow this societal norm that says that I'm a slut if I do have sex, and avoid it?
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    There are lots of things that can be just as much fun that don't require so many precautions ....

    Seriously I don't see the point, sex itself is a social construct of "fun" - you could have more fun doing something else that society does not consider "fun".... Why be dictated to by social norms? Especially since its pretty dangerous and time wasting.
    We are biologically programmed to have sex, in the majority of the population there is an innate need to have sex. Sex brings pleasure. Pleasure is not a social construct, it's a really nice feeling.

    Going hiking or playing chess will not bring the same amount of pleasure to many people as sex will. There is a difference between having sex because you feel pressured to by society or by a person and having sex because you want to for your own pleasure. Having sex because you want to is not being dictated by social norms, having sex because you feel like you have to is.

    That's like saying 'Stop eating chocolate because most of the population likes chocolate and you could have more fun eating carrots because I love carrots and if you eat chocolate you are only eating it to fit in with society. Also, chocolate is dangerous as it is bad for your health, but why eat it anyway because I think it tastes gross and don't see the point of it'. See how ridiculous this sounds? The difference is, sex is good for your health.
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    (Original post by Laurenloops)
    We are biologically programmed to have sex, in the majority of the population there is an innate need to have sex. Sex brings pleasure. Pleasure is not a social construct, it's a really nice feeling.

    Going hiking or playing chess will not bring the same amount of pleasure to many people as sex will. There is a difference between having sex because you feel pressured to by society or by a person and having sex because you want to for your own pleasure. Having sex because you want to is not being dictated by social norms, having sex because you feel like you have to is.

    That's like saying 'Stop eating chocolate because most of the population likes chocolate and you could have more fun eating carrots because I love carrots and if you eat chocolate you are only eating it to fit in with society. Also, chocolate is dangerous as it is bad for your health, but why eat it anyway because I think it tastes gross and don't see the point of it'. See how ridiculous this sounds? The difference is, sex is good for your health.
    Not so, if you go back in history, a look at nearly all the old tales one thing stands out, "do not have sex when young" - go and see the world and DO THINGS before you settle down and have a sex life.

    The collective wisdom contained in Jason and the Argonauts, the bible stories, Taticus writing about the success of the Gemans, St Augustines Confession, Adam and Eve, all point to "do not give in to social norms or biology (if you must), and avoid sex until later in life".

    Or in literature:
    Chiron had told Jason that without the aid of Orpheus, the Argonauts would never be able to pass the Sirens—the same Sirens encountered by Odysseus in Homer's epic poemthe Odyssey. The Sirens lived on three small, rocky islands called Sirenum scopuli and sang beautiful songs that enticed sailors to come to them, which resulted in the crashing of their ship into the islands. When Orpheus heard their voices, he drew his lyre and played music that was more beautiful and louder, drowning out the Sirens' bewitching songs.
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    (Original post by lilavocado)
    I'm sorry but if I dress up and wear a crop top or something more 'revealing' then i don't do it for the attention. I do it because I want to wear that. I don't give a damn what others think. That doesn't mean I'm not "truly beautiful". Everyone is beautiful. I'm sorry I'm "ugly" because I have a mind for myself and I do things for myself.
    Don't kid yourself.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Not so, if you go back in history, a look at nearly all the old tales one thing stands out, "do not have sex when young" - go and see the world and DO THINGS before you settle down and have a sex life.

    The collective wisdom contained in Jason and the Argonauts, the bible stories, Taticus writing about the success of the Gemans, St Augustines Confession, Adam and Eve, all point to "do not give in to social norms or biology (if you must), and avoid sex until later in life".

    Or in literature:
    Chiron had told Jason that without the aid of Orpheus, the Argonauts would never be able to pass the Sirens—the same Sirens encountered by Odysseus in Homer's epic poemthe Odyssey. The Sirens lived on three small, rocky islands called Sirenum scopuli and sang beautiful songs that enticed sailors to come to them, which resulted in the crashing of their ship into the islands. When Orpheus heard their voices, he drew his lyre and played music that was more beautiful and louder, drowning out the Sirens' bewitching songs.
    Back when contraception wasn't reliable, this made sense.

    But basically I should listen to old societal norms as reflected in historical text, or new societal norms as reflected by current society...
    I'm gonna go with the one that assumes that as a grown ass woman, I can make my own decisions.
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    'Slut' is completely offensive as a word, you should be shamed for using such vulgarities against people who have no impact on your life.
    Using the word "slut" doesn't have any impact on anyone's life either though.
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    What determines these acts to be wrong?

    To this day, no one has been able to give me an answer to that question that can be applied to everyone and is completely objective.

    The behaviour some label as that of a "slut" is wrong in their opinion, not wrong in fact, which means when you're slut-shaming, you're merely trying to force your beliefs onto the lives of others. Unless it's your life, your beliefs are irrelevant.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    Using the word "slut" doesn't have any impact on anyone's life either though.
    It does when it is directed at someone with the intention of causing them psychological harm.

    I stand by everything I have said 100%
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    (Original post by JPO92)
    It does when it is directed at someone with the intention of causing them psychological harm.

    I stand by everything I have said 100%
    lol. Anyone can claim anything causes them "psychological harm".
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    lol. Anyone can claim anything causes them "psychological harm".
    So, what, you'd just rather laugh at them than avoid using a word that isn't necessary for general conversation?

    If someone has a psychological reaction to the word 'the' then there's a problem there that needs to be worked through. If someone has a psychological reaction to people literally unnecessarily insulting them with the express intention of wanting to cause psychological harm, maybe the people calling women 'sluts' need to take a look at their own behaviour.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    lol. Anyone can claim anything causes them "psychological harm".
    They can, but it's up to everyone to use good judgement on whether someone is fudging the system or telling the truth.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    So, what, you'd just rather laugh at them than avoid using a word that isn't necessary for general conversation?

    If someone has a psychological reaction to the word 'the' then there's a problem there that needs to be worked through. If someone has a psychological reaction to people literally unnecessarily insulting them with the express intention of wanting to cause psychological harm, maybe the people calling women 'sluts' need to take a look at their own behaviour.
    Free speech doesn't care about your feelings.

    If you can't handle it, then get out of the public arena.
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    The reason it is shamed is because if a woman sleeps around with loads of dudes and then gets pregnant, she might not know who the father is and will be pregnant and the father won't have the option to parent the child.

    I think the reason it isn't shameful for men is because they have no risk of being stuck with a child growing inside of them.

    However i think in the days of very effective contraception, it shouldn't be shamed so much as there's no risk involved, it's just people having fun.
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    (Original post by TheKian)
    The reason it is shamed is because if a woman sleeps around with loads of dudes and then gets pregnant, she might not know who the father is and will be pregnant and the father won't have the option to parent the child.

    I think the reason it isn't shameful for men is because they have no risk of being stuck with a child growing inside of them.

    However i think in the days of very effective contraception, it shouldn't be shamed so much as there's no risk involved, it's just people having fun.
    Its not fun. Any addict will tell you that they would rather not have the addiction.
    AA would advocate total abstinence.

    I would tend to agree, its better to just have sex with only the person you are married to or intend to marry.
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    (Original post by FredOrJohn)
    Its not fun. Any addict will tell you that they would rather not have the addiction.
    AA would advocate total abstinence.

    I would tend to agree, its better to just have sex with only the person you are married to or intend to marry.
    There's clearly more reasons to having sex than to have a child. Otherwise there would't be such a high market for contraception.
 
 
 
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